Knackers trying to scare people by shouting in faces.

Galwayguy35

9959 wrote: »

Red Herrings on the Red Line

You're making a direct link between antisocial behaviour and unemployment, I'll take a wild guess and say that a large number of people 'minding their own business' on the Luas are unemployed.

Any talk of next generation lowlife 'breeding' always makes me feel slightly uneasy, next stop Eugenics.

By the way, how many 12 to 13 year olds are, or should be, employed?
There's not the call for Chimney Sweeps that there once was, central heating and all that, we're gone soft, bring back hanging etc.

There is a world of difference between being unemployed and looking for work and not wanting to work to save your life as I'm sure you well know.

Secondly I never said anything about 13 year olds being employed at anything, what I did say was that the skangers were about that age.

Maybe read the post you are replying to a little more closely next time.

Christ the Redeemer

Punch them in the throat. It's extremely effective.

feargale

fryup wrote: »

why do the irish always have to resort to violence??
why not take the gandhi stance

Because Gandhi was effective only because the world was watching. How effective do you think the Gandhi stance would have been at Dunkirk in 1940? Horses for courses! If I were being mugged or worse by some thugs in our capital city I'd like to experience the response if I tried to be Gandhi, or tried telling them about him. I could see the whole of the world's press descending on Upper O'Connell Street to bear witness, while passers-by and nearby shopkeepers looked the other way, and the Gardai were too busy/under-resourced to investigate.

calanus

fryup wrote: »

why do the irish always have to resort to violence??

why not take the gandhi stance

He was normally sitting though wasn't he?

Witcher

fryup wrote: »

why do the irish always have to resort to violence??

why not take the gandhi stance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Y1KAHVWhU

Dostoevsky

fryup wrote: »

why do the irish always have to resort to violence?

Stupid bigoted comment. If anything the Irish have not resorted to violence enough, as a cursory glance at a map where 17% of Ireland remains under foreign rule today shows.

What next? The Tibetans can defeat the Chinese by continuing their non-violence for another 60 years of Chinese massacres and colonialism?

9959

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

There is a world of difference between being unemployed and looking for work and not wanting to work to save your life as I'm sure you well know.

Secondly I never said anything about 13 year olds being employed at anything, what I did say was that the skangers were about that age.

Maybe read the post you are replying to a little more closely next time.

You made a link between antisocial behaviour and unemployment, perhaps you should read your own post.

Gmol

9959 wrote: »

Or indeed, The Len Ganley stance.

"Keep your arms as rigid as a juggernaut
Clench your fists, point your knuckles straight ahead
Do your best to look like a teddy bear
Then try and pretend to look vertically dead"

Or the Declan Ganley stance, stand tall, look them in the eye and engage in a frank discussion on why European integration is an outrage. That'll show them.

9959

Gmol wrote: »

Or the Declare Ganley stance, stand tall, look them in the eye and engage in a frank discussion on why European integration is an outrage. That'll show them.

Well personally I find myself in disagreement with Declan Ganley - or Declare Ganley as he's known in Brussels - on almost everything.

So the late Len Ganley, yes.
Declare Ganley, no.

Vincent Vega

I was walking west along the quays towards Smithfield area, building side of the street in the early evening a couple of months back and there were a bunch of scumbag kids walking the same direction on the river side.

They started throwing apples indiscriminately at people.
One of them came pretty close to hitting me head with a cooking apple. Judging by its disintegrating into the wall and the size of it it probably would have knocked me out the speed it was thrown.

Anyone ever came across this?

Lelantos

Vincent Vega wrote: »

I was walking west along the quays towards Smithfield area, building side of the street in the early evening a couple of months back and there were a bunch of scumbag kids walking the same direction on the river side.

They started throwing apples indiscriminately at people.
One of them came pretty close to hitting me head with a cooking apple. Judging by its disintegrating into the wall and the size of it it probably would have knocked me out the speed it was thrown.

Anyone ever came across this?

Yeah, it was a drive by fruiting

0ph0rce0

I'd have no problem standing up to any of these cúnts, no matter what size or how hard they look.

But when it comes to travellers, not a hope.

