double jobbing

iguy

Do you double job or know anyone that does,
What do you think of it, in our current situation when others without jobs are finding it hard to get jobs.
I ask because a friend of mine has been working in a local convenience store,
a pub/off licence opened recently and she applied for a job to work in the pub, a job which she got.
Now what happened was the local people got wind that she has two jobs and they
were giving out about, e.g. she has a job already and she should leave one and let someone else get the other one, this is a small village, 40 percent of the population is unemployed.
What do ye think?

Amirani

It's none of their business how many jobs she has.

Nothing wrong with it in my opinion.

Kichote

It depends. Its grand to have a 'handy little earner on the side' but feck this nonsense you see so common in the States that people actually need to have two fulltime jobs at the same time to get by and have a bit of money to spare and these people arent living lavish lives by any means its just things are that tough in places

Ruu

She might need both jobs to make ends meet. Good luck to her.

Barracuda1

She is dead right. I love to have a job working in retail or a hotel for a day or two a week even if it meant working evening or nights

Hownowcow

I admire her initiative.

Rasheed

Fair play to them in one way. As another poster said, they're hardly doing it for the craic, they probably need the money.

People who have retired taking agency/ subbing work used to piss me off but you never know peoples situations and what money they need or who they are supporting.

Kichote

Ruubot2 wrote: »

She might need both jobs to make ends meet. Good luck to her.

One shouldn't need two jobs to make ends meet. if this catches on then more jobs will be filled but the pool of unemployed people stays the same size.


Eventually it gets to the point where everyone needs to work 16 hours a day to get by.

Femme_Fatale

Kichote wrote: »

One shouldn't need two jobs to make ends meet.

Might be two part-time jobs though.

Barracuda1

Kichote wrote: »

One shouldn't need two jobs to make ends meet. if this catches on then more jobs will be filled but the pool of unemployed people stays the same size.


Eventually it gets to the point where everyone needs to work 16 hours a day to get by.

They do most households that are lucky to have two working need the money if they have to bring up kids. The cost of everything in Ireland is crazy. Since the new taxes have come in USC,property tax etc an income of 60k there is at least 80 eur per week more in taxes

Kichote

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Might be two part-time jobs though.

True. I dont see anything wrong with that. For full time jobs though it doesnt really make sense to have someone perfectly capable sitting on their arse doing nothing while some poor sap is flat out doing two jobs (and probably taxed to the hilt to pay for the nothing-doer's dole)

This is very common in the States. People need two jobs to get by. So they get the second job and things are grand for a while but the added stress and lack of sleep start to take their toll, then they end up burnt out and in bigger sh1t than they were before.

Scruffles

iguy wrote: »

Do you double job or know anyone that does,
What do you think of it, in our current situation when others without jobs are finding it hard to get jobs.
I ask because a friend of mine has been working in a local convenience store,
a pub/off licence opened recently and she applied for a job to work in the pub, a job which she got.
Now what happened was the local people got wind that she has two jobs and they
were giving out about, e.g. she has a job already and she should leave one and let someone else get the other one, this is a small village, 40 percent of the population is unemployed.
What do ye think?

mum did this when she still lived in ireland and also when she came over here because she only did cleaning jobs and these were mainly found on part time only so she didnt make enough with one job,the years she spent in that job has left her physicaly disabled and she ended up retiring early.

there is nothing wrong with it if its part time jobs,however if they were jobs that made enough money on their own then that woud be seen as socialy or moraly unaceptable for a community,as communities work by people pulling together not working against each other.

there are drawbacks to living in rural areas that people have to accept if they want to live there- of course there will be less jobs so they need to do something rural or drive outside to a place where there are jobs.
then there are drawbacks to city living,it sucks-its busy,smelly,noisy,theres a lot more restrictions on pets such as chickens and so on but there are more jobs.
one area will always get jobs in no matter what rececion comes up is disability and elderly services; look for support work in either-it might involve working in the persons own home, in a residential facility,in a day centre etc,all they usualy ask for is a interest in people and being the supportive non patronising type.

theres always cleaning jobs in busier areas, but a lot of people think theyre above that job.

FatherLen

It's beyond stupid how people feel they can complain about this. I saw a bumper sticker on a taxi that read 'double jobbers out'. I automatially assumed he was a moron.

