Knackers trying to scare people by shouting in faces.

Prodigious

What was the tango thing the OP mentioned?

crockholm

Trent Brave Goon wrote: »

What does it matter? What does that have to do with Dublin being a kip and tourists not wanting to go there?



Are you small, foreign or disabled? If not, that might be why. Scumbags like to pick on people who look out of place and/or would have difficulty defending themselves, not those who 'show fear'. :rolleyes: Victim blaming is just another way of trying to dismiss how serious this issue is getting.

Have to disagree with you here based on my experiences.

I was working on the LUAS line at ballyogan road,repairing a damaged kerb,ergo, on all fours.Just from a cursory glance,I could see 2 12-13 year olds going by,all of a sudden I got a boot up the arse from one of them.

After a brief Bishop Brennan wtf moment I grabbed the wee scrote,pinned him to the wall whilst stabbing the lil' facker in the balls with my pointing trowel,some old bastaad who was passing and who had seen the episode warned me that if I didn't let him go he would get the guards and my employers straight away.

As I had infinitely more to lose than the punk kid,I left him go, but the fact that a 5 foot 3 scobe fancies his chances against a 6"1, 16 st man,and that there will be no consequences,says it all.As for the old man-I just hope that little weasel has robbed him by now

Meritocracy Wins

Trent Brave Goon wrote: »

Do you know what happens most of the time when you report a crime?

Nothing.

You call the guards, they might interview you, and then you never hear anything about it ever again.

Do you think a tourist who has come to Dublin for a weekend, under the impression that it's a civilised city with decent people, is going to be willing to report the crime and return at a later date (at their own expense) to watch Anto or Jacinta be sentenced to cleaning up some graffiti for a week (if the case even reaches court)?

Get real.

So it's more to do with the law and it's deficiencies, then why are the decent people lobbying their representatives to change the laws?

Afraid or apathetic? So it continues. You come across as exactly the type of person I am talking about, but you carry on defending the victims in your way, though I am still not aware of what your way is.

Jimmy Garlic

Trent Brave Goon wrote: »

Do you know what happens most of the time when you report a crime?

Nothing.

You call the guards, they might interview you, and then you never hear anything about it ever again.

Do you think a tourist who has come to Dublin for a weekend, under the impression that it's a civilised city with decent people, is going to be willing to report the crime and return at a later date (at their own expense) to watch Anto or Jacinta be sentenced to cleaning up some graffiti for a week (if the case even reaches court)?

Get real.

The scumbag infestation in our cities is having a negative effect on the economy, tourism and the quality of life for the majority. I really think that they have devolved over the years into a sub-species. They should be barred from all city centers.

Meritocracy Wins

wexie wrote: »

I think you'd probably find a lot more people willing to do this if they could be reasonably sure they wouldn't encounter said perpetrator around town the same afternoon as they're out on bail...

Again this would require the "decent people" to make change happen.

Meritocracy Wins

Meritocracy Wins wrote: »

So it's more to do with the law and it's deficiencies, then why are the decent people lobbying their representatives to change the laws?

Afraid or apathetic? So it continues. You come across as exactly the type of person I am talking about, but you carry on defending the victims in your way, though I am still not aware of what your way is.

It has to do with people acting like scum and the guards not doing enough to a) stop it when/before it happens and b) follow up.

I'm not sure how to say this any more plainly. Dublin is a kip and a lot of people have already stopped visiting because of it. If that's fine with you, grand. You sound like one of the apologists who make the whole thing even worse. I don't live in Ireland anymore. I can just see first hand how badly the tourist industry is affected because people often do not feel safe when they visit and come back telling other people not to bother going. People just won't go if they think they're going to get hassle and abuse, they'll go elsewhere. Simple.

Meritocracy Wins

Trent Brave Goon wrote: »

It has to do with people acting like scum and the guards not doing enough to a) stop it when/before it happens and b) follow up.

I'm not sure how to say this any more plainly. Dublin is a kip and a lot of people have already stopped visiting because of it. If that's fine with you, grand. You sound like one of the apologists who make the whole thing even worse. I don't live in Ireland anymore. I can just see first hand how badly the tourist industry is affected because people often do not feel safe when they visit and come back telling other people not to bother going. People just won't go if they think they're going to get hassle and abuse, they'll go elsewhere. Simple.

