Random Wrasslin' thoughts.....

DM_7

I can understand how a samoan spike might hurt or a mandible claw

But moves like Peoples Elbow, 5 Knuckle Shuffle, The Cobra & The Worm always bugged me.

demanufactured

Riddle101 wrote: »

Yeah I know what you mean, some wrestling moves just look too silly for their own good. Although the Stunner still looks cool. But moves like the Samoan Spike or the Overdrive really get to me.

The people's elbow... Ffs
John cenas fireman's carry slam... Awful finisher... A powerslam would be more effective and realistic looking

demanufactured

Finishers should look believable.
Goldberg Spear and jackhammer looked legit.. Like he just killed his opponents.

Insect Overlord

DM_7 wrote: »

But moves like Peoples Elbow, 5 Knuckle Shuffle, The Cobra & The Worm always bugged me.

There's a bundle of nerves at the bottom of the throat (just between the two collar bones) and getting a jab there can most definitely floor you.
A few of the lads in my old jujitsu club figured out a few pressure-points and nerve holds, and a pinch there out of the blue was one of their dirtiest tricks!

gerrybbadd

When Austin first started to do the Stunner, it looked class. Agree about most finishes though. I think the worst of the lot is Cena's STF. The man is totally incapable of actually cranking back to make it look any ways painful.

ShaneU

Piledrivers and clotheslines always looked painful and they're both banned now :rolleyes:

Cena is terrible at selling moves, not just the stf....Orton gave him an RKO at Heck in a Box, he landed on his hands and his head was a foot away from the mat. Also did anyone notice Cesaro's elbow drops that were a mile away from Ziggler? You know it's bad when they switch camera

Insect Overlord

ShaneU wrote: »

Cena is terrible at selling moves, not just the stf....Orton gave him an RKO at Heck in a Box, he landed on his hands and his head was a foot away from the mat

Ah, he has his moments. He's been making Kane's choke-slams look unreal recently. Check the DDT he took on Monday night too.

demanufactured

Not a whole lot of love for Cena around here lol..
And rightly deserved... He is terrible.... Very charismatic.. But that's where it ends...
He's the hogan / rock of the current generation.

I barely watch these days... I look in from time to time.. I did watch wm30.. Enjoyed it a lot.

Theres no one that really stands out to me in wwe these days.

CastorTroy

ShaneU wrote: »

Piledrivers and clotheslines always looked painful and they're both banned now :rolleyes:

Clotheslines are banned? I know Ryback still does the meathook clothesline.

Hogan's leg drop isn't exactly the most believable finisher and Punk's GTS. As for Cena's FU, I always wondered how a move that has less impact than a backdrop can finish someone

DM_7

An File wrote: »

There's a bundle of nerves at the bottom of the throat (just between the two collar bones) and getting a jab there can most definitely floor you.
A few of the lads in my old jujitsu club figured out a few pressure-points and nerve holds, and a pinch there out of the blue was one of their dirtiest tricks!

He regularly tapped people on the face though! It was awful.

I liked the samoan spike as Umaga always went for the neck.

demanufactured

For me the glory days of wrestling were when WCW was beating WWF.
The nWo.. Sting.. Goldberg... The cruiserweight division... Every Friday night I'd bring home a few cans and order in a Chinese and watch nitro.

WWF had great stuff going on too... Kane vs undertaker... Stone cold.... Dx...
The golden era.

rovert

Back in my day

orestes

demanufactured wrote: »

Not a whole lot of love for Cena around here lol..
And rightly deserved... He is terrible.... Very charismatic.. But that's where it ends...
He's the hogan / rock of the current generation.

I barely watch these days... I look in from time to time.. I did watch wm30.. Enjoyed it a lot.

Theres no one that really stands out to me in wwe these days.

He's not Bret Hart, but anybody who still thinks that Cena is terrible at this point is just completely ignoring the amount of very good - excellent matches the guy has been involved in. Not liking the guy/gimmick/PG-era/5 of doom/Cenawinslol and all that stuff is different to him being able to put on a good match.

Ageyev

Bret Hart had his own five moves of doom and was often protected in how he was. Just fwiw.

J. Marston

Speaking of believable moves in wrestling. The double foot stomp...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtdrwDfAPi4

It's always struck me as the most painful wrestling move to be on the end of.

Omackeral

ShaneU wrote: »

Piledrivers and clotheslines always looked painful and they're both banned now :rolleyes:

Cena is terrible at selling moves, not just the stf....Orton gave him an RKO at Heck in a Box, he landed on his hands and his head was a foot away from the mat. Also did anyone notice Cesaro's elbow drops that were a mile away from Ziggler? You know it's bad when they switch camera

You, sir, have made my weekend.