Wompa1

HaHa Really!!? Gotta love Ireland, people would get pissed off at somebody for having an initiative and work ethic to work two jobs to afford the lifestyle they want. Recession or not, why should she feel bad for working two jobs. She was hired, most likely, because she was the best candidate. The people who moan should take the time spent moaning about her to look at themselves and question why they are not as good of a candidate for the job as she is.

JustAThought

Im assuming that s/he is paying tax on both jobs & not a welfare cheat?

I ce no issue with someone working 2 jobs ( seeing as you asked!) but from an employers point of view this makes them less flexible with hours, emergency cover, holiday availability etc. if there was a pool of freely available equally good applicants I certainly wouldn't give a second job to a person. Unless it was a part time role which is different. I would also be wondering about their tiredness levels -again, I wouldn't do this as an employer -pinches both me and them at both ends.

With 10% of the population not working , as many as 300,000 forced out of the country ( emigration) and God knows how many forced onto useless FAS courses and free slave unpaidlabour schemes, you would wonder why they didn't give someone struggling & unemployed a break.

I see " their" point in many ways.

GTDolanator

A friend of mine works 2 jobs because she cannot get enough hours in either of the jobs to justify working one job!absolutley nothing wrong with it,some need money others just like working

bbam

Well I'm a "double jobber", not a term I'd heard of much to be honest.
Actually I have a 39 hour job, part time business that I work ~20 hours a week at, and have just started another small business, just 5-10 hours at the moment. Plan is that I'll be able to get to the stage where I can drop the 39 hour job and be self employed.

Surely if they are tax compliant and everything is above board then it's nobody's business. Maybe the other unemployed in the village didn't bother applying or did crappy interviews.

Business people hire the best people for positions, not have pity on crappy candidates just because they are on the scratcher.

Corkbah

I can understand it on both sides.

for low/semi-skilled jobs - there is plenty of work, and plenty of people unwilling to do the work for the rates of pay, thats their choice !! but for others they do not see it as work but more of an opportunity to increase their income.

if we take for example photographers - there has been a huge influx of photographers over the past 10-15yrs because photography is more affordable and science has made cameras do most of the work now, so people see photography as a means of making extra cash.

there are hundreds of "wedding photographers" who only shoot at weekends because they have a mon-fri job, these people offer weddings cheaper than the "professional" because they usually do not see or have all of the expenses that a full-time photographer would have and they supplement their photography with their normal job, if they can make money from their photography ...no harm (except to professional photographers)

of course, professional photographers charge excessive fee's for something which the camera takes care of these days, so people are changing and going for the cheaper option...which means the professional wedding photographer is going to disappear unless they adapt and charge less which means they have to work more in order to cover costs - it gets to saturation point.

people trying to get into the business are not willing to learn they simply want to earn and its only until people can tell the difference between a photographer and a professional photographer that changes can be made.

Ps. there's sometimes very little difference between a photographer and a professional photographer in terms of work produced.

lau1247

I agree. It is not anyone else's business that the girl in OP's post have two jobs. Everyone have equal opportunity as much as her to get the job.

It is not all about money by the way for anyone who thinks that. I have full time work and back two years ago I got part time on the weekend. The main reason I got the part time is just due to my personality. I feel restless when i'm not doing something. My weekdays work involve me sitting in the office all day. But on my weekend work I was doing manual labour (I see that as an opportunity to do some exercise/movement). The money that comes with it was just part of the work which was not my main motivator.

I agree with Corkbah. There are work out there but sometimes people are not willing to take it up due to the amount of work relative to the rate of pay.

Was talking to a taxi fellow about this recently. I think because I asked what the story was with those giant green stickers on some taxis now, he said they were trying to ensure taxi cars were only taxis?
Anyway, we agreed that if someone is able to do both jobs and clearly the best candidate for both, fair play to them. Nothing wrong with it

Ishmael

bluewolf wrote: »

Was talking to a taxi fellow about this recently. I think because I asked what the story was with those giant green stickers on some taxis now, he said they were trying to ensure taxi cars were only taxis?
Anyway, we agreed that if someone is able to do both jobs and clearly the best candidate for both, fair play to them. Nothing wrong with it

The main problem i would have with someone working a second job as a taxi driver or bus driver is from a safety point of view. Fair enough, they might be the best driver in the world but if they are working for 8-9 hours then proceeding to drive a taxi for the next 6-7 hours, tiredness is bound to affect their driving at some point. This means that they are putting the public at risk.