Have a good day.

Meritocracy Wins

Meritocracy Wins wrote: »

Have a good day.

You illustrate my point perfectly. My friend who was racially abused/attacked in Dublin 3 weeks ago was upset most of all by how nonchalant the locals seemed to be about it. Your attitude is a great message for worried tourists googling about scumbags in Dublin.

If you get attacked, it's all your fault for looking like a weakling and if you don't ruin the rest of your holiday by trying to report it, it's all your fault.

How lovely Ireland and the Irish are, eh? Why wouldn't anyone want to go?

Kur4mA

mitosis wrote: »

It is no wonder so many people think Dublin is a grand place. All the aggravation seems to revolve around you and your missus - the rest of us aren't getting a look in.

In 25 years of living in Tallaght and Inchicore I haven't experienced so many incidents as you have in a few weeks.

Well lucky you. I've also lived in Tallaght and Inchicore, as well as Coolock and Blanchardstown/Clonsilla

In 31 years I've seen a lot but in the last 10 years it has definitely gotten worse, including a fun day out in the park which turned into me having my head kicked in by a gang of lads and a day in the hospital. Admittedly, the last few weeks we've had a bad run of luck but still... A lot of the random and ridiculous acts of violence and mischief I've seen and experienced in Dublin would simply not be tolerated in a lot of other places.

Kur4mA

Trent Brave Goon wrote: »

You illustrate my point perfectly. My friend who was racially abused/attacked in Dublin 3 weeks ago was upset most of all by how nonchalant the locals seemed to be about it. Your attitude is a great message for worried tourists googling about scumbags in Dublin.

If you get attacked, it's all your fault for looking like a weakling and if you don't ruin the rest of your holiday by trying to report it, it's all your fault.

How lovely Ireland and the Irish are, eh? Why wouldn't anyone want to go?

I completely agree with this. It's not about how soft a target you look or how strong/weak you look in the eyes of the scumbags. This shouldn't be a factor. The fact that you have to be concerned about that when going about your daily business in your home city is the problem. It's not humane and this is the most disgusting thing about my city these days.

I've learned over the years to be vigilant and always aware of my surroundings because of what I have experienced and seen. The moment I leave my house I am ready to defend myself, but not everybody is the same and nobody should have to be worried that about that. It's simply not normal while out enjoying your day/evening to have some random person lash out at you, rob you at knife point, grab your phone out of your hand or threaten you.

Anyone who thinks this isn't happening MANY times a day in Dublin hasn't got a clue or who thinks it's normal and happens everywhere is seriously deluded.

**EDIT** I've also spoken to some friends on this, and I genuinely believe that people who drive a vehicle on a daily basis are slightly ignorant of a lot of the things I've highlighted. I STRONGLY believe (since just recently after my girlfirned was mugged) that driving your own car is the safest way to get around Dublin. It prevents people from seeing or experiencing a lot of this crap. I don't drive and either walk, cycle or use public transport. I'd urge anyone to do the same for a couple of weeks instead of driving into the City, and then see if they do not experience or see some of the crap myself and others have mentioned in this thread.

Meritocracy Wins

Trent Brave Goon wrote: »

You illustrate my point perfectly. My friend who was racially abused/attacked in Dublin 3 weeks ago was upset most of all by how nonchalant the locals seemed to be about it. Your attitude is a great message for worried tourists googling about scumbags in Dublin.

If you get attacked, it's all your fault for looking like a weakling and if you don't ruin the rest of your holiday by trying to report it, it's all your fault.

How lovely Ireland and the Irish are, eh? Why wouldn't anyone want to go?

Read my posts. When you read them you will see that my point is to advocate a change by the people of this country that will reclaim these fictional streets you and your ilk believe are being over-run by scum.

Your friend had the misfortune of this incident happening in the vicinity of the cowards I describe, not people of my ilk who will not stand by and let it happen. Hopefully these foreign googlers will see that point.

dizzymac

ilk

sheesh

I'm thinking of offering a hug if this happens to me.

NS77

Valetta wrote: »

Maybe a lot of people who live in Dublin actually see that this sort of behaviour is not as widespread as other people who don't live in Dublin seem to think.

