Random Wrasslin' thoughts.....

beakerjoe

On a new random thought, Breeze and Fandango have the makings of a solid tag team. Both seem hungry, they are both very talented and charismatic guys and they seem to have good in-ring chemistry from the small bits of wrestling Ive seen them together. I wish they would be a more heelish tag team and taken more seriously as they would add depth to a very poor division on SD outside of the Usos and American Alpha.

leggo

beakerjoe wrote: »

WCW were going no where fast in 93, but then big cheques to Hogan, Savage, Nash, Hall and others turned the tide. They literally took all the household names from WWE bar Bret, Taker and Shawn and put them on their show and with shows in a big Disney studio, to the casual viewer, it was the same names on a similar show.

If someone did the same with WWE now, signed up their star names in similar fashion it could work. If Cena, Rollins, Owens, Ziggler and AJ Styles others suddenly jumped ship and turned up on Impact, people would watch.

Yeah agreed, but then again that can just turn into an expensive mess too, as it did when TNA tried it before! The right creative vision has to be there to capture people or else you're probably better off spending no money and trying to build from the ground up. The investments have to be smart and have a solid basis behind them, not just splashing the cash hoping the fill a hole by proxy. In WCW, it was the fact that the high profile stars were part of a bigger story (the nWo) that resonated with the audience that made it impactful.

The McGregor example was probably a bad one on my part, as that involves just cutting a cheque (when spending for the sake of it isn't the answer either), but I meant him more in terms of the kind of personality in 2016 that can grab people's eyes.

beakerjoe

leggo wrote: »

Yeah agreed, but then again that can just turn into an expensive mess too, as it did when TNA tried it before! The right creative vision has to be there to capture people or else you're probably better off spending no money and trying to build from the ground up. The investments have to be smart and have a solid basis behind them, not just splashing the cash hoping the fill a hole by proxy. In WCW, it was the fact that the high profile stars were part of a bigger story (the nWo) that resonated with the audience that made it impactful.

The McGregor example was probably a bad one on my part, as that involves just cutting a cheque (when spending for the sake of it isn't the answer either), but I meant him more in terms of the kind of personality in 2016 that can grab people's eyes.

Sure WCW bringing in the big names worked at first but long term those big names corrupted the show by 99 and ultimately played a huge part in the companys downfall creatively and financially in the end.

leggo

beakerjoe wrote: »

Sure WCW bringing in the big names worked at first but long term those big names corrupted the show by 99 and ultimately played a huge part in the companys downfall creatively and financially in the end.

Yeah exactly, it's tough like. To even attract big name talent you have to offer them something WWE aren't and can't, back then it was guaranteed money and creative control, and that's what ended up killing it! TNA offered decent money and a lighter schedule, but then the talent that attracted was the talent that, turns out, we could live without! (If a surefire Hall of Famer in Kurt Angle didn't move the needle, nobody would) And the costs they racked up then trying to frantically build a competitor are what left them in a hole they probably won't be able to climb out of.

That's why I think it's gotta be from the ground up (and this is the generation for that where things can explode overnight thanks to the Internet) or someone outside of the box like McGregor.

But the problem there is I don't think there's anyone in wrestling, behind-the-scenes, who we haven't seen exhausted creatively at this stage. We know what everyone influential is offering sadly! So you need a Russo-like figure with fresh, outside-of-the-box thinking working with a once in a generational talent. Like look at how adding a dash of Robert Rodriguez made Lucha Underground so unique and interesting.

It's tough but not impossible. And like I said in my first post on this, the frustrating thing is that it comes down to inspiration, a lightbulb moment, and isn't something you can really plan for. The right person in the right place at the right time with the right idea and the right people around them.

I think wrestling (and fans) in general could do a better job, though, at understanding that if something big were to come it wouldn't be in this guise of "wrestling is what matters!" because it really doesn't. It's the other stuff sadly.

Chip Whitley

beakerjoe wrote: »

On a new random thought, Breeze and Fandango have the makings of a solid tag team. Both seem hungry, they are both very talented and charismatic guys and they seem to have good in-ring chemistry from the small bits of wrestling Ive seen them together. I wish they would be a more heelish tag team and taken more seriously as they would add depth to a very poor division on SD outside of the Usos and American Alpha.