In relation to the to the woman in the OP. Fair play to her i guess. If she is willing to work the two jobs, then let her at it i say. I can't imagine it allows her to have much of a social life.

evolving_doors

Kichote wrote: »

One shouldn't need two jobs to make ends meet.

No 'one' shouldn't, wotwotwot... Are you the queen or something?

arybvtcw0eolkf

If there were more days/hours in the week I'd work three or four jobs.

Survival of the fit and all that.

Most people I know who are long term unemployed really couldn't give a rats ass and kick up a stink when they're put on FAS courses, they don't actively seek even one job.

Fair f*cks to the girl.

jd83

Usually the people who kick up a fuss over this are the same ones who would rather go unemployed than take certain jobs because they feel its beneath them.

If all I had was a part time job, I would find something else to build up my hours.

mikemac1

If you want something done ask a busy person.

Fair play to her to getting two jobs and holding onto them.

Did any of the moaners even apply? If they didn't feck them and if they did well then she was the best candidate.

Rural area? Sure the publican and national school teachers and the farmers are probably part-timers in their livelihoods too!

arybvtcw0eolkf

mikemac1 wrote: »

If you want something done ask a busy person.

I'm gonna have to work that into my day... Good saying, I never heard it before ~ can't wait to use it, with a smug look on my face

AlekSmart

Kichote wrote: »

It depends. Its grand to have a 'handy little earner on the side' but feck this nonsense you see so common in the States that people actually need to have two fulltime jobs at the same time to get by and have a bit of money to spare and these people arent living lavish lives by any means its just things are that tough in places

It depends indeed.

The "Nonsense" is in fact Capitalism,and the "Free Market",doing it's stuff,although in this specific incidence,the "Locals" obviously don't like it.

It also needs to be recognised that,in modern Ireland,the Implimentation of the EU Working Time Directive renders it illegal for either Employer or Employee to work at the levels widespread in the U.S.

With significant restrictions on both Work and Rest periods the American model would see heavy fines and even Jail Time imposed on those foolhardy enough to want to work at a level over and above what some Eurocrat considers appropriate.

The WTA,has essentially imposed an Income Limit on ordinary folk,as it does not apply to the self-employed proffesional classes,thus we have almost silently witnessed yet another nail hammered into the coffin of the "Will to Work".

There are currently enough inducements to remain Work-Free in Ireland without seeking to completely extinguish the embers of self-respect and self-advancement which this woman obviously has.

Well done her,I say

Freddy Smelly

141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »

Double jobbing. Sounds like a tag team porn move.

or a guy with 2 penis getting sucked off by two women at the same time.

maybe the guy comes from chernobyl

AlekSmart

Freddy Smelly wrote: »

or a guy with 2 penis getting sucked off by two women at the same time.

maybe the guy comes from chernobyl

Maybe it's Micheal Douglas in respite ...;)

The Backwards Man

Not all double jobbers are double jobbers by choice either. Sometimes they are the only person willing to do a certain job, able to a certain job, or tax compliant enough to do a certain job, as in my case. I have a wee two hour a week job that I was asked to do because they couldn't find anyone with a TC2

languagenerd

Just because she was already employed doesn't mean she was making enough money to get by. Working in a convenience store, she was probably on minimum wage and quite possibly part-time - that would barely cover the essentials. If she can juggle two jobs to make ends meet, then fair play to her.