Sorry, but as a resident in Dublin for the last 18 years, it's definitely getting worse.... and it's pretty widespread, just one stroll down O' Connell (for example) will testify to that.

True, other cities have their rough areas, but by-and-large, the tourist/commercial areas are protected / policed. This is not the case in Dublin. I rarely go into the city centre now. Not that I necessarily feel unsafe, but its just not a pleasant place to be.

.. and there's no point saying: "sure it's no different to any other large city". We should not accept other peoples standards, we should set our own based on the type of city / society that we want. Why not be the city that other aspire to??

suicide_circus

It is all about a lack of respect for others and authority brought about by a lack if quality parenting.

I think the social welfare system in combination with the justice system here is a big part of it.

If kids know that a) the state will provide them with free money, housing and healthcare for life while they can b) accumulate multiple criminal convictions with little or no consequences, you end up with what is being described here:

Generations of kids with an absolute sense of entitlement, zero work ethic, zero respect for the law and zero respect for others.

They are safe in the knowledge that the state will take from the workers of the country and give to them , no questions asked.

Indeed, why would they respect such an immoral system?

I'm no church goer but when Catholicism was the order of the day in this country - at least there was some sense of a higher authority, something to be feared. Now that the church has crumbled, neither parents nor the state has stepped in to fill the void.

There are no consequences for these people.

Two words that might put a little manners on them: food stamps.

I've said it here before, the state is obliged to provide food, shelter, water and education. There is no UN human rights statute requiring the state to provide people with free cash.

Any misdemeanor should be attached to a persons SW entitlements or to the parents entitlements.

Fridge

kyub wrote: »

**EDIT** I've also spoken to some friends on this, and I genuinely believe that people who drive a vehicle on a daily basis are slightly ignorant of a lot of the things I've highlighted. I STRONGLY believe (since just recently after my girlfirned was mugged) that driving your own car is the safest way to get around Dublin. It prevents people from seeing or experiencing a lot of this crap. I don't drive and either walk, cycle or use public transport. I'd urge anyone to do the same for a couple of weeks instead of driving into the City, and then see if they do not experience or see some of the crap myself and others have mentioned in this thread.

Yep, I've been trying to warn my sister about this. I've always done both, as in when I'm drinking, I've taken the nightlink or just used bus during the day if driving was a hassle but also have had to use the car a lot because the buses are so infrequent. When driving, I rarely have experiences like this, bar homeless people hassling you at the car park pay machine. But once you're in your car, lock the doors and you're pretty safe. I don't feel safe taking taxis with all the things that have happened to people I know and just waiting around for buses etc you can get dragged into fights or anything.

But my sister isn't confident enough to drive into town because she always gets lost, even with a Sat Nav and when taking the bus has often found herself lost and stranded somehow. Hopeless! Driving would be safer for her anyway.

wendell borton

Cathal Cloch wrote: »

You need a hand gun and you need to use it. Get a gun and blast the next person who gives you a fright... blast them in the fucking face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dBn3fW1ijU

and then this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-oinyjsk0

steddyeddy

I would take issue with the fact that Dublin is a kip to be honest and I have lived amongst its rougher elements. Every captial city has its share of scumbags. In fact I think Dublin's crime rate is lower than a lot of captial cities. Yes of course there are scumbags and I don't think that the justice system tackles them properly but I think it's unfair to single out Dublin.

Kur4mA

steddyeddy wrote: »

Every captial city has its share of scumbags.

At the end of the day, this is the same line that always gets pulled out of the bag, but I don't give a ****e about every other capital city. I care about my city and where I live. I've lived in Dublin my entire life. I've visited and spent time in a LOT of countries and cities including Manila, Cancun, Salt Lake City to name a few but never seen scumbags let away with the type of stuff that happens here with absolutely no repercussions.

steddyeddy

kyub wrote: »

At the end of the day, this is the same line that always gets pulled out of the bag, but I don't give a ****e about every other capital city. I care about my city and where I live. I've lived in Dublin my entire life. I've visited and spent time in a LOT of countries and cities including Manila, Cancun, Salt Lake City to name a few but never seen scumbags let away with the type of stuff that happens here with absolutely no repercussions.

