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    #32
    djimi
    Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    handlemaster wrote: »
    sounds like he did you a favour so. stop crying move on...
    worded wrote: »
    Exactly what I think. The tenants replaced the crap that was there with their own stuff and removed it on exit.
    They paid the rent for 10 good years and saved you getting a skip at the end of it.

    What's gone was not fit for purpose by the end of 10 years.

    10 good years. Hopefully your next tenants will make you happier when they go

    The furniture was not the tenants to remove/dump. Paint it any way you like; the bottom line is that the furniture, regardless of how old or potentially worn, was still the landlords property and they were entitled to find it all present and accounted for.

    I cannot believe that people are actually defending the actions of these people.


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    #33
    Zulu
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    worded wrote: »
    They didn't take it, they probably dumped it and replaced everything to their own taste over the 10 years instead and then removed what was theirs on exit.
    As a tenant, you are not entitled to "dump" your landlords belongings.
    Most furnished properties are a joke in Ireland. Landlords refuse to store their substandard rubbish so the tenants have no choice but to dump it. After 10 years do you really expect your sticks back?
    Utter tripe & rubbish. Renting is paying for a service. If you pay for yellow pack, budget, thrift you can expect the crap you pay for. There's a range of products available, with a range of costs to suit the market.
    They paid half your mortgage and you want you 10 year old sticks back? Listen to yourself.
    :rolleyes: I take it you are trolling. They paid for a service, simple as. Listen to yourself. :rolleyes:


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    #34
    Victor
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    worded wrote: »
    They didn't take it, they probably dumped it and replaced everything to their own taste over the 10 years instead and then removed what was theirs on exit.

    Most furnished properties are a joke in Ireland. Landlords refuse to store their substandard rubbish so the tenants have no choice but to dump it. After 10 years do you really expect your sticks back?

    They paid half your mortgage and you want you 10 year old sticks back? Listen to yourself.
    Let's stick to the topic at hand.

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    #35
    handlemaster
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    djimi wrote: »
    The furniture was not the tenants to remove/dump. Paint it any way you like; the bottom line is that the furniture, regardless of how old or potentially worn, was still the landlords property and they were entitled to find it all present and accounted for.

    I cannot believe that people are actually defending the actions of these people.


    Yes they shouldnt have taken it. The OP said they would have had to change it anyhow. Its like leaving some rubbish outside your house and someone takes it . Yes they didnt ask but the up side is it wont cost you anything to get rid of it. Why stress over it !!


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    #36
    djimi
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    Yes they shouldnt have taken it. The OP said they would have had to change it anyhow. Its like leaving some rubbish outside your house and someone takes it . Yes they didnt ask but the up side is it wont cost you anything to get rid of it. Why stress over it !!

    Because its theft. The landlord is not given a chance to assess what needs to be replaced and what doesnt. People seem to be making out like the tenants did the landlord a favour; they most certainly did not.


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    #37
    handlemaster
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    djimi wrote: »
    Because its theft. The landlord is not given a chance to assess what needs to be replaced and what doesnt. People seem to be making out like the tenants did the landlord a favour; they most certainly did not.

    I guess it can be argued either way. It depends on your view in life. The OP has said as much that the goods need to be changed. With that in mind whats the point in chasing.


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    #38
    djimi
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    I guess it can be argued either way. It depends on your view in life. The OP has said as much that the goods need to be changed. With that in mind whats the point in chasing.

    Well if someone walked into your house off the street and cleared away all of your ten year old furniture that may or may not have needed to be changed, would you just say "ah well they did me a favour taking it away for me", or would you view it as the theft that it is and persue them for it?

    It may be about the principal as much as anything, but as I said the landlord has not been given a chance to assess what needs replacing and what doesnt, and is now in a position where they must replace everything regardless.


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    #39
    handlemaster
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    djimi wrote: »
    Well if someone walked into your house off the street and cleared away all of your ten year old furniture that may or may not have needed to be changed, would you just say "ah well they did me a favour taking it away for me", or would you view it as the theft that it is and persue them for it?

    It may be about the principal as much as anything, but as I said the landlord has not been given a chance to assess what needs replacing and what doesnt, and is now in a position where they must replace everything regardless.


    as i say it depends on your life view point. Have house rented after 10 years if I had in mind to change everthing.. good ridence to it . Each to their own


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    worded
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    Id say SVP or any charity would refuse to accept the furniture after 10 years.

