Knackers trying to scare people by shouting in faces.

Stephen_Forest

Ye that happened to me when I was walking to the Phoenix park a while back, Three young scutts jumped out in front of me and my wife and shouted something or other. We were walking down from the NCR and it is a bit of a kip down beside the O'Devaney gardens. As frustrating as it is there is nothing you can do but ignore them.

The King of Moo

The King of Moo wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that a kick in the arse is worth the assault that kid got? And do you think if you saw a grown man doing that to a 12-year old that you'd happily just walk on by?

I'm much more concerned about people who'd react like Crockholm did, people taking their revenge porn fantasies out of the online realm and into the real world, than I am about the minor problem of anti-social behaviour.

It was a kick in the arse for f*ck's sake!

What is the proper response? "That's quite alright, m'lord. I actually enjoyed your kick up the arse, now back to servitude I go while you head off to multiply and live off my taxes."

Honestly...

con___manx1

one of my friends got a head butt paddy's day in Waterford he was wearing a tall hat the knacker took it off my mates head.
none of us are the fighting type especially my friend who got headbutted. he honestly wouldn't say boo to a goose.
me and my mate went over to the knack and said he better give the hat back.he laughed in our faces. at the exact same time me and my mate threw a punch at him both striking his face. i got the hat and walked off. he will think twice next time knacker.

Seachmall

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

What is the proper response? "That's quite alright, m'lord. I actually enjoyed your kick up the arse, now back to servitude I go while you head off to multiply and live off my taxes."

Honestly...

I'm not sure what he should've done but molesting him with a trowel would actually be pretty far down on my list of appropriate responses.

candy-gal1

The King of Moo wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that a kick in the arse is worth the assault that kid got? And do you think if you saw a grown man doing that to a 12-year old that you'd happily just walk on by?

I'm much more concerned about people who'd react like Crockholm did, people taking their revenge porn fantasies out of the online realm and into the real world, than I am about the minor problem of anti-social behaviour.

It was a kick in the arse for f*ck's sake!

Jesus h christ! :mad:
Some random stranger walks by you, invades your personal space and basically assaults you, unprovoked and for no reason at all except to "have the craic wi me mates", "look cool" or whatever, then yeah your basically entitled to defend yourself in whatever way you can imho.

Maybe Im wrong, but if anyone makes the first punch/kick what have you intentionally towards you for little/no reason then you can go to town on them as self defense tbh.

It seems to be only a few areas left in the city where you can just go about your business without any hassle from scangers/scumbags, or maybe Ive just been living in the area im in too long

Seachmall

candy-gal1 wrote: »

Maybe Im wrong

Legally it is wrong.

Ethically or morally it's... eh... well it's probing a 12 year old in the balls with a trowel.

I'm not sure where that fits in terms of morals to be honest. Anyone?

0ph0rce0

Seachmall wrote: »

Legally it is wrong.

Ethically or morally it's... eh... well it's probing a 12 year old in the balls with a trowel.

I'm not sure where that fits in terms of morals to be honest. Anyone?

He stabbed the lad in the sack with a trowel, Not unzipped his jeans, whipped out his shlong and sucked him off. :rolleyes:

wexie

Seachmall wrote: »

Legally it is wrong.

Ethically or morally it's... eh... well it's probing a 12 year old in the balls with a trowel.

I'm not sure where that fits in terms of morals to be honest. Anyone?

Maybe he was starting his own private forced sterilisation scheme like so many here are advocating.

I think initiative like that needs to be applauded

steddyeddy

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

What is the proper response? "That's quite alright, m'lord. I actually enjoyed your kick up the arse, now back to servitude I go while you head off to multiply and live off my taxes."

Honestly...

How about not hitting kids in the balls? Apart from the size and maturity difference involved there is also the possibility of the kid telling his parents some adult went near his balls.

Lelantos

steddyeddy wrote: »

How about not hitting kids in the balls? Apart from the size and maturity difference involved there is also the possibility of the kid telling his parents some adult went near his balls.