Well I think we can agree on that bit. I don't understand some of the sentences that are handed down to people.

Greentopia

NS77 wrote: »

True, other cities have their rough areas, but by-and-large, the tourist/commercial areas are protected / policed. This is not the case in Dublin. I rarely go into the city centre now.

Me neither. I like meeting friends up there but I feel like we have to stick to certain pockets of the city only for safety-during daylight hours I mean.

Almost every time I'm in Dublin I see some form of intimidating anti-social behaviour, or I'm the victim of it, and yes, it seems to be getting worse. It really puts me off the place.

NS77 wrote: »

.. and there's no point saying: "sure it's no different to any other large city". We should not accept other peoples standards, we should set our own based on the type of city / society that we want. Why not be the city that other aspire to??

People who say that obviously haven't lived in other, quite frankly more civilised large cities. Or they're trying to convince themselves it's not so bad because they have to live there and don't want to face the truth.

I lived for 8 years in a Swedish city. Not once did I ever feel unsafe walking around it on my own as a woman. The only problem I ever had was on occasion a drunk sitting down next to me on a bus or tram to have a chat, but they were never aggressive or violent.

I can count on one hand the number of times I personally witnessed any kind of aggression, violence or anti-social behaviour in my 8 years there, at any time of day or night.

Sure there are certain parts of Gothenburg I wouldn't have wandered around at night on my own but they're not in the city centre, they're in the suburbs and so easy to avoid as none of my Swedish friends lived there anyway.

The type of random acts of intimidation and violence that happen on a daily basis in Dublin simply don't happen in the city centres there. And if they did the police would take swift action to deal with it.

Duck's hoop

It's full of dirty little disrespectful, Ill mannered, miseducated and prejudiced toe rags. Living here years and like others, I've never seen anything, anywhere, even approaching the dirtballs that are rampant here.

The mad thing is, put any of them in Istanbul, Karachi, Madrid, Casablanca or basically any other city you can expect to walk through and be left alone, if they tried their sh!t they'd be picking their teeth up with stumps.

thefasteriwalk

Links234 wrote: »

totally right! and then set their house on fire and kill their family pets

scumbags are scumbags because ordinary people don't become idiot scumbags themselves and sink to violent thuggery far worse than what the original "scum" did.

Do what you want with them, but leave the animals alone!

Arpa

Flimbos wrote: »

Alright, where is the focal point for skangers in the park, papal cross, the wellington monument?

It's a big park, might be best just to avoid the hotspots.

It's my city my park too. the last thing i would do is go out of my way trying to avoid them...fair enough i wouldnt go near sheriff street at 11pm at night but phoenix park, full of families at 7 in the evening on a beautiful sunny day? feck off...ill walk where i want and next time something happens...ill lash out and suffer the consequences in court. who will win? jacinta/deco or I? im thinking me because i can string a sentence together and wasnt the one running around screaming in peoples faces with a can of bulmers in my hand.

Greentopia

suicide_circus wrote: »

It is all about a lack of respect for others and authority brought about by a lack if quality parenting.

I think that's certainly part of it, yes, but the problem there is that in the most part the parents themselves didn't have good role models in the home and so the dysfunction gets passed on to the next generation unless there is some kind of intervention. The problems become multi-generational and entrenched.

suicide_circus wrote: »

I think the social welfare system in combination with the justice system here is a big part of it.

The justice system doesn't work as it should and seems to be no deterrent whatsoever to those who commit crime, but I don't think the social welfare system is to blame. There are other countries, such as the one I mentioned in my previous post that have far more generous welfare states that our own that do not have the same level of social problems or youth violence and crime we have in this country.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Two words that might put a little manners on them: food stamps.

That doesn't work in the U.S. as a deterrent to crime, why should it work here?

Without addressing and solving the root causes of crime measures, restricting income and instead giving food stamps to generationally poor and marginalised people only incentivises many to commit crime to sustain themselves.

Femme_Fatale

My experience of Dublin was absolutely fine, to be honest. I lived there for two years near the city centre - northside and southside - and didn't encounter a fraction of the trouble people are talking about here. Maybe I'm just not very observant.