    But not content with 10 years rent .... Oh it's the principle .....

    Chase them to their graves for this !


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    #41
    Zulu
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    I guess it can be argued either way.
    Anything can be argued each way, however, not everything should be. In this case they appear to have stolen the landlords property, which, is not ok.
    It depends on your view in life. The OP has said as much that the goods need to be changed. With that in mind what's the point in chasing.
    Say you've a 10 year old car that you are thinking of replacing. Does that make it acceptable for me to "take it off your hands" without first asking? No. Of course it doesn't.


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    #42
    The Cool
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    I agree with djimi. Sure, when you're renting a place for 10 years there are bound to be some replacements etc, but if you're replacing it with stuff you are going to take with you when you leave, then you have no right to be throwing out the other stuff. I've rented a good few homes myself in various conditions but even in the most shoddily-furnished house I would never have the neck to just throw away something broken that belonged to the landlord, because it's not my property.
    Renting a house for 10 years does not give you privilege over its contents, at the end of the day it's someone else's property and what the tenants have done here is theft. Get onto the PRTB or somesuch OP, best of luck with it.


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    #43
    djimi
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    as i say it depends on your life view point. Have house rented after 10 years if I had in mind to change everthing.. good ridence to it . Each to their own

    Fair enough. Each to their own I guess. Personally Id like to have the chance to look over my property to see what needs replacing before I have to completely re-kit out a house, but maybe thats just me.


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    #44
    djimi
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    worded wrote: »
    Id say SVP or any charity would refuse to accept the furniture after 10 years.

    But not content with 10 years rent .... Oh it's the principle .....

    Chase them to their graves for this !

    Paying rent does not entitle you to remove any of the landlords belongings from the property.


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    #45
    pwurple
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    as i say it depends on your life view point. Have house rented after 10 years if I had in mind to change everthing.. good ridence to it . Each to their own

    It does indeed. Ah sure... let them away with it. That's so irish it's funny.

    I replace mattresses every tenacy, but I have good quality solid timber furniture in there, I wouldn't expect to replace that. And while I have replaced white goods during tenacies when things break, I never replace them as a matter of course between tenancies if they are working. That's utter madness. Even if they needed replacing due to looking a bit shabby, you can sell them if they work.

    I don't quite understand how the tenants actually left with the furniture and goods... I always meet tenants when a lease is ending to discuss the deposit, forwarding address, utility sign over, any issues I need to be aware of for my inspection. I take their keys while doing a brief visual check, escort them out and change the alarm code.


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    #46
    kristian12
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    I know a lot is being said about them doing the OH a favour but surely it should have been OH decision on what needed replacing?? Yes i agree 10yr old beds would need replacing but the leather (real) sofas we saw just a month ago was perfectly usable without tears or much wear and tear. They took the beds, fridge freezer, washing machine and sofas.

    They would have had their deposit back no problem this week as apart from needing painting the house was fine. They have been pretty decent tenants and i will admit they took care of the property painting the outside and suchlike.


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    #47
    enigmatical
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    Maybe contact the tenant first to ensure there hasn't been some kind of horrendous mix up.

    I mean, it's possible they hired movers who moved everything out or that there was some kind of genuine confusion.


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    #48
    syklops
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    Zulu wrote: »
    Utter tripe & rubbish. Renting is paying for a service. If you pay for yellow pack, budget, thrift you can expect the crap you pay for. There's a range of products available, with a range of costs to suit the market.
    :

    No there isn't. The rental market in Ireland is not that clear cut. The budget yellow pack properties as you put it are priced in the same margin as the quality places, and it is difficult to tell which is which in your ten minute viewing. It is extremely rare for a landlord to put quality furniture into a rental property. My current place does and its in a minority(I also wish I didn't have to move out in a few weeks time).

    In the near 15 years that I have been renting, it has never been a renters market. Its not simply a case of paying for quality. What often happens is the quality places get taken within hours of their ads going up,


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    #49
    Zulu
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    kristian12 wrote: »
    They would have had their deposit back no problem this week as apart from needing painting the house was fine. They have been pretty decent tenants and i will admit they took care of the property painting the outside and suchlike.
    I don't know if I'd refer to tenants as "pretty decent" if they nicked all my furniture and whitegoods.


