Maths Anyone Else Worried?

Undeadfred

fontdor wrote: »

I am so pissed literally. I just don't get this whole project math's thing seriously. And it is vital since if you don't pass it you fail your whole LC. All I can say is I wish it never existed.

Anyone else here worried? And I'm at ordinary level I feel so bad for the HL students here.

I'm very worried about the exam. Although i love maths, the new course is very difficult. I'm an A1 maths student, got 97% in my mocks, 100% in xmas, and even I am very anxious about the exam. I'll be very disappointed if i dont get the A1 but with having done the SEC sample papers, I wouldn't be suprised if i ended up getting the A2

Leaving Cert Student

David086 wrote: »

Anyone else think they should break up maths like they do with science and business from the JC? Would make it much more appealing and doable!

Yeah definitely, or at least put options in the current course! It is so broad it is ridiculous!

peekachoo

Undeadfred wrote: »

I'm very worried about the exam. Although i love maths, the new course is very difficult. I'm an A1 maths student, got 97% in my mocks, 100% in xmas, and even I am very anxious about the exam. I'll be very disappointed if i dont get the A1 but with having done the SEC sample papers, I wouldn't be suprised if i ended up getting the A2

only an a2? God you're a disgrace if you only get an a2 haha hang your head in shame


I'm praying for 40% :P

Bionicle

Leaving Cert Student wrote: »

I disagree. The old course wasn't very applicable for those who enjoy maths. This new course is a ot more inspiring. Personally, the question 5's and 6's on paper 1 are the reason I am considering studying maths next year! I find them fascinating.

I just don't think ordinary students are prepared to appreciate it like this because if they did, they would likely be in HL, in my opinion anyway!

I study maths in TCD and those question 5 and 6 are nothing like what you will be doing in college. They are quite straightforward.

Leaving Cert Student

Bionicle wrote: »

I study maths in TCD and those question 5 and 6 are nothing like what you will be doing in college. They are quite straightforward.

Oh right, cheers for the heads up! I'll do arts so...

Eurovisionmad

To be honest I feel much more sorry for Ordinary Level students, like if any higher level student gets cold feet at the last minute they can drop down to ordinary but if somebody in ordinary gets cold feet foundation isn't really an option if you want to go to University, I know a load of people like that who're getting good marks in other subjects but just cannot pass ordinary level maths!

Bionicle

Leaving Cert Student wrote: »

Oh right, cheers for the heads up! I'll do arts so...

No need for the sarcasm. I was just giving you an insight into college maths. It's nothing like q5 and q6 of a leaving exam.

teotihuacan

College Maths is mad craic altogether! Fourier transforms and spherical polar coordinates...NOM....The cartesian plane is so 17th Century. Sorry René, it's just gonna take far to long to solve for the hydrogen atom with your way mate. Chin up.

optimus125

Wow calm yourself, you are literally going to be given marks for writing anything down on the paper. So if you make an in any way half-decent attempt at the paper, you're going to - at the very least - pass.

chikatita

i failed the mocks (ordinary level) ive been going through the papers and there is literally nothing im able to do SOMEBODY HELP how am i gonna learn things in like a week? !! i just want 40% and i'l be happy!

aimzLc2

chikatita wrote: »

i failed the mocks (ordinary level) ive been going through the papers and there is literally nothing im able to do SOMEBODY HELP how am i gonna learn things in like a week? !! i just want 40% and i'l be happy!

Just keep checking the marking scheme after you try a question and try and learn the methods , keep practising! you will get attempt marks so give everything a try!!!

Jade.

chikatita wrote: »

i failed the mocks (ordinary level) ive been going through the papers and there is literally nothing im able to do SOMEBODY HELP how am i gonna learn things in like a week? !! i just want 40% and i'l be happy!

Maybe try going through your tables and familiarising yourself with the formulas you are given and know how to use them. If you have to right formula for the question you will make a good enough attempt at questions even if you don't know how to do them.