Remember seeing the smallest, skinniest knack whack at some fair a few years ago. Honestly looked about 10.

He did that game where you punch the bag and it measures your power, you know where the bag comes down and you punch it back up.

Sat looking saying this will be funny, then BOOOOOM!!!!

Machine topples over.

Not saying they are all that strong but fúck me, put me off ever standing up to them.

Frank Lee Midere

9959 wrote: »

Red Herrings on the Red Line

You're making a direct link between antisocial behaviour and unemployment, I'll take a wild guess and say that a large number of people 'minding their own business' on the Luas are unemployed.

Any talk of next generation lowlife 'breeding' always makes me feel slightly uneasy, next stop Eugenics.

By the way, how many 12 to 13 year olds are, or should be, employed?
There's not the call for Chimney Sweeps that there once was, central heating and all that, we're gone soft, bring back hanging etc.

Even Karl Marx made the distinction between the pool of reserve workers - the unemployed proletariat - and the lumpen proletariat who were never available for work. He hated the latter.

craic34

omg!! in comparison with this, eggs throwing is something sweet :-s

DEFTLEFTHAND

We've always had a knacker problem in my town, the council placed a halting site years back before I was born. I went to Primary school with many of these folk, in fairness most of them were decent enough, hard men all the same. There was a prearranged fight one lunchtime and I took a blow to the stomach from a knacker. It winded me and I was out of commission, I was never a brawler anyway, a middle class puppy who wasn't able to use his hands.

Roll on 17 years and a lot of these chaps I knew back then are in jail. One guy stole a lorry from a local haulage company yard last Christmas Day. Petty enough crimes but even in my youth in school I could tell the paths they would take, they had nothing going for them.

9959

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Even Karl Marx made the distinction between the pool of reserve workers - the unemployed proletariat - and the lumpen proletariat who were never available for work. He hated the latter.

Chimney sweeps want to work, it's just that there's very little work available. They're really angels with sooty faces, stop picking on them.

A spectre is haunting the Red Line, the spectre of pesky 12 year olds shouting, and stuff.

Galwayguy35

9959 wrote: »

Chimney sweeps want to work, it's just that there's very little work available. They're really angels with sooty faces, stop picking on them.

A spectre is haunting the Red Line, the spectre of pesky 12 year olds shouting, and stuff.

Well maybe if you were on the receiving end of being shouted at like the people I saw it happening to ya might not be so outraged that people voice their dislike of such behaviour. Most of us don't go around shouting at strangers minding their own business.

As to another point you quoted me on, I know what my own post says, "getting a job is an alien concept to them" meaning they make no effort to look for work.

Big difference there between that and someone who is unemployed through no fault of their own.

Pkiernan

There is a valid argument for the government to determine where such scumbags live and carpet bombing every residence within a 500m radius.

Odds are very likely this would have beneficial affects on society.

If one wanted to eliminate the possibility of innocent collateral damage you just let people know of the intended impending cleansing when they are at work.

biko

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Even Karl Marx made the distinction between the pool of reserve workers - the unemployed proletariat - and the lumpen proletariat who were never available for work. He hated the latter.

I don't think he hated them as much as he didn't see them participating in a revolution. They had more to gain from status quo that rebellion.

9959

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Well maybe if you were on the receiving end of being shouted at like the people I saw it happening to ya might not be so outraged that people voice their dislike of such behaviour. Most of us don't go around shouting at strangers minding their own business.

As to another point you quoted me on, I know what my own post says, "getting a job is an alien concept to them" meaning they make no effort to look for work.

Big difference there between that and someone who is unemployed through no fault of their own.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, you must have believed that unemployment was a salient factor in any discussion on antisocial behaviour, otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to have brought it up in the first place.
The fact that you now qualify what you say with: "unemployed through no fault of their own" bodes well for any future contributions you might make in the future, good luck to you!

Frank Lee Midere

biko wrote: »

I don't think he hated them as much as the didn't see them participating in a revolution. They had more to gain from status quo that rebellion.