I totally agree! I said a while back here that they should do a male model gimmick and be like Derek and Hansel in Zoolander but they've gone the fashion police route which I like and is working for them too. Would like to see more backstage stuff with them and a proper storyline.

Angron

I think the most depressing thing about being a wrestling fan for a long period of time is looking back at wrestling shows from when you were younger and just sort of getting into it, and realising how many of the people from those shows are dead now. Going through the Wrestlemanias now, and it's a bit grim at points.

jaykhunter

Angron wrote: »

I think the most depressing thing about being a wrestling fan for a long period of time is realising how many of the people from those shows are dead now. Going through the Wrestlemanias now, and it's a bit grim at points.

Yep For better or worse it's kinda numbed me towards wrestlers dying. I expect them to die young as it's the nature of the beast. So when Macho Man died I was more 'hey, at least he made it to 58, re-married etc'
Sad statistic but at WMVI (1990) 14 have passed: Andre The Giant, Bad News Brown, Big Boss Man, Dino Bravo, Dusty Rhodes, Earthquake, Hercules, Mr. Perfect, Randy Savage, Rick Rude, Roddy Piper, Sapphire, Sensational Sherri, The Ultimate Warrior. This doesn't include announcers, refs or valets (eg Monsoon, Joey Marella, Liz etc)

PTH2009

WWE in 2026 I wonder what it will be like ???

The ages of 'sum stars of 2016' in 2026

Seth Rollins (40)
Kevin Owens (42)
Roman Reigns (41)
Finn Balor (45)
Charlotte (40)
Chris Jericho (56)
Brock Lesner (49)

Dean Ambrose (40)
Aj Styles (49)
John Cena (49)
Randy Orton (46)
Becky Lynch (39)
Undertaker (61)
The Miz (46)

Bobby Roode (49)
Samoa Joe (47)
Shinsuke Nakamura (46)
Austin Aries (48)

Vince (81)
Triple H (57)
Steph (50)
Shane (56)
Mick Foley (61)
Daniel Bryan (45)

Itssoeasy

Angron wrote: »

I think the most depressing thing about being a wrestling fan for a long period of time is looking back at wrestling shows from when you were younger and just sort of getting into it, and realising how many of the people from those shows are dead now. Going through the Wrestlemanias now, and it's a bit grim at points.

Yeah some of the early wrestlemanias are a bit depressing when you look at the talent that have died since the events. I mean even the more recent events are a bit depressing but as a wrestling fan I've accepted it's one of the unpleasant aspects of the business.

Chain Smoker

Wrestling has a remarkably wide reach compared to most other forms of entertainment that kind of makes it an amazing way of observing the public at large. The mixture of how pure the drama is in conjunction with the somewhat democratic nature of how it pans out. It's also considered to be such low culture that I feel like audiences are far less concerned about how they carry themselves.


I dunno.. I feel like anyone who can go out and win over a wrestling audience, provided they're not unhinged, should have one eye on a political career.

Neil3030

England rugby seems to have adopted the fireflies gimmick. Crowd had their phone lights out there during a penalty.

ShagNastii

Having a good look on WWE shop for some possible Christmas gifts. So much cheaper than it used to be.

For the life of me I can't figure out whether this/these jackets are the greatest thing I've ever seen or the most rancid. They have a few Razor Ramon, Bret Hart and Ted Dibiase

http://shop.wwe.com/ric-flair-vintage-jacket/W11403.html?dwvar_W11403_color=No%20Color

Agent Coulson

Lana lifesize cutout for €13 is in the clearance sale.


To buy or not to buy.

martyos121

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Lana lifesize cutout for €13 is in the clearance sale.


To buy or not to buy.

Don't do it! Rusev is the only man that can have her!

Pentecost

ShagNastii wrote: »

Having a good look on WWE shop for some possible Christmas gifts. So much cheaper than it used to be.