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    #50
    makeorbrake
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    worded wrote: »
    Id say SVP or any charity would refuse to accept the furniture after 10 years.

    But not content with 10 years rent ....
    Irish begrudgery seeping through in your posts. "Not content with 10 years rent" - should the landlord have given the use of the property away for free? Last I checked, Ireland was capitalist - not communist.
    worded wrote: »
    But not content with 10 years rent .... Oh it's the principle .....
    Chase them to their graves for this !
    Said by you sarcastically - but damn right - chase them up. Of course, it depends on how you were dragged up raised but I can't see how anyone could interpret this as anything other than theft.


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    #51
    Zulu
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    syklops wrote: »
    No there isn't.
    Yes, there is. As both a tenant & a landlord I know this to be true.
    What you are describing is the issue we all have with quality cheap rental properties, which, I grant you are very hard to get. But if you have the money, there's plenty of quality out there.

    To say they are priced in the same market is preposterous.

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    #52
    gaius c
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    worded wrote: »
    They didn't take it, they probably dumped it and replaced everything to their own taste over the 10 years instead and then removed what was theirs on exit.

    Most furnished properties are a joke in Ireland. Landlords refuse to store their substandard rubbish so the tenants have no choice but to dump it. After 10 years do you really expect your sticks back?

    They paid half your mortgage and you want you 10 year old sticks back? Listen to yourself.

    Why didn't they inform the landlord that they were doing this? Common courtesy if anything.


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    #53
    syklops
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    Zulu wrote: »
    Yes, there is. As both a tenant & a landlord I know this to be true.

    Well if you know it to be true then thats all right then.


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    Zulu
    Registered Users Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    syklops wrote: »
    Well if you know it to be true then thats all right then.
    You conveniently overlook the evidence I provide; I suppose it's easier to fool yourself in ignorance.


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    #55
    kristian12
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    Zulu wrote: »
    I don't know if I'd refer to tenants as "pretty decent" if they nicked all my furniture and whitegoods.

    As i said "have been" not "are" pretty decent. Of course this has changed my judgement of them but after 10yrs hassle free up until now i couldn't have seen this coming.

    In 10yrs only thing we've had to replace or repair was the washing machine they took care of everything else. I'm not defending them by any means just trying to be honest and give other posters a full picture of the situation.


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    #56
    murphaph
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    foggy_lad wrote: »
    This is all furniture in a family home situation but as we all know many tenants will not treat other people's property anywhere as well as they will treat their own so the lifetime expectation of white goods and furniture in any rented property must be lowered. Many tenants will have young children who break things and jump all over furniture.

    (The property beside me has been rented three times in the last 18 months and the first time it was vacated most of the furniture had to be thrown out and the flooring ripped out because the tenant was keeping the rubbish in the house to avoid paying refuse charges, she had been keeping it outside the back door until I phoned the litter warden two years ago in May when I woke to the stench of about 40 black bags rotting in the morning sun. The next tenants were not much better as the place was raided by the Garda and most of the furniture was again beyond use and had to be thrown out and the place repainted. This LL seems to use a lot of cheaper 2nd hand furniture for her tenants.)
    Wtf?
    If tenants are breaking things then they are still liable for their replacement! If I was the LL of the bag lady keeping all her refuse in the house then I'd probably be furnishing the place with the cheapest of the cheap as well!!

    Landlords can't win with some people.


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    #57
    murphaph
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    I have a nice matching solid wood dining table, chairs and sideboard in the house I used to live in but now rent out. The furniture was actually there when I bought the place as the previous owner was a seaman and was happy for me to take it. I used it for 10 years and it's still all giving good service today. That furniture must be 20 years old but with good tenants like mine who polish it etc. it'll keep giving good service for years to come.

    If my tenants saw fit to take it at the end of their tenancy I'd see it as theft of course. Now, my tenants did ASK me if they could replace the living room suite a few years back and if I would remove my old one. I agreed as my old one was starting to go a bit threadbare. They own the new (now not so new) leather suite and can take that with them of course when they go as it's their property, but they ASKED me about replacing the old suite and it was discussed and an agreement reached. They didn't just chuck my old one out.


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