That's true about the revolution but he didn't like them as a class either.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Pkiernan wrote: »

There is a valid argument for the government to determine where such scumbags live and carpet bombing every residence within a 500m radius.
QUOTE]
Perhaps you would care to elaborate, especially on the alleged validity of this arguement that you appear to be proposing.

Frank Lee Midere

9959 wrote: »

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, you must have believed that unemployment was a salient factor in any discussion on antisocial behaviour, otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to have brought it up in the first place.
The fact that you now qualify what you say with: "unemployed through no fault of their own" bodes well for any future contributions you might make in the future, good luck to you!

He qualified to begin with. He said people who would never work and we know what class he means.

Most everybody on the red line is working class, some unemployed . The shouters are lumpen proles.

And in general the defence of the Lumpens tends to come from the upper middle classes. It's a form of status seeking, if the red line is for the working poor and middle then to hell with their comfort if you are on the green line or in daddy's merc.

micar

had an incident with a Traveller a few years ago.

Had driven up to the local Eurospar. There isn't a lot of parking spaces. There is a section of 3 parking spaces and I parked in the middle one and headed into the shop. when I came outside there was white van parked on the road blocking my car and the two other from being able to reverse out. With this place, you can't drive forward.

I told the drive (who had gotten out of the van) that he was blocking my way out and that would he move his van. He told me he;d be only a few mins the shop. I told him that I was leaving now and that not alone was he blocking my car but 2 others/ There was a car with the people in it also wanting to leave and pointed this out to him. Also told him that you cannot be blocking people like that.

The them became very aggressive and told me to "shut the fu_k up you baldy ****er". I am thinning on top (have no issues with that) and I keep my hair quite tight. He was a small stout gut who would be able to kick the crap out of me.
I wasn't willing to back down. I though he was going to lay into me.

Knowing that I was not going to back down, he eventually got into the van and drove up our of way.

There was no way I was going to allow him to keep me waiting.

9959

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah I saw something similar on the Red Line, this couple minding their own business when 3 skangers about 12 or 13 started shouting abuse at them.

I felt really sorry for them to have to put up with that kind of thing.

Worst thing is pond life like that have nothing else to do but breed the next generation of lowlifes, because getting a job is an alien concept to them.

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

He qualified to begin with. He said people who would never work and we know what class he means.

Most everybody on the red line is working class, some unemployed . The shouters are lumpen proles.

And in general the defence of the Lumpens tends to come from the upper middle classes. It's a form of status seeking, if the red line is for the working poor and middle then to hell with their comfort if you are on the green line or in daddy's merc.

micar wrote: »

had an incident with a Traveller a few years ago.

Had driven up to the local Eurospar. There isn't a lot of parking spaces. There is a section of 3 parking spaces and I parked in the middle one and headed into the shop. when I came outside there was white van parked on the road blocking my car and the two other from being able to reverse out. With this place, you can't drive forward.

I told the drive (who had gotten out of the van) that he was blocking my way out and that would he move his van. He told me he;d be only a few mins the shop. I told him that I was leaving now and that not alone was he blocking my car but 2 others/ There was a car with the people in it also wanting to leave and pointed this out to him. Also told him that you cannot be blocking people like that.

The them became very aggressive and told me to "shut the fu_k up you baldy ****er". I am thinning on top (have no issues with that) and I keep my hair quite tight. He was a small stout gut who would be able to kick the crap out of me.
I wasn't willing to back down. I though he was going to lay into me.

Knowing that I was not going to back down, he eventually got into the van and drove up our of way.

There was no way I was going to allow him to keep me waiting.

Roll up, roll up, a doubleplusgood thread where you can have a pop at the working class of Dublin and Travellers too, AH heaven for some it seems.
Fill your boots!

Frank Lee Midere

9959 wrote: »

Roll up, roll up, a doubleplusgood thread where you can have a pop at the working class of Dublin and Travellers too, AH heaven for some it seems.
Fill your boots!

You don't seen to be able to read. My attacks have been on two classes.

1) the lumpen proletariat.
2) the upper middle class defenders of the Lumpens.