Don't panic yourself by looking through the papers and accepting you know nothing.

yournerd

What is the secret to doing well in the maths? Would love a B/C

Undeadfred

yournerd wrote: »

What is the secret to doing well in the maths? Would love a B/C

Know how to do every type of question

weirdspider

Undeadfred wrote: »

Know how to do every type of question

You absolutely do not need to know the method for every question on the paper for a B or C. Even for the A you don't. Besides there will almost certainly be some awkward project maths type question (robot arm...) that most students can't get their head around so the marking scheme will be adjusted for such questions. To know how to do every single question on a Project Maths paper would be nothing short of a miracle!

weirdspider

yournerd wrote: »

What is the secret to doing well in the maths? Would love a B/C

Just constantly doing the papers and learning the methods which can all be found online. You probably won't have time to do every single question between now and the exam so study Calculus really well as obviously thats guaranteed. Financial maths is highly likely to be on Paper 1 and complex numbers are in nearly all the sample papers so it should make an appearance.

Can't wait for this exam! B3 in the mock and our teacher set another 'mock' from the opposite mock company three weeks ago and I got a B1. Now if I can get that to an A2 I'd be happy!
For the ordinary level, I'd focus on P2 if you're looking to pass. It's 50% of the marks and a lot of the questions can be answered with the formulae. Also bring up your calculus (only differentiation at OL I believe) mark! It's 1/6th of the paper!

Undeadfred

weirdspider wrote: »

You absolutely do not need to know the method for every question on the paper for a B or C. Even for the A you don't. Besides there will almost certainly be some awkward project maths type question (robot arm...) that most students can't get their head around so the marking scheme will be adjusted for such questions. To know how to do every single question on a Project Maths paper would be nothing short of a miracle!

Ok maybe not for an B or C. You do though for the A

Twoandahalfmen

I just finished 5th year and find project maths much easier.
1st and 2nd year i was failing.
3rd year i was getting ds and low cs got a c in my JC
4th year i didnt bat an eyelid at it.
5th year high cs low bs and the odd D
maths teacher said i did really well in my summer test. holding out for an A

Leaving Cert Student

Twoandahalfmen wrote: »

I just finished 5th year and find project maths much easier.
1st and 2nd year i was failing.
3rd year i was getting ds and low cs got a c in my JC
4th year i didnt bat an eyelid at it.
5th year high cs low bs and the odd D
maths teacher said i did really well in my summer test. holding out for an A

Wow I mustn't be a psychopath because this actually made me smile man! So nice to hear someone improving like that

Bonbon1995

Eurovisionmad wrote: »

To be honest I feel much more sorry for Ordinary Level students, like if any higher level student gets cold feet at the last minute they can drop down to ordinary but if somebody in ordinary gets cold feet foundation isn't really an option if you want to go to University, I know a load of people like that who're getting good marks in other subjects but just cannot pass ordinary level maths!

This is me! Im average to good at most things but keep failing maths..teacher asked me did I want to do foundation a few days aho..jadbfdkjdf BITCH PLEASE he almost got a fookin punch.

Bonbon1995

chikatita wrote: »

i failed the mocks (ordinary level) ive been going through the papers and there is literally nothing im able to do SOMEBODY HELP how am i gonna learn things in like a week? !! i just want 40% and i'l be happy!

Here here..26% ..hang my head in shame.

weirdspider

Undeadfred wrote: »

Ok maybe not for an B or C. You do though for the A

As I've stated above not necessarily. My teacher had people last year getting As who couldn't do most of the robot arm question yet they still managed A2s and A1s respectively as the marking scheme is adjusted for such questions. So no, you don't need to know how to do every single question to get an A, just 85%+ of the questions.

Copper_pipe

The marks for the long questions are usually loaded to the front,

The part A for the Robot arm was worth 45/50 I think

weirdspider

Copper_pipe wrote: »

The marks for the long questions are usually loaded to the front,

The part A for the Robot arm was worth 45/50 I think

Yes but the majority of marks went for the parts that most got correct.