It's no-one else's business though - she didn't "steal" a job from anybody, she must have been the best candidate that applied and she has to do whatever she has to do to survive.

scamalert

Corkbah wrote: »

I can understand it on both sides.

for low/semi-skilled jobs - there is plenty of work, and plenty of people unwilling to do the work for the rates of pay, thats their choice !! but for others they do not see it as work but more of an opportunity to increase their income.

if we take for example photographers - there has been a huge influx of photographers over the past 10-15yrs because photography is more affordable and science has made cameras do most of the work now, so people see photography as a means of making extra cash.

there are hundreds of "wedding photographers" who only shoot at weekends because they have a mon-fri job, these people offer weddings cheaper than the "professional" because they usually do not see or have all of the expenses that a full-time photographer would have and they supplement their photography with their normal job, if they can make money from their photography ...no harm (except to professional photographers)

of course, professional photographers charge excessive fee's for something which the camera takes care of these days, so people are changing and going for the cheaper option...which means the professional wedding photographer is going to disappear unless they adapt and charge less which means they have to work more in order to cover costs - it gets to saturation point.

people trying to get into the business are not willing to learn they simply want to earn and its only until people can tell the difference between a photographer and a professional photographer that changes can be made.

Ps. there's sometimes very little difference between a photographer and a professional photographer in terms of work produced.

which are you ?
if you think that it only takes 1000e dlsr to be a good photographer then think again twice,the pros use equipment that costs 10-15k at minimum,plus post processing takes hours to master,not what it looks like for the side.
As for two jobs,people should mind their business,no one does that for fun,if she applied for two jobs it means she needs money,i know people that could easily scratch on one job,but yet they choose to do extra weekend work,not that they need it,but because they are saving and want to live above average in the future,so no why should anyone feel sorry for having to jobs while others dont bother getting needed skills for any job,and only moan :rolleyes:

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

She's a hard worker, GET HER!!! BURN THE HARD WORKER!!! SPAWN OF SATAN HIMSELF!!!

I have loads of jobs. A day job which is technically part-time (it's teaching, so I get paid for far fewer hours than I actually work), another teaching job at another language school some evenings and then I do freelance tutoring, translation, editing and writing work for loads of different companies. I've had full-time jobs in past that paid so little, I needed a second job just to get by. Don't see what the issue is. If this woman is the best person for the job, fair play to her.

pawspaws

iguy wrote: »

Do you double job or know anyone that does,
What do you think of it, in our current situation when others without jobs are finding it hard to get jobs.
I ask because a friend of mine has been working in a local convenience store,
a pub/off licence opened recently and she applied for a job to work in the pub, a job which she got.
Now what happened was the local people got wind that she has two jobs and they
were giving out about, e.g. she has a job already and she should leave one and let someone else get the other one, this is a small village, 40 percent of the population is unemployed.
What do ye think?

Fair play to her, showed the a lot of the village up for the lazy lot they clearly are if you ask me.

crazy cabbage

good on her.

it is something i would do out of college for a year or so to save up money for traveling. I see nothing wrong with that.

Plus let say i work 40 hours a week and when i come home i do a hobby that just happens to earn me a few quid a week. Writing or woodwork or programing or something like that. I would see it as a hobby. Not a job even though i am earning from it.
No one can tell me i cant.

Fair play to her. Not something i would do long term but fair play to her

Nemeses

I'd say leave her off, She's doing what she wants to do, whether by choice or not is none of your business.

I prefer a working force than people that sit on the dole for years or month without the intent of getting a job or even making an effort.

She's doing good and I wish her the best of luck. Working two jobs is generally tough work, Tiresome and can be stressful.

AlekSmart

pawspaws wrote: »

Fair play to her, showed the a lot of the village up for the lazy lot they clearly are if you ask me.

Sounds to me like the Village has no openings left in the "Giving out" sector,usually to be found outside the bookies or off-licence in most Irish situations.

I was recently berated by a gentleman for charging him the appropriate Fare or his journey,when "all the other lads only charge me €1.65 cos they know I'm unemployed".

I spent the remainder of the day,driving past this lad as he stepped in and out of Boyle Sports for a smoke between bouts of relaxation.

Memo to myself....."All the other lads must be feckkin eejits".

Our most pressing issue is not the unemployed,it's the unemployable.

To help the former we have first to address the latter.

How are we to do that.....?

Beats the shytt outa me,but jeering at somebody who has the desire to seek out and perform multiple employments is certainly NOT the way to address anything !

minidazzler

Maria Creamy Hive wrote: »

Most people I know who are long term unemployed really couldn't give a rats ass and kick up a stink when they're put on FAS courses, they don't actively seek even one job.