But the stuff about people who don't stand up to scumbags being responsible for scumbags (rather than, y'know, the scumbags being responsible for themselves) is hilarious.
I won't stand up to violent thugs myself, because I don't want to be badly assaulted. Ta.

suicide_circus

Greentopia wrote: »

I think that's certainly part of it, yes, but the problem there is that in the most part the parents themselves didn't have good role models in the home and so the dysfunction gets passed on to the next generation unless there is some kind of intervention. The problems become multi-generational and entrenched.



The justice system doesn't work as it should and seems to be no deterrent whatsoever to those who commit crime, but I don't think the social welfare system is to blame. There are other countries, such as the one I mentioned in my previous post that have far more generous welfare states that our own that do not have the same level of social problems or youth violence and crime we have in this country.



That doesn't work in the U.S. as a deterrent to crime, why should it work here?

Without addressing and solving the root causes of crime measures, restricting income and instead giving food stamps to generationally poor and marginalised people only incentivises many to commit crime to sustain themselves.

Im suggesting food stamps as a penalty. Commit crime while on social - some of your social is now paid in form of vouchers redeemable for food/utility. Im suggesting introducing something which seems to be lacking - consequences. The justice system and SW system should certainly interact in this way.

JupiterKid

The scum are out in their droves in the Phoenix Park today. Is it not possible to have a relaxing hour lying in the sun without some toerag making it a misery for everyone else?

Dublin and Ireland generally has a serious problem with anti-social violent behaviour in public places.

This city needs an enema...

scopper

I really do wonder where some of ye do end up in Dublin. Like most Dubliners I don't fear any part of the city beyond obvious pockets that have been no-go for as long as anyone remembers. We are a capital city and that means anti-social behaviour will happen. Sure, I've lived in smaller European cities and felt safe, but that would be true for any smaller city relative to a capital.

As someone who walks the city daily I do see the junkies, but do things happen to me very often? No, you just keep your head on and refuse to engage the obvious dodgeballs.

scopper

scopper wrote: »

I really do wonder where some of ye do end up in Dublin. Like most Dubliners I don't fear any part of the city beyond obvious pockets that have been no-go for as long as anyone remembers. We are a capital city and that means anti-social behaviour will happen. Sure, I've lived in smaller European cities and felt safe, but that would be true for any smaller city relative to a capital.

As someone who walks the city daily I do see the junkies, but do things happen to me very often? No, you just keep your head on and refuse to engage the obvious dodgeballs.

I've had countless negative incidents, all in the city centre. It's not about no-go zones, it's about scumbag behaviour in places we all need to go. Things tend to happen when you're standing waiting for a bus or even walking down the street minding your own business.

scopper

Fridge wrote: »

But once you're in your car, lock the doors and you're pretty safe. I don't feel safe taking taxis with all the things that have happened to people I know and just waiting around for buses etc you can get dragged into fights or anything.

That's a laughable degree of paranoia for a grown-up to have.

scopper

Trent Brave Goon wrote: »

I've had countless negative incidents, all in the city centre. It's not about no-go zones, it's about scumbag behaviour in places we all need to go. Things tend to happen when you're standing waiting for a bus or even walking down the street minding your own business.

I'm curious where you are walking? Do you mean getting asked for change/smokes, etc.? That's pretty common anyway. And it's the price of living in a big city. You'll have the experience in London or Barcelona or Paris. It's part of life and surely always has been. You just ignore them.

rox5

Sometimes though you can't win either way. A few years back, my brother and his mate were out one night in Dublin when a couple of drunk scumbags started on them for no reason. Not once did he or the friend ever provoke them, they even said how they just walked away, with their arms up to cover their faces from the blows. Not once did they ever hit back. My brother ended up having his tooth knocked out and I still remember that morning when he showed up his shirt, covered with spots of blood.

Since I was young, I didn't understand the whole situation but now I am angry over how they attacked my brother, could have ended up killing him and his mate.
Being drunk is no excuse, it takes a couple of real scumbags to start on people for absolutely no reason.

Greentopia

suicide_circus wrote: »

Im suggesting food stamps as a penalty. Commit crime while on social - some of your social is now paid in form of vouchers redeemable for food/utility. Im suggesting introducing something which seems to be lacking - consequences. The justice system and SW system should certainly interact in this way.