DarByrne1980

orestes wrote: »

He's not Bret Hart, but anybody who still thinks that Cena is terrible at this point is just completely ignoring the amount of very good - excellent matches the guy has been involved in. Not liking the guy/gimmick/PG-era/5 of doom/Cenawinslol and all that stuff is different to him being able to put on a good match.

IM IN the same boat as you. I hate the whole cena world crap. BUt in fairness to the guy he has some durability to keep goin for like 10 or 15 years now. And he has fair technique and strength. I kinda liked cena up to the point of the 2006 ECW ppv One Night Stand with RVD vs Cena when one lad in the audience had the 'if cena wins we riot' sign.
RVD was a bit of an eegit also.

ShagNastii

Miz and Mizdow reminds me so much of the relationship between Kenny Powers and Stevie Janouski from the series Eastbound and Down.

Makes me think it'd be great to see wrestlers/gimmicks cut from the same cloth as other characters from some successful TV or the movies.

Maybe not so much a complete tribute act akin to Burchill a few years back but like the above pairing- "shades for the characters".

Stereomaniac

Bray Wyatt should never be a babyface. I really am worried that a Steve Austin-esque tweak of character could take place.

leggo

Stereomaniac wrote: »

Bray Wyatt should never be a babyface. I really am worried that a Steve Austin-esque tweak of character could take place.

Yeah, I really don't get JR's whole 'character babyface' obsession with him. I don't see it at all. He does stuff that gets face reactions but that's simply because it's so catchy and different to anything anyone else is doing, the audience are reacting for the freshness rather than because they genuinely like the character and want to cheer him. If he was to start seeking cheers then it'd ruin everything cool about him.

At best he could make an ironic face, just a heel that they're okay with fans cheering and book as such, but I don't think WWE are clever and subtle enough to pull that off these days. Too many people throwing out too many ideas that the diluted end product lacks the nuance required.

Maybe down the line, when he's been around years, you could have him do his shtick and then have him wrestle like a Samoa Joe/Kevin Steen-like killer as a babyface. But you're cheering him then for the same reason people cheer Undertaker these days...and he's WAAAAAYY away from being in Taker's league.

rovert

Lucha Underground surprised and shocked me this week. Go into it unspoiled and enjoy it immensely.

srfc d16

rovert wrote: »

Lucha Underground surprised and shocked me this week. Go into it unspoiled and enjoy it immensely.

Where are you watching it?
I tried the El Rey website but it wont play for me.

BohsJohnny

srfc d16 wrote: »

Where are you watching it?
I tried the El Rey website but it wont play for me.

It's pretty easy to find on youtube and Dailymotion.

Endaaaagh

I watched it last night on Youtube. The first 2 matches were a bit meh, but the main event was class. Not too sure about the backstage segments yet though. Seem a bit "overproduced"

Agent Coulson

Looking forward to seeing more of Sexy Star as well

WinnyThePoo

Just watched it there. I have enjoyed both episodes. Nice and bit size.

token101

Puma is unbelievable & Big Rick will be good. Konnan is going to be a quality manager too & the vignettes are quality. Really like the Aztec warrior stuff, really cool.

Hate the mixed gender stuff, it's terrible & Matt Stryker trying to sell it is horrible. Vampiro is rubbish at commentary, he's like one of those really bad Acclaim games where commentators would just throw in random soundbytes at totally inappropriate times.

I also don't get why Chavo's whole career now seems to be dedicated to 'keeping Eddie's memory alive' nearly 10 years after the guy died? Can't he just have his own career without mentioning him every match? EDIT: I wrote this while watching the show!

Omackeral

A giant WTF...

Before I start telling the story, let me introduce myself. My name is Dexter, and I am currently playing football for the Coastal Carolina Chanticleers. Growing up, I was a huge fan of pro wrestling, and I was always begging my parents to let me stay up late to watch Monday Night RAW. Yes, I know wrestling is (mostly) fake, but I never really cared. I just wanted to see my favorite wrestler, Kane, chokeslam everyone from Stone Cold to Meat.

Recently, with classes and football games, I've had trouble keeping up with both RAW and SmackDown. The other thing was that I only had a low-to-moderate amount of money, so I can only watch two or three pay-per-views per year. I usually stick to watching my old WWF DVDs when I can.

Except for one.

Last May, I was walking around the campus when I passed by a pro wrestling store. I had passed by that same lot a few days ago, and it was unoccupied and still had the "For Rent" sign. Those must be some efficient workers, I thought to myself. Shrugging, I walked inside.

As soon as I walked in, a blast of air conditioning welcomed me. Thank god, too - South Carolina isn't exactly the coolest place in the country. Scanning the shelves, I spotted action figures, signed merch, and DVDs. I hopped over to the DVD shelf and went through it's contents. A couple WrestleManias, a Jeff Hardy one, and - a complete In Your House box set!