Said kids parents were probably too high on bath salts to care

Seachmall

wexie wrote: »

Maybe he was starting his own private forced sterilisation scheme like so many here are advocating.

I think initiative like that needs to be applauded

I'm all for initiative but... but... 12 year old... balls... trowel...

I just can't get over the absurdity of the whole thing. I'd genuinely piss myself laughing if I saw the headline "Man arrested after exacting revenge on bum-kicker by prodding minor's genitals with gardening device" in some paper.


Ah, I can't get over how great, but still wrong, the entire situation is.

0ph0rce0

When your on all fours getting a boot in the hoop, i think your at about balls level...Seems reasonable to me.

wexie

Lelantos wrote: »

Said kids parents were probably too high on bath salts to care

Ah c'mon now with the prejudice, there's no reason to assume his parents were druggies.

They could have been good ol' honest, god fearing alcoholics

John.Icy

steddyeddy wrote: »

How about not hitting kids in the balls? Apart from the size and maturity difference involved there is also the possibility of the kid telling his parents some adult went near his balls.

This was also my only gripe with the issue. Whatever if you were under 18 giving someone younger a quick lesson with a swift kick to the goulies, but an adult + young lads genitals = a no go area.

steddyeddy

Lelantos wrote: »

Said kids parents were probably too high on bath salts to care

I wish parenting bad or good was a prediction of a childs behaviour. There's plenty of kids with good parents who turn out !"holes and vice versa.

The King of Moo

wesf wrote: »

Yes I do, don't interfere with anyone else and you won't be interfered with, it's simple.
Where do you think the dirtbags that could rob your house or car etc start off?!

In deprived circumstances in which they're poorly brought-up by unfit parents because they themselves were raised in similar circumstances. In situations where crime and drug abuse are normalised, and they're faced with peer pressure to get involved in both. In situations where people call them "skanger," "scumbag," "howiya" based on their appearance and accent.

So you see, we really need to be out there sterilising, beating up, and eye gouging poverty if we really want to get rid of these scary people who shout at us.

Lelantos wrote: »

If a 12yo kicks a full grown man in the arse, what's he going to do to a 10yo boy?

Kick him in the shin?

Give him a Chinese burn?

Something equally trivial?

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

...he won't be kicking anyone up the hole while they're trying to work any time soon.

I agree, he might be coming back with his big brothers.

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

What is the proper response? "That's quite alright, m'lord. I actually enjoyed your kick up the arse, now back to servitude I go while you head off to multiply and live off my taxes."

Honestly...

Now that's just silly! Honestly, I'd probably do nothing. I think I'm more than capable of taking a kick in the bottom from a child (also, being a child, I'd say he'd be too young to fully get the "multiply and live off my taxes" bit. I wouldn't use it), and it wouldn't be personal, so why bother giving him the reaction he wants.
Maybe I'm a bit more level-headed than some of the wannabe Charles Bronsons on this thread, but I think the worst thing I'd do would be to call him "a little pr*ck" or some such, and maybe grab him by the collar.
But I honestly can't fathom a right-minded adult wanting to assault a child for giving him a kick up the bottom.
Especially if you're on your hands and knees! If ten 12-year olds pass you while in such a position, one of them is going to kick you!

con___manx1 wrote: »

one of my friends got a head butt paddy's day in Waterford he was wearing a tall hat the knacker took it off my mates head.
none of us are the fighting type especially my friend who got headbutted. he honestly wouldn't say boo to a goose.
me and my mate went over to the knack and said he better give the hat back.he laughed in our faces. at the exact same time me and my mate threw a punch at him both striking his face. i got the hat and walked off. he will think twice next time knacker.

What do you expect walking around Waterford wearing a top hat?

Greentopia

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

We're already spending billions in supporting the ne'er do wells. How many more billion shall it take?

Billions spent on what? I think you're thinking of the banking white collar criminals, not blue collar juveniles . Welfare spending has nothing to do with early childhood intervention and crime prevention measures.

And however much is spent on prevention saves the State multiples on criminalising and incarcerating people.