Now it's food AND utilities?

Cut peoples SW like that and the only consequence would be more crime-people stealing, selling drugs and so on to pay other bills, taxes and charges, clothing and all everyday living expenses. It would do nothing to help turn their kids away from crime.

If all some kids know is a lifetime of criminal activity without consequences they're not going to suddenly turn into educated, law abiding tax paying model citizens, even under threat of punishment for their crimes by their parents.

What's needed in the first instance is early childhood intervention and state services directed to help, support and educate parents to prevent their kids growing up to be juvenile and then adult criminals. Punishing parents by the methods you propose achieves none of this and would be counter-productive and short sighted.
Even some conservative think-tanks understand this and endorse a preventative strategy rather than punitive one.

Greentopia

Greentopia wrote: »

Now it's food AND utilities?

Cut peoples SW like that and the only consequence would be more crime-people stealing, selling drugs and so on to pay other bills, taxes and charges, clothing and all everyday living expenses. It would do nothing to help turn their kids away from crime.

If all some kids know is a lifetime of criminal activity without consequences they're not going to suddenly turn into educated, law abiding tax paying model citizens, even under threat of punishment for their crimes by their parents.

What's needed in the first instance is early childhood intervention and state services directed to help, support and educate parents to prevent their kids growing up to be juvenile and then adult criminals. Punishing parents by the methods you propose achieves none of this and would be counter-productive and short sighted.
Even some conservative think-tanks understand this and endorse a preventative strategy rather than punitive one.

We're already spending billions in supporting the ne'er do wells. How many more billion shall it take?

Rezident

Haven't noticed this yet but sadly not surprised. The lads I go to lunch with (from Galway and the states) were just talking today about the Dublin skanger phenomenon, it's comical when it's not so depressing.

If someone does surprise you like that I think you're well within your rights to hit them in self-defence.

The King of Moo

crockholm wrote: »

Have to disagree with you here based on my experiences.

I was working on the LUAS line at ballyogan road,repairing a damaged kerb,ergo, on all fours.Just from a cursory glance,I could see 2 12-13 year olds going by,all of a sudden I got a boot up the arse from one of them.

After a brief Bishop Brennan wtf moment I grabbed the wee scrote,pinned him to the wall whilst stabbing the lil' facker in the balls with my pointing trowel,some old bastaad who was passing and who had seen the episode warned me that if I didn't let him go he would get the guards and my employers straight away.

As I had infinitely more to lose than the punk kid,I left him go, but the fact that a 5 foot 3 scobe fancies his chances against a 6"1, 16 st man,and that there will be no consequences,says it all.As for the old man-I just hope that little weasel has robbed him by now

In response to getting a kick in the bottom, you pinned a minor against a wall, stabbed his groin with a trowel, and now hope than an elderly man who tried to stop your assault gets robbed!?

You're a scumbag.

wesf

The King of Moo wrote: »

In response to getting a kick in the bottom, you pinned a minor against a wall, stabbed his groin with a trowel, and now hope than an elderly man who tried to stop your assault gets robbed!?

You're a scumbag.

It's attitudes like yours and that old mans that has the scum knowing they can get away with anything.
Crockholm was dead right, bet that dirtbag thought twice before doing anything like that again.

MrPoker

Rezident wrote: »

Haven't noticed this yet but sadly not surprised. The lads I go to lunch with (from Galway and the states) were just talking today about the Dublin skanger phenomenon, it's comical when it's not so depressing.

If someone does surprise you like that I think you're well within your rights to hit them in self-defence.

I haven't seen this happen to anybody but with the amount of scum hanging around town i well believe it happens. If anyone invades my personal space like that unexpectedly im striking out nearly every time and hopefully teach them a lesson in the process.

con___manx1

wesf wrote: »

It's attitudes like yours and that old mans that has the scum knowing they can get away with anything.
Crockholm was dead right, bet that dirtbag thought twice before doing anything like that again.

i agree the little fecker will think twice next time

The King of Moo

wesf wrote: »

It's attitudes like yours and that old mans that has the scum knowing they can get away with anything.
Crockholm was dead right, bet that dirtbag thought twice before doing anything like that again.