I also quite clearly distinguished between Lumpens and working class people. Like most bourgeois you are attacking the working classes - most people on the red line - by defending Lumpens. The people complaining about anti social behaviour on the red line are working class. You don't care because you are not on that line.

Neither am i but I doubt the workers on the line are lying.

mad muffin

9959 wrote: »

Roll up, roll up, a doubleplusgood thread where you can have a pop at the working class of Dublin and Travellers too, AH heaven for some it seems.
Fill your boots!

Well if the shoe fits...

micar

9959 wrote: »

Roll up, roll up, a doubleplusgood thread where you can have a pop at the working class of Dublin and Travellers too, AH heaven for some it seems.
Fill your boots!

No offence, I've never have this done to me before.

I would never do it to someone else. I'm working class!!!!!!

This guy blocked me and thought he could bully me. I stood up to him.

Typical traveller tactic!!!!!!!!

9959

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

You don't seen to be able to read. My attacks have been on two classes.

1) the lumpen proletariat.
2) the upper middle class defenders of the Lumpens.

I also quite clearly distinguished between Lumpens and working class people. Like most bourgeois you are attacking the working classes - most people on the red line - by defending Lumpens. The people complaining about anti social behaviour on the red line are working class. You don't care because you are not on that line.

Neither am i but I doubt the workers on the line are lying.

The above post is gloriously redeemed by the final line, making it one of the funniest I've read in a long time.
Good luck to you!

9959

mad muffin wrote: »

Well if the shoe fits...

If you don't know the difference between a shoe and a boot, then you haven't a leg to stand on.

One boring anecdote concerning a 'traveller', so what?

mad muffin

9959 wrote: »

If you don't know the difference between a shoe and a boot, then you haven't a leg to stand on.

One boring anecdote concerning a 'traveller', so what?

What you sayin? The poor and the travella only wear boots?

Frank Lee Midere

9959 wrote: »

The above post is gloriously redeemed by the final line, making it one of the funniest I've read in a long time.
Good luck to you!

What's funny about it? Seriously? The fact that I don't live on the line( why would I have to. I live in a different working class area on the North side). The fact that I called the people who are complaining workers? What else would they be. The red line is not in general for the managerial classes.


It's hard to tell because you don't say. The substantive part of my argument -- that you are a middle class class warrior defending the anti socials from your rich Dublin Southside suburb, and can afford to be sanguine about anti social attacks on the working classes on the red line -- still stands.

feargale

The people I feel most sorry for are not the educated well-employed people ( i.e. most of the people in boards ) who occasionally experience the bad behaviour recounted here, though they are indeed entitled to sympathy, but rather the decent people living in less salubrious areas ( i.e. the vast majority of people in those areas ) who have to put up with this stuff day after day, and whose existence is consequently a living hell. These are mostly vulnerable people who have neither the education nor the financial resources necessary to combat this bullying. They pack no punch in city hall. They are often poor, elderly or infirm or all three. Tis grand to be living in a nice area, saying " so what " to those who cite an isolated bad experience, and turning it into a class issue. No Marxist or Socialist state was ever as tolerant of gratuitous bullying as we are. Racist to say that of Ireland? Were liberal whites in the American South racist when they denounced their white supremacist neighbours?

kiffer

Had one this morning cycling down O'Connell street this morning... as I came up to a set of lights I saw a fella looking at me, not watching traffic but looking specifically at me... There was a moment of eye contact just before I passed him and I thought "here we go..." which is just when he took a half step forward and shouted and swung a punch into the palm of his hand. I was expecting something shouty so I didn't jerk out into the road, thankfully.
He got no outward reaction from me and I was expecting it so I didn't get startled.
It was just dangerous and annoying.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

I was in AMerica recently for the first time and noticed a distinct lack of this sort on the streets. NOw leaving aside America's many many many other social problems, why don't they have problems with anti social behavior from certain sections of the community. I'd be inclined to think it is because of their no nonsense policing approach. What ye think?

Lelantos

Stanley Tinkling Buddy wrote: »

I was in AMerica recently for the first time and noticed a distinct lack of this sort on the streets. NOw leaving aside America's many many many other social problems, why don't they have problems with anti social behavior from certain sections of the community. I'd be inclined to think it is because of their no nonsense policing approach. What ye think?