Lelantos

The King of Moo wrote: »

Kick him in the shin?

Give him a Chinese burn?

Something equally trivial

Dunno, Jamie Bolger springs to mind,

The King of Moo

candy-gal1 wrote: »

Jesus h christ! :mad:
Some random stranger walks by you, invades your personal space and basically assaults you, unprovoked and for no reason at all except to "have the craic wi me mates", "look cool" or whatever, then yeah your basically entitled to defend yourself in whatever way you can imho.

Maybe Im wrong, but if anyone makes the first punch/kick what have you intentionally towards you for little/no reason then you can go to town on them as self defense tbh.

It seems to be only a few areas left in the city where you can just go about your business without any hassle from scangers/scumbags, or maybe Ive just been living in the area im in too long

Hyperbole is all well and good, but all that happened is a child kicked his bottom when it was a very visible target, not a serious assault.

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

He stabbed the lad in the sack with a trowel, Not unzipped his jeans, whipped out his shlong and sucked him off. :rolleyes:

*raises eyebrows, adds "stabbing child in the groin with a trowel" to list of things it's apparentl ok to do*

steddyeddy

If I get "attacked" by some twelve year old am I to go for his private parts too?

Greentopia

wesf wrote: »

It's attitudes like yours and that old mans that has the scum knowing they can get away with anything.
Crockholm was dead right, bet that dirtbag thought twice before doing anything like that again.

The only lesson he probably learned is in future to pick on people more his own size or those who look smaller, weaker or more vulnerable than him.

Violence begets violence and solves nothing.

0ph0rce0

The King of Moo wrote: »

Hyperbole is all well and good, but all that happened is a child kicked his bottom when it was a very visible target, not a serious assault.



*raises eyebrows, adds "stabbing child in the groin with a trowel" to list of things it's apparentl ok to do*

Yes when the little scum bag boots you up the hole, anything goes.

The King of Moo

Lelantos wrote: »

Dunno, Jamie Bolger springs to mind,

Bottom-kicking to child-murder?

Wild leaps of logic spring to mind.

Lelantos

steddyeddy wrote: »

If I get "attacked" by some twelve year old am I to go for his private parts too?

No Father, prob a bad idea in your case

jimgoose

steddyeddy wrote: »

If I get "attacked" by some twelve year old am I to go for his private parts too?

Of course not! Behead him with a Bushman saw. That gets their attention big-time.

scopper

scopper wrote: »

I'm curious where you are walking? Do you mean getting asked for change/smokes, etc.? That's pretty common anyway. And it's the price of living in a big city. You'll have the experience in London or Barcelona or Paris. It's part of life and surely always has been. You just ignore them.

No, I mean several instances of being randomly punched/slapped, a mugging and quite a bit of serious harassment. I don't consider being asked for smoke or change a problem.

And no, it's NOT the price of living in a big city. This is something Irish people love to say to make themselves feel better. It's NOT NORMAL to walk around your city half-expecting to get a slap from some random knacker. I've lived in London, New York, Brussels, Toulouse and Seville among other places and not once have I ever experienced the level of mindless, inane violence I regularly witness in Dublin. I do watch myself in London more than I would elsewhere, but even there, there's way less hassle in the centre of the city.

Lelantos

steddyeddy wrote: »

If I get "attacked" by some twelve year old am I to go for his private parts too?

In fairness, heat of the moment & all that, the guy was assaulted, reactions are expected, to what degree, opinions differ

Seachmall

The King of Moo wrote: »

*raises eyebrows, adds "stabbing child in the groin with a trowel" to list of things it's apparentl ok to do*

I know! Isn't this discussion great!

Where else on the internet will you come across people arguing in favour of "interfering" with children with trowels as a form of punishment?!

Oh God, I love AH sooooooo much.

Lelantos wrote: »

In fairness, heat of the moment & all that, the guy was assaulted, reactions are expected, to what degree, opinions differ

But what sort of man's first response is to grab a trowel and think "groiny-stabby! groiny-stabby!" when eyeing up a child?!