Walked in on my brothers friend having a conversation on the phone a few weeks ago. Didn't get the whole conversation but the gist of it was "Fcuk sake like theirs no jobs out there, I looked on Jobs.ie and there's nothing" I laughed and walked out of the room.... what he meant is there's nothing he's willing to do, which includes anything that doesn't pay a fcuk ton to do nothing. 27 years old and as far as I know has never had a full time job, and never had a part time more than a few weeks.

juice1304

Fair balls to her, begrudgers will be begrudgers.

Wacker The Attacker

People are sometimes criticised for their perceived unwillingness to work.

Work ethic is something that should be encouraged not criticised

Wacker The Attacker

I would work and have worked more than one job to survive.

Nothing wrong with it

Czarcasm

Did anyone else in the village offer to pay her bills, food, clothing, utilities?

If not, then it's absolutely none of their business and this woman has every right to work as many jobs as she wants. If the curtain twitchers spent less time blowing hot air and more time looking for work themselves then perhaps they wouldn't have time to be so bitter.

I'm self-employed as an IT consultant and I work with a number of charities and unemployment organisations providing my skills for free so that they can operate more efficiently and spend less time doing paperwork and more time with the people that need their help.

I've been offered numerous positions a number of times with these charities and organisations but I've turned them down because I like to be able to work in the background rather than commit my full time to any one particular organisation, but it just goes to show the jobs ARE out there if you're motivated enough, and sure, in some cases you may have to start at the bottom, below your qualifications listed on your resumé, but the contacts you make doing voluntary work can be invaluable in helping you get into a higher position in the organisation or another organisation.

Lapin

If she got the job because she was the best candidate for it, (and her experience in the other job suggests she probably is), then the very best of luck to her and fuk the begrudgers.

However, if she was offered the job as a result of who she knew rather than what she knew, especially if more qualified candidates were overlooked, then I can see why some people would be put out. And this kind of preferencial treatment still goes on all the time, especially in rural Ireland.




As for this strange question....

Armelodie wrote: »

No 'one' shouldn't, wotwotwot... Are you the queen or something?

....I doubt Kichote is the queen. Are you suggesting the queen is the only person who knows how to speak English properly.

RiseToMe

I double job, a full time job and a part time job.

I work 6 days per week and study on the 7th day as I'm also studying full time via distance learning with CCCU.

I do it to pay my fees, to ensure I'm in a position to keep my bills in order and because its necessary at the moment.

Would I prefer not having two jobs and a full time degree to study for every week? Yes of course I would. But at the end of the day needs must.

AlekSmart

minidazzler wrote: »

Walked in on my brothers friend having a conversation on the phone a few weeks ago. Didn't get the whole conversation but the gist of it was "Fcuk sake like theirs no jobs out there, I looked on Jobs.ie and there's nothing" I laughed and walked out of the room.... what he meant is there's nothing he's willing to do, which includes anything that doesn't pay a fcuk ton to do nothing. 27 years old and as far as I know has never had a full time job, and never had a part time more than a few weeks.

There is an undercurrent of helplessness running throughout modern Irish society.

It's a relatively recent phenomena,shared with much of the UK,which renders it's sufferers totally incapable of independent thought or action.

One of it's early manifestations was the Polish Plumber,Czech Carpenter or Moldovan Mechanic all of whom started to appear in our Towns and Cities,grudgingly tolerated at first,due to their ability to fix stuff and make stuff in a manner forgotten by the natives.

If it's not on Jobs.ie,it's not there at all :rolleyes:

The very fact that we are hearing of spite-ridden curtain twitchers bad mouthing somebody with a bit of gumption is sadly all too representative of a country gone adrift.

NuckingFacker

I run my own business, small, but I do alright, when our second kid was born, (years ago) the missus started a creche for toddlers in the house as she gave up working full-time(she had a good job) to be at home with the kids - some of the locals started giving out that she was "being greedy" by starting a creche, that we were being "money hungry"!

Oh how I LOLED. If they were actually doing anything themselves, they wouldn't have time to be whinging about what anyone else was doing. Trouble is, too much time to stand around gossiping and moaning about "no work, no money". Fcuk off, I worked all weekend, including yesterday from 7.30am till 12.30 at night and today from 7.30am till 4.00pm as no-one else wanted to work the bankholiday and we're swamped in work.