No, it's because all the shouty feckers have guns over there , its a case of shoot first, shout later

kiffer

Stanley Tinkling Buddy wrote: »

I was in AMerica recently for the first time and noticed a distinct lack of this sort on the streets. NOw leaving aside America's many many many other social problems, why don't they have problems with anti social behavior from certain sections of the community. I'd be inclined to think it is because of their no nonsense policing approach. What ye think?

A combination of things... different style of policing, the guns, if someone jumps out at you they're more likely to kill you so you're more likely to shoot them?
Or maybe you just don't find yourself walking within a stone's throw of where the people hang out...?

dan1895

kiffer wrote: »

Had one this morning cycling down O'Connell street this morning... as I came up to a set of lights I saw a fella looking at me, not watching traffic but looking specifically at me... There was a moment of eye contact just before I passed him and I thought "here we go..." which is just when he took a half step forward and shouted and swung a punch into the palm of his hand. I was expecting something shouty so I didn't jerk out into the road, thankfully.
He got no outward reaction from me and I was expecting it so I didn't get startled.
It was just dangerous and annoying.

Had a few incidents like this happen to me before while cycling, but thankfully not on O'Connell St.

gctest50

Need to get this man over here for a while

DEFTLEFTHAND

Have Pavee Point made a statement yet on that filthy performance at the Baltinglass blessings of the graves.

Is that a time or place to air your dirty laundry? Terrible behaviour.

SEPT 23 1989

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Have Pavee Point made a statement yet on that filthy performance at the Baltinglass blessings of the graves.

Is that a time or place to air your dirty laundry? Terrible behaviour.

a very religious people apart from the murders,theft and dancing on peoples graves

the purple tin

gctest50 wrote: »

Need to get this man over here for a while

Put him in the ring, Joe

BeerWolf

Not been to Dublin City in awhile... I'm curious now! :pac:

Rasheed

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Have Pavee Point made a statement yet on that filthy performance at the Baltinglass blessings of the graves.

Is that a time or place to air your dirty laundry? Terrible behaviour.

What happened there D?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Rasheed wrote: »

What happened there D?

A family feud between two traveller families broke out into violence before the ceremony started. Stones were pelted and hurleys and golfclubs were used. It terrified many of the people who were there standing by their family plot. The Gardai did a great job in dispersing them, some members suffered physical injury for their efforts. It just goes to show what kind of crap the regular guys in our police force have to put up with.

wexie

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A family feud between two traveller families broke out into violence before the ceremony started. Stones were pelted and hurleys and golfclubs were used. It terrified many of the people who were there standing by their family plot. The Gardai did a great job in dispersing them, some members suffered physical injury for their efforts. It just goes to show what kind of crap the regular guys in our police force have to put up with.

That they just 'happened' to have with them? What kind of person brings a hurley or a golfclub to such a ceremony?

Sounds to me like the violence was planned in advance.

DEFTLEFTHAND

wexie wrote: »

That they just 'happened' to have with them? What kind of person brings a hurley or a golfclub to such a ceremony?

Sounds to me like the violence was planned in advance.

Oh it was prearranged, they'd hidden weapons in parts of the cemetery.

A local woman described the scene very well on Joe Duffy on Tuesday.

wexie

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Oh it was prearranged, they'd hidden weapons in parts of the cemetery.

A local woman described the scene very well on Joe Duffy on Tuesday.

culture right.....? Be awful bigoted of someone to comment they're scum

mickydoomsux

wexie wrote: »

culture right.....? Be awful bigoted of someone to comment they're scum

"Shure, it's only the minority of them making the majority look bad. Settled society is the same".

A minority of hundreds of them. Also, i don't remember large groups of settled people planning pitched battles in graveyards any time recently.

We are all so dishonest about the traveler problem in this country.

Henlars67

wexie wrote: »

That they just 'happened' to have with them? What kind of person brings a hurley or a golfclub to such a ceremony?

Sounds to me like the violence was planned in advance.

You may be on to something there Sherlock