Do you honestly believe that a kick in the arse is worth the assault that kid got? And do you think if you saw a grown man doing that to a 12-year old that you'd happily just walk on by?

I'm much more concerned about people who'd react like Crockholm did, people taking their revenge porn fantasies out of the online realm and into the real world, than I am about the minor problem of anti-social behaviour.

It was a kick in the arse for f*ck's sake!

Duck's hoop

scopper wrote: »

I'm curious where you are walking? Do you mean getting asked for change/smokes, etc.? That's pretty common anyway. And it's the price of living in a big city. You'll have the experience in London or Barcelona or Paris.

Head to Howth, Phoenix Park or across the river to Memorial Gardens or over to the green in Fairview tomorrow. Just to name a few places where this subclass will surely gather in droves.

I say go about 4/5 and just watch and listen. You won't see the behaviour in similar places in the 3 cities you list.

Greentopia

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

My experience of Dublin was absolutely fine, to be honest. I lived there for two years near the city centre - northside and southside - and didn't encounter a fraction of the trouble people are talking about here. Maybe I'm just not very observant.

Maybe you've become accustomed to avoiding large parts of your city especially after the hours of darkness.

Or/and maybe you look like a hard nut who most people wouldn't want to mess with?

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

But the stuff about people who don't stand up to scumbags being responsible for scumbags (rather than, y'know, the scumbags being responsible for themselves) is hilarious.
I won't stand up to violent thugs myself, because I don't want to be badly assaulted. Ta.

Indeed. Easy for blokes who are physically able and confident enough to take these violent people on to tell people like me to stand up for ourselves.

The best strategy I have to deal with potentially dangerous situations and individuals is to avoid walking in certain areas, avoid eye contact completely with trouble makers, look straight ahead, and walk purposefully and confidently thereby making myself look like less of an easy target.

That still won't stop some acts of random assault, muggings, or worse happening of course but it's the best I can do in a city like Dublin

wesf

The King of Moo wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that a kick in the arse is worth the assault that kid got? And do you think if you saw a grown man doing that to a 12-year old that you'd happily just walk on by?

I'm much more concerned about people who'd react like Crockholm did, people taking their revenge porn fantasies out of the online realm and into the real world, than I am about the minor problem of anti-social behaviour.

It was a kick in the arse for f*ck's sake!

Yes I do, don't interfere with anyone else and you won't be interfered with, it's simple.
Where do you think the dirtbags that could rob your house or car etc start off?!

Lelantos

The King of Moo wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that a kick in the arse is worth the assault that kid got? And do you think if you saw a grown man doing that to a 12-year old that you'd happily just walk on by?

I'm much more concerned about people who'd react like Crockholm did, people taking their revenge porn fantasies out of the online realm and into the real world, than I am about the minor problem of anti-social behaviour.

It was a kick in the arse for f*ck's sake!

If a 12yo kicks a full grown man in the arse, what's he going to do to a 10yo boy?

Gummy Panda

Are we now in the self hate cycle of after hours?

Call Me Jimmy

The King of Moo wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that a kick in the arse is worth the assault that kid got? And do you think if you saw a grown man doing that to a 12-year old that you'd happily just walk on by?

I'm much more concerned about people who'd react like Crockholm did, people taking their revenge porn fantasies out of the online realm and into the real world, than I am about the minor problem of anti-social behaviour.

It was a kick in the arse for f*ck's sake!

Just to add, I think it was more than a kick in the arse, it was entirely degrading to the man working and he might have went too far but I agree he won't be kicking anyone up the hole while they're trying to work any time soon.

jimgoose

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

...he won't be kicking anyone up the hole while they're trying to work any time soon.

Proper order too. Who does the wee sh!te think he is - the Gummint??

Seachmall

wesf wrote: »

It's attitudes like yours and that old mans that has the scum knowing they can get away with anything.
Crockholm was dead right, bet that dirtbag thought twice before doing anything like that again.

Only in AH would you be criticised for not supporting a 6'1" 16 stone adult's decision to prod a 12 year old in the balls with a trowel while holding him against a wall.

pussychowmein

Boo, did i frighten ya?