Dear lord, I think I might cry!

Lelantos

The King of Moo wrote: »

Bottom-kicking to child-murder?

Wild leaps of logic spring to mind.

Maybe, but an a teen that has no fear attacking an adult will certainly have none attacking a child.

Festy

We need vigilantes in this country and we ****ing need them now.

Kirby92

Just fake a Russian accent. Problem solved.

Seachmall

Seachmall wrote: »

I know! Isn't this discussion great!

Where else on the internet will you come across people arguing in favour of "interfering" with children with trowels as a form of punishment?!

Oh God, I love AH sooooooo much.


But what sort of man's first response is to grab a trowel and think "groiny-stabby! groiny-stabby!"?!

Dear lord, I think I might cry!

So you're calling him a pedophile, is it?

The King of Moo

Lelantos wrote: »

Maybe, but an a teen that has no fear attacking an adult will certainly have none attacking a child.

Ah come on, kicking someone in the rump while it's sticking up in the air is hardly an "attack!"

I'd find that target a little difficult to resist.

The King of Moo

The King of Moo wrote: »

Ah come on, kicking someone in the rump while it's sticking up in the air is hardly an "attack!"

Do you get many kicks up the arse during your work day?

Seachmall

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

So you're calling him a pedophile, is it?

Of course not. I think it's clear there was nothing sexual about what happened but the absolute lunacy of the whole thing has me grinning madly while shaking my head in disapproval.

Lelantos

The King of Moo wrote: »

Ah come on, kicking someone in the rump while it's sticking up in the air is hardly an "attack!"

I, as a 32yo man am walking down the street & I see an 9 months pregnant woman bending over to pick up her purse & I think, yep! Bishop Brennan time & I kick her up the hole, do I j ust saunter on down the street humming a merry tune or does someone interfere with me with a gardening implement?

The King of Moo

I feel I should point out that a few weeks ago I was reading in Eyre Square in Galway when a man who was intoxicated in some manner kicked over a bin, then called me a "rat" as he walked past, then indicated to a passerby that I was a "ratbastard." (For the record, as far I'm aware, I'm neither a "rat" nor a "ratbastard."

A few years ago while walking a quiet road, a man squared up to me as though to fight me.

On a small number of occasions, people driving past have called me names I can never really hear properly, partly due to surprise and the doppler effect.

On none of these occasions have I ever reacted, as I wasn't offended and I didn't see the point.

Was I wrong? Should I have gouged out their eyes with a screwdriver? Stuck a spade up their arses? Worried their ears with a pliers?

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Do you get many kicks up the arse during your work day?

Eh, no, but I've lived a long and full life and have received a few kicks to the posterior in my time, none of which hurt.

Ilik Urgee

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Jesus Christ.

Augmerson's the Messiah?

In fairness, that's "a call to arms" if ever there was one. It's like standing in front of a wild beast- scream as loud as you can and stand as tall as you can-they'll back down.

The King of Moo

Lelantos wrote: »

I, as a 32yo man am walking down the street & I see an 9 months pregnant woman bending over to pick up her purse & I think, yep! Bishop Brennan time & I kick her up the hole, do I j ust saunter on down the street humming a merry tune or does someone interfere with me with a gardening implement?

I don't see the comparison between a 32-year old man kicking a heavily-pregnant woman in the arse while she's bending over and off balance, and a 12-year old with his friends kicking a big, grown man in the arse while he's on his hands and knees.

Am I missing something?

dutopia

Happened to my wife a few weeks ago in Temple Bar... gave her a fright and she's pregnant too. Wanted to knock the head off him but he'd gone when I got there.

keelanj69

The King of Moo wrote: »

Eh, no, but I've lived a long and full life and have received a few kicks to the posterior in my time, none of which hurt.

So you don't care about the principle of the thing so long as it didn't hurt?

Lelantos

The King of Moo wrote: »

I don't see the comparison between a 32-year old man kicking a heavily-pregnant woman in the arse while she's bending over and off balance, and a 12-year old with his friends kicking a big, grown man in the arse while he's on his hands and knees.