Parawhore.xD

Copper_pipe wrote: »

The marks for the long questions are usually loaded to the front,

The part A for the Robot arm was worth 45/50 I think

55/75 and the last bit where you drew the area the arm could occupy was another 10 marks but you were getting high attempt for very little!

Copper_pipe

And that part A wasn't too bad either

Parawhore.xD

Copper_pipe wrote: »

And that part A wasn't too bad either

Not at all, pure Pythagoras and use of Sin/Cosine. My maths teacher reckons they won't be able to put anything that bad onto the paper again she was horrified by it, but that there'll be some other twists obviously.

Undeadfred

weirdspider wrote: »

As I've stated above not necessarily. My teacher had people last year getting As who couldn't do most of the robot arm question yet they still managed A2s and A1s respectively as the marking scheme is adjusted for such questions. So no, you don't need to know how to do every single question to get an A, just 85%+ of the questions.

If you're going for the A1 like I am you can't rely on the marking scheme being changed

11Charlie11

Twoandahalfmen wrote: »

I just finished 5th year and find project maths much easier.
1st and 2nd year i was failing.
3rd year i was getting ds and low cs got a c in my JC
4th year i didnt bat an eyelid at it.
5th year high cs low bs and the odd D
maths teacher said i did really well in my summer test. holding out for an A

Do you mind me asking are you from another planet or something? :P seriously an A?! What topics have ye covered?

I'm the opposite I love jc maths!

weirdspider

Undeadfred wrote: »

If you're going for the A1 like I am you can't rely on the marking scheme being changed

If the questions are becoming less and less predictable and the methods less familiar then you can't be absolutely banking on an A1 either. This isn't a dig at your intelligence, you very well may get it and fair play if you do! But you can't be certain until you see the papers next week.

Undeadfred

weirdspider wrote: »

If the questions are becoming less and less predictable and the methods less familiar then you can't be absolutely banking on an A1 either. This isn't a dig at your intelligence, you very well may get it and fair play if you do! But you can't be certain until you see the papers next week.

That's exactly why I'm here. I'm worried about not getting the A1.

Twoandahalfmen

11Charlie11 wrote: »

Do you mind me asking are you from another planet or something? :P seriously an A?! What topics have ye covered?

I'm the opposite I love jc maths!

Every chapter from active maths 3 book 1.
Have another book to do in 6th year.

Haha I just find it much easier. Most people in my class hasn't a clue. I was like that then it just clicked.

Leaving Cert Student

Undeadfred wrote: »

That's exactly why I'm here. I'm worried about not getting the A1.

Theres a bell curve, if you're better than 95% at maths, I think you should get it?

Undeadfred

Leaving Cert Student wrote: »

Theres a bell curve, if you're better than 95% at maths, I think you should get it?

This made no sense to me haha, ready for English?

Leaving Cert Student

Undeadfred wrote: »

This made no sense to me haha, ready for English?

Yeah pretty well prepared now, yourself?

Daniel7740

I was worried bout maths till I made de big decision to drop back to ol

N64

I don't know if my maths class is a good representative of 6th year OL maths classes throughout the country - but the standard of maths is shocking. Only 4 students out of 22 managed to pass the mock exam - and that with one question of the paper being excluded (since we did not cover it yet)

Vito Corleone

Yeah, a lot of people failed in my school's pass class as well.

Could anyone give me a list of the stuff that can be "learned off" for HL maths (theorems etc...). Thanks, in advance.

David086

23 Out of about 80 people only passed OL Maths in my school...

N64

we have two other OL maths classes in my school and it was the same story with them as well

If one thing comes about this - it shows that the "well educated workforce" the government like to promote Ireland as having is a total myth. I remember talking to one person working in the science industry who stated that the standard of Math and science Irish secondary school students have is shocking as well - being lower of that of our European peers.

I wonder where it all went wrong? Ireland has a good history of scientists and mathematicians in the 1800's - early 1900's period!