Like the girl in the OP, there's work if you look for it and are prepared to get down and dirty doing it. I get a pain in my hole listening to lads telling me "sure there's no work, it's awful" when I meet them when I'm on the way home after doing 12 hours straight and am knackered, and the phones still ringing.

NuckingFacker

NuckingFacker wrote: »

I run my own business, small, but I do alright, when our second kid was born, (years ago) the missus started a creche for toddlers in the house as she gave up working full-time(she had a good job) to be at home with the kids - some of the locals started giving out that she was "being greedy" by starting a creche, that we were being "money hungry"!

Oh how I LOLED. If they were actually doing anything themselves, they wouldn't have time to be whinging about what anyone else was doing. Trouble is, too much time to stand around gossiping and moaning about "no work, no money". Fcuk off, I worked all weekend, including yesterday from 7.30am till 12.30 at night and today from 7.30am till 4.00pm as no-one else wanted to work the bankholiday and we're swamped in work.

Like the girl in the OP, there's work if you look for it and are prepared to get down and dirty doing it. I get a pain in my hole listening to lads telling me "sure there's no work, it's awful" when I meet them when I'm on the way home after doing 12 hours straight and am knackered, and the phones still ringing.

I know times are really hard, but a lot of people do nothing to help themselves. It's 9.30pm and I'm still working, having worked part of the weekend and started at 8am this morning. I've just had two phone calls from friends asking me to go and meet them in the pub. I'd bloody love to, but I have work to finish by midnight. These same people keep telling me how 'lucky' I am to have work, failing to see that there's no way in hell they'd ever be prepared to do what I do. I had to set myself up as self-employed because I couldn't get enough full-time work in my field. They say they want jobs, but they expect to have their weekends free, be finished by 5 every day, get a complete hour for lunch, be allowed to go on holidays when they like...that's not being desperate for work. I wasn't even that choosy during the Celtic Tiger. I know some people do try really hard, but I have fck all sympathy for people without families who refuse to work anything other than 9-5 'because that should be my free time'. A lot of people plain can't be arsed.

Juniorhurler

Yep. Begrudgers would rot your sack. I have a full time job and also have a part time business that I run. The business is a small farm. In work I refuse to listen to people whinging about a lack of money as most of the whingers spend a tonne on consumer items along with drink, smokes and two or three foreign holidays a year. When I tell them that being broke is their own fault they invariably say that I am o.k cos I have the farm too. I bought the farm myself. I built it up by myself. This girl in the op obviously has drive and ambition and fair play to her. I hope she gets wherever she is trying to get to in life.

AlekSmart

Juniorhurler wrote: »

Yep. Begrudgers would rot your sack. I have a full time job and also have a part time business that I run. The business is a small farm. In work I refuse to listen to people whinging about a lack of money as most of the whingers spend a tonne on consumer items along with drink, smokes and two or three foreign holidays a year. When I tell them that being broke is their own fault they invariably say that I am o.k cos I have the farm too. I bought the farm myself. I built it up by myself. This girl in the op obviously has drive and ambition and fair play to her. I hope she gets wherever she is trying to get to in life.

Well writ Juniorhurler.

The saddest part of all this is the reality that the Irish State will place far more emphasis on stifling whatever drive and ambition the woman in question has.

Whether it is administrative twaddle such as the Working Time Directive,or devising income limits for benefit or assistance schemes,those who decide to advance themselves are constantly put back to the end of the queue,whilst the fence-sitters are pandered to in Royalist style.

"Helping those who help themselves",appears to represent heresy to Irish Governance.

For example,we have oft read the posts concerning various examples of the individual leaving a baby-buggy at the side of the road with a pithy comment that "Sure,the Social Welfare will get me another one".....all anecdotal and without basis according to others.

Yet,in 2001 alone, the DSP managed to spend €1,012,000 on Prams/Buggies with an additional €986,000 on "Cots"..

http://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/2011stats.pdf

It's all part of the "Urgent Needs" package in the DSP's world,with the Urgency amounting to €62,228,000 in 2011.

What,pray tell,do you do Juniorhurler,when an urgent need arises in your world ?

Conmaicne Mara

iguy wrote: »

the local people got wind that she has two jobs and they
were giving out

How many of them got off their holes and applied?