Am I missing something?

Yes, quite obviously

Seachmall

Lelantos wrote: »

Yes, quite obviously

You're comparing a kid acting the bollix to be a big man on front of his friends to a man potentially causing serious harm to a woman and her unborn child.

That's not like with like.

candy-gal1

Seachmall wrote: »

You're comparing a kid acting the bollix to be a big man on front of his friends to a man potentially causing serious harm to a woman and her unborn child.

That's not like with like.

This is what gets me tbh, the fact that most people seem to think that harrasing/abusing etc a pregnant woman is somehow worse than doing the same to any other person :rolleyes:
Again, correct me if im wrong, but is it not just as bad whether the person is pregnant or not?! Man, woman, pregnant woman, child etc, If you unprovokably and for no real reason cause abuse etc to them then you got to expect some kind of consequence tbh.

dj jarvis

TroutMask wrote: »

My impression of Dublin is not based on a single anecdote. It has been built up over the 35 years that I have lived and worked in Dublin.

and yet its so bad, you chose to still live in modern day Sodom ??

you are either fiercely unlucky and attract these kind of demonic drug zombies that follow you around,

or.............

you are a drama queen.

funny - constantly gets ranked in the top ten of these must see or live in city's by rough guide and the like.

maybe its just you - i suggest you move - its in everyone's interest.

Seachmall

candy-gal1 wrote: »

This is what gets me tbh, the fact that most people seem to think that harrasing/abusing etc a pregnant woman is somehow worse than doing the same to any other person :rolleyes:
Again, correct me if im wrong, but is it not just as bad whether the person is pregnant or not?!

They're all bad but a pregnant woman is far more vulnerable and far more susceptible to serious injury than a fully grown man.

I really can't believe someone needs to make the point that kicking a pregnant woman is worse than booting a man up the arse.

Man, woman, pregnant woman, child etc, If you unprovokably and for no real reason cause abuse etc to them then you got to expect some kind of consequence tbh.

No doubt, but there are limits to what constitutes as reasonable retribution imo.

Lelantos

Seachmall wrote: »

You're comparing a kid acting the bollix to be a big man on front of his friends to a man potentially causing serious harm to a woman and her unborn child.

That's not like with like.

Unprovoked assault is unprovoked assault. The extreme case was to show that if it's not acceptable or lawful in that case, it isn't in the other..

Seachmall

Lelantos wrote: »

Unprovoked assault is unprovoked assault.

That's not true. Not even the law sees it that way. We give the courts the discretion to assign varying sentences depending on the perceived severity or malice of the assault.

The extreme case was to show that if it's not acceptable or lawful in that case, it isn't in the other..

Nobody suggested it was acceptable or lawful in any case.

candy-gal1

Seachmall wrote: »

They're all bad but a pregnant woman is far more vulnerable and far more susceptible to serious injury than a fully grown man.

I really can't believe someone needs to make the point that kicking a pregnant woman is worse than booting a man up the arse.

No doubt, but there are limits to what constitutes as reasonable retribution imo.

I agree with you on that tbh, but whether theres a risk of serious injury or not,no -one should randomly just cause that type of hassle and basically assult to anyone for no known reason like that.

If I really wanted to go into it, I could say that being pregnant is a choice so being extra careful is on your own head really, but just going about your daily business on a day to day basis is kinda a basic human right imho.
But, methinks saying that is going to possibly open up a whole can of worms on this thread, well see!

On a lighter note, just noticed this, keep reading the thread title in my head as

Knackers trying to scare people by shouting in faeces.

TroutMask

dj jarvis wrote: »

and yet its so bad, you chose to still live in modern day Sodom ??

you are either fiercely unlucky and attract these kind of demonic drug zombies that follow you around,

or.............

you are a drama queen.

funny - constantly gets ranked in the top ten of these must see or live in city's by rough guide and the like.

maybe its just you - i suggest you move - its in everyone's interest.

:rolleyes: I'm currently not living in Dublin.