Perhaps I should concentrate on my own Leaving cert first though

Bonbon1995

they surely cant fail us all? people who did pass for the jc in my school all failed pass maths in the mocks..only the jc honours passed cause they have it done..and to top it off WE ARE ONE OUT OF 24 SCHOOLS TAKING ALL 5 STRANDS.. eg PILOT SCHOOL ughhhhhhh

woopah92

Are people serious about nearly everyone failing? We have 2 higher level maths classes in my school and I think only about 5 or 6 people failed overall. (Out of about 48ish people) And we had another maths paper 2 mock about two weeks ago and nobody failed.

Bonbon1995

woopah92 wrote: »

Are people serious about nearly everyone failing? We have 2 higher level maths classes in my school and I think only about 5 or 6 people failed overall. (Out of about 48ish people) And we had another maths paper 2 mock about two weeks ago and nobody failed.

well youre obv gonna be in honours if youre good not sh1t..people are in pass for a reason:L

shawnanana

Got 43% in the mocks in HL and oh my god it was the happiest day of my life when my teacher gave back the results hahaha
Gonna admit it, I'm just one of them people looking to scrape a pass for those beautiful 25 extra points!
D3 is all I want... PLEASE GOD, PLEASE!

Undeadfred

Vito Corleone wrote: »

Yeah, a lot of people failed in my school's pass class as well.

Could anyone give me a list of the stuff that can be "learned off" for HL maths (theorems etc...). Thanks, in advance.

Theorems 11, 12 and 13, you need to know the rest and be able to apply them.

Constructions 1-22

some definitions ie. and axiom, corollary, proof by contradiction

Statistical terms ie. what is a z-score? (came up on my mock), you need to know about sampling as well various other bits a piecies. Treat the statistics chaper like a science chapter.

Proofs of the addition rule, product rule, quotient rule and differentiation rule

Think thats it, but i may have forgotten something

Luize

shawnanana wrote: »

Got 43% in the mocks in HL and oh my god it was the happiest day of my life when my teacher gave back the results hahaha
Gonna admit it, I'm just one of them people looking to scrape a pass for those beautiful 25 extra points!
D3 is all I want... PLEASE GOD, PLEASE!

I'm the exact same! I just want those 25 points!! Except I failed my mock what are you doing to prepare for it? I'm actually so scared for it omg

Undeadfred

Undeadfred wrote: »

Theorems 11, 12 and 13, you need to know the rest and be able to apply them.

Constructions 1-22

some definitions ie. and axiom, corollary, proof by contradiction

Statistical terms ie. what is a z-score? (came up on my mock), you need to know about sampling as well various other bits a piecies. Treat the statistics chaper like a science chapter.

Proofs of the addition rule, product rule, quotient rule and differentiation rule

Think thats it, but i may have forgotten something

Proof of DeMoivre's theorem. Proof of sin rule and cosine rule.

suitcasepink

shawnanana wrote: »

Got 43% in the mocks in HL and oh my god it was the happiest day of my life when my teacher gave back the results hahaha
Gonna admit it, I'm just one of them people looking to scrape a pass for those beautiful 25 extra points!
D3 is all I want... PLEASE GOD, PLEASE!

Luize wrote: »

I'm the exact same! I just want those 25 points!! Except I failed my mock what are you doing to prepare for it? I'm actually so scared for it omg

Can I join your club? I try focus on the questions then on the marking scheme jsut to really identify what Im to do.. Coz I can normally(well sometimes) do the actual maths once I know whats wanted, which is obvz the hardest part.
Most of the time though I just rock in foetal position wondering what am I doing with my life

Leaving Cert Student

deise_girl wrote: »

Can I join your club? I try focus on the questions then on the marking scheme jsut to really identify what Im to do.. Coz I can normally(well sometimes) do the actual maths once I know whats wanted, which is obvz the hardest part.
Most of the time though I just rock in foetal position wondering what am I doing with my life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBnd36bIV0o