For the life of me I can't figure out whether this/these jackets are the greatest thing I've ever seen or the most rancid. They have a few Razor Ramon, Bret Hart and Ted Dibiase

http://shop.wwe.com/ric-flair-vintage-jacket/W11403.html?dwvar_W11403_color=No%20Color

Imagine wearing one of those in public.

Lana cut out sure looks alluring but I think that would come across as just a little obsessive!

Lithium93_

Team Hell No & Ryback vs. The Shield from TLC 2012 is available free on WWE's YouTube channel

Bounty Hunter

Anyone think a Anyone think Kane (with decent writing) could pull off a character shift like JBL did going from APA to JBL except more politician than rich guy investor though.

Seeing him in the below videos opened my eyes of him a bit (even though I had heard about his political leanings before) If they had him as an IC champ on SD trying to get peoples votes on Miz Tv as the Miz feuds with him people would buy into it because it is actually real Kane while Corporate Kane for example was just a watered / neutered version of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmuyjWW70wk

brianregan09

I think Joey Ryan that penis grabbing Indy guy is an absolute walking cringe fest makes me want to claw my eyes out and be embarrassed for being a pro wrestling fan

gerrybbadd

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Lana lifesize cutout for €13 is in the clearance sale.


To buy or not to buy.

Matchka

Itssoeasy

brianregan09 wrote: »

I think Joey Ryan that penis grabbing Indy guy is an absolute walking cringe fest makes me want to claw my eyes out and be embarrassed for being a pro wrestling fan

Yeah he's not on Jim Cornettes Christmas card list at all. Jim described a clip he saw of a guy wrestling a girl and guy performing a buckle bomb type move but not throwing her far enough and her head hits the turnbuckles. It sounded horrific. I'm not a fan of mixed wrestling at all.

cian68

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I'm not a fan of mixed wrestling at all.

Videos of not particularly good or well known wrestlers in intergender matches all do giant numbers on youtube, entirely because of creeps. Apparently the promoters know the views are coming from countries where porn is illegal. Heard that on Voices Of Wrestling once anyway and just believed it forever.

eh i dunno

Didn't know xtra vision was still business never mind that they sold wwe dvds http://www.xtra-vision.ie/Catalog/Search?sortDirection=asc&sortExpression=price&page=1&pageSize=20&term=Wwe

jaykhunter

cian68 wrote: »

Videos of not particularly good or well known wrestlers in intergender matches all do giant numbers on youtube, entirely because of creeps.

Ha ha ha! Gave me a good laugh

LeeJM

jaykhunter wrote: »

cian68 wrote: »

Videos of not particularly good or well known wrestlers in intergender matches all do giant numbers on youtube, entirely because of creeps.

Ha ha ha! Gave me a good laugh

Am I missing something? What about that is funny?

jaykhunter

The sentence ending in blasé insult caught me off guard. No need to pick up the torches mate.

LeeJM

No torches blazing here just thought I was missing something obvious.

beakerjoe

No torch burning..... what will we do now..... oh I lnow lets go to the old mill and get cider.

Omackeral

Said this on the TLC thread after Castor Troy brought the point up. There's literally no difference between a TLC match and a ladder match. You can use tables and chairs in regular ladder matches too. I've maintained that to be eligible to grab the belt you should first have to hit your opponent with a chair and also put him through a table.

Angron

Omackeral wrote: »

Said this on the TLC thread after Castor Troy brought the point up. There's literally no difference between a TLC match and a ladder match. You can use tables and chairs in regular ladder matches too. I've maintained that to be eligible to grab the belt you should first have to hit your opponent with a chair and also put him through a table.

It's sort of like how there's no difference between a street fight, hardcore, no-DQ, and No Holds Barred matches. Though I do love when wrestlers show up for street fight matches in their regular clothes, like Punk vs Jericho a few years ago.

I think in the games though with a TLC match you won by pin or submission (or at least that's how it used to be, dunno if they changed it since I last played one)

Snakeweasel

Angron wrote: »

It's sort of like how there's no difference between a street fight, hardcore, no-DQ, and No Holds Barred matches.

Isn't a hardcore match falls count anywhere? Also, ladder matches and TLC matches are very similar but when they started the only weapon I remember being used in a ladder match was the ladder, so it did make the TLC match seem different when they started