If you're not a wrestling fan, In Your House was a pay-per-view series that was held in the months the WWF didn't have a major PPV. Being from Memphis, I was able to go to the St. Valentine's Day Massacre event when I was eight. And it wasn't even nosebleed seats - I was four rows from the ring.

I snatched the box set, an Eddie Guerrero figure, and a Monster Energy from the vending machine, and put my loot on the counter. I expected the IYH collection to be worth a fortune, but nope! It was only twenty-five bucks. I didn't really think much of it, and I rode my skateboard back to my dorm.

When I got home, I popped the CD into my PlayStation 3. The menu came up, which was the IYH logo and a collection of shots from the events. There were four options - SELECT EVENT, RANDOM EVENT, OPTIONS, and EXTRAS. I checked out the options menu. It was nothing special - just languages, subtitles, display and all that junk.

I don't remember much from the extras menu - I saw a promo for WrestleMania 2000, though. (By the way, the DVD was apparently released in summer 1999.) I decided to get this show on the road, and went to SELECT EVENT. It took me to a list of In Your House PPVs, all twenty-eight of them.

I scrolled through, and sure enough, everything from the first IYH to Backlash was there. A part of my mind wanted me to go further for some reason, to see if there were any more options.

There were.

Right there on the screen was "29. ARMAGEDDON: IN YOUR HOUSE" clear as day. The title itself didn't really strike me as odd; there were IYH events that later became yearly PPVs, like Unforgiven. The first Armageddon was held in December 1999. But, still, twenty-nine? As far as my extensive knowledge went, there were only twenty-eight IYH shows.

I decided to select it. I was brought to another screen. The description said Armageddon took place on June 6, 1999 in Charleston, South Carolina. I selected the MATCH SELECT option. There were only two matches. The first was a twenty-man over the top rope battle royale, and the second was Kane vs. Mankind in an Inferno Match.

Saving the best for last, I chose the battle royale. Billy Gunn won, if you're one of the few who cares.

After that, I selected Kane vs. Mankind. Both of the wrestlers made their entrances, though I think Kane's music was a bit different. A lower pitch, maybe. When both were in the ring, the fire around the canvas was lit, and the match was underway.

As far as I remember, the match was pretty normal. Kane would get in a few hits, Mankind would get a few, and they'd both hit their finishers sometime during the match. I, myself, felt pretty successful. I had found a lost WWF event. Still, why would Mr. McMahon remove all traces of this from the promotion's history? I was about to find out.

Kane had been getting a ton of momentum, and he grabbed Mankind in a chokehold. Knowing full well what was coming next, I smiled like I was ten years old all over again. The Big Red Monster lifted Mankind up and tossed him into the flames. The bell rang, signaling Kane had won the match.

Then the screaming began.

Horrible, agonizing, ear-raping screaming that could only be described as a banshee's wail in reverse. The camera panned over to Mankind, and what I saw was terrifying.

Now, before I explain this scene, I'm rather immune to gore and disturbing imagery. I'm a dedicated /x/-phile, and I've written a few Creepypasta. But this... this was just above all of that.

Mankind was on fire. Standard end to an Inferno Match, right? That's how you win, after all. This was different. You could clearly see his skin melting off, showing muscle and even bone in some spots. His hair was singed. The lights in the arena turned off, but the flames still burned bright.

And this went on. And on. And on.

Finally, Jim Ross ran over with a fire extinguisher and sprayed Mankind. His charred body laid there, not moving an inch. Paramedics arrived and took him out of the arena. The television cut to black and took me back to the main menu.

Now, being a wrestling connoisseur, I had knowledge of what was legit and what was kayfabe. This was legit. There was no way, especially in 1999, that such a horrendous burning could be faked like that on live television. ****, I don't even think that's possible now.

I couldn't get the image of Mankind out of my brain. I hopped over to my computer and made a thread about it on /x/ as quick as I could. Only one person knew what I was talking about. He said that Mankind wasn't originally Mick Foley.

The character was portrayed by another, unknown wrestler who died after the Inferno Match. The PPV was never aired or referred to again, and Mick Foley was brought in to replace Mankind's original wrestler. Foley, however, had always been Cactus Jack and Dude Love. Mankind was called the third face of Foley because of the other wrestler's striking resemblance to Mick.

The next morning I went over to the wrestling store to ask the manager about the DVD. Surprisingly, the place was open on Memorial Day. The manager said he found the DVD on the black market, and thought it would be perfect for collectors.

I haven't touched that disc since.

mrkiscool2

It's a CreepyPasta (a story people make up to scare others). And it's a very poor one at that.

DM_7

To make a big deal of the Network I want the Rock to turn up as part of team Cena at Survivor Series.


Could lead to Rock v Triple H at Mania (as teased on Smackdown 15 anniversary)