**HL English Paper 2 Before/After **

Sporty_Kate

I thought 'provocative imagery' was like sexy imagery and all that?

How does that relate to Plath, or have I gotten the definition for provocative wrong?

And Wordsworth is a slattt

I'm pretty sure the soliloquies were required for the character? They are the "insights into his mind" after all?

buyer95

The more I think about that paper the more worried I'm getting. I loved the question on Mahon, the cultural context was quite good but that Macbeth question was terrible. You really needed to know your
soliloquy's and I didn't. I knew quotes and parts of soliloquy's, I would have done the other question but that was worse. Disappointed.

ronanc1000

Sporty_Kate wrote: »

I thought 'provocative imagery' was like sexy imagery and all that?

How does that relate to Plath, or have I gotten the definition for provocative wrong?

And Wordsworth is a slattt

I took provocative as something something people can respond to..

Slow Show

0mega wrote: »

I'm actually surprised at how positively received the paper is! I thought when I first opened it people would be unhappy, despite Plath's appearance.

Everyone in my exam centre opened it and there was just an outbreak of laughter, everyone was so relieved at the comparative and poets. Afterwards though most people I talked to weren't too pleased with Macbeth!

I think the poets do tend to take on a disproportionate importance though and as soon as people saw nice ones (I don't know many people that didn't study all three of Plath, Mahon and Bishop), that was enough to make it a nice paper for a lot of people I'd say.

Informaniac

007driver wrote: »

Im the same with you, never waffeled so much :cool:

Although it was a good paper I didnt know I could waffle until today........hmmm I still havent figured out how I forgot the name of my fouth poem from Mahon...hmmm

RML

Aced Theme/Issue
Aced Plath
Aced The fist
Failed Macbeth :mad:

Phoenix Wright

Spelled patriachal wrong also didn't mention the banquet scene at all for the insight to Macbeth's mindset but ah sure. At least I'll never have to do English again (I hope).

Informaniac

Can somebody pls explain to me what that poem The Fish was on about and what the question two about poets use of language was asking please I am loosing it.

Sporty_Kate

Feel like **** after this exam, cause everyone is so happy with it #FML

Phoenix Wright

thegreatescape wrote: »

I did it like that too, basically did a Macbeth character development and just made extra reference to how the things I wrote gave me an insight into his character and mindset..

Looks like I'm with ye on that :P am I the only person who forgot to mention the banquet scene?

Vito Corleone

Informaniac wrote: »

Can somebody pls explain to me what that poem The Fish was on about and what the question two about poets use of language was asking please I am loosing it.

It was called "The Fist", I interpreted it as a poem about love and the pain that love can inflict etc... I wouldn't worry too much about it tbh, it's only worth 5% in total I think. I ran out of time and only got about a page done on it.

Sporty_Kate

Is anybody elses brain fried after that 3hr 20min long exam?

Im wrecked!!

mossy95

shinigamidani wrote: »

Here's what I have

Poetry: Bishop, Plath, Hopkins, Mahon

Woah you are lucky!

RedPeppers

Sporty_Kate wrote: »

Feel like **** after this exam, cause everyone is so happy with it #FML

People could be happy coming out of exam that they didn't fail, someone else could be unhappy coming out because they don't think they got an A. Just because people were happy with the paper don't mean they aced it and vice versa, be happy its over

007driver

Vito Corleone wrote: »

It was called "The Fist", I interpreted it as a poem about love and the pain that love can inflict etc... I wouldn't worry too much about it tbh, it's only worth 5% in total I think. I ran out of time and only got about a page done on it.

i think the fish was on ordinary.

I thought the fist was called the first so I wrote about first love . oops

Aksa94

I said it was about he he kinda obsessively loved her and his love was not returned. Is that what it's about. Also how long we're the two ten markers supposed to be

Slow Show

Aksa94 wrote: »

I said it was about he he kinda obsessively loved her and his love was not returned. Is that what it's about. Also how long we're the two ten markers supposed to be

It doesn't really matter what you said as long as you backed it up tbh. I dunno about the length, I did 3/4 page on each, I'd say less would have sufficed though.

ray2012

Ah, I felt that paper went quite horribly for me! For that Macbeth question I had never revised or attempted a question on imagery before so that was out of the equation. I was left with doing the other one. I didn't mention the soliloquies either. I kind of just went on about how other characters talked about him/his actions and how these gave us an insight into his mind and character.. Comparative went ok I think. Poetry went quite terrible. Hopkins and Shakespeare were my two favourite, and had intended answering on one of those. I see Hopkins comes up, read the question, and can't even understand it <___< Being silly me I just guessed at it's meaning and went answering it, and then half way through my answer I was like "well I don't think this is what it means anymore. I don't know what it means O__o", so I kinda scrapped that, finished the other questions, and then went back to poetry. At this stage, I decided to do Bishop cause I couldn't understand Hopkins' Q at all. I didn't like the Bishop question at all but I had to attempt it. Got 3 pages of bull**** about it, think I answered it wrong, though. -___- Had time at the end so I went back and put a conclusion to my Hopkins essay, so I got 2 pages on him. I just left both my poetry answers there, didn't cross off any, so both will be corrected and the highest mark I'll get. I thought the poets that came up were great, but the questions on them were extremely tricky. Macbeth Q overall was horrible I thought. I got an A2 in the mocks, think I'll be down to a C2/C3 after paper 1 and 2

Arah, it's done now, no point stressing over it! #RantOver :P

RML

Aksa94 wrote: »

I said it was about he he kinda obsessively loved her and his love was not returned. Is that what it's about. Also how long we're the two ten markers supposed to be

That's the exact thing what I wrote! :P

SecondMan

On Macbeth I answered the imagery question. This was my plan:
Par 1- Blood after slaying of MacDonwald.
Par 2- The witches being ugly + their spells
Par 3 - Blood after Duncan's murder
Par 4 - Banquo's murder + his ghost
Par 5 - Nature - darkness, disease, famine etc.

For the "effective" part of the question, I just discussed how it helped the reader see Macbeth's real conscience, his morals, the witches evil power and how Macbeth's tyrannical rule destroyed Scotland and himself?

Does this look okay? I wrote 4 and a bit pages overall and included quotes frequently?

0mega

I'm relieved to see the most seemed to not write about soliloquays either. Strength in numbers, they can't say we're wrong now!

D_s

For The aul Fist, I didn't want to go with the obvious emotion (love) so I wrote about his manic obsession/mania as the emotion, now I'm worried that I over thought it and will be penalised for not just going with the obvious answer :P

Anyone do anything besides Love for 1(i)?

Thataone

0mega wrote: »

I'm relieved to see the most seemed to not write about soliloquays either. Strength in numbers, they can't say we're wrong now!

I'm in the same boat! I've no idea how it went really overall, think I did a half decent paper but sometimes what I think is good turns out to be bull and vice versa so no idea where I'm standing after that, oh well it's done now!

HugsiePie

SecondMan wrote: »

On Macbeth I answered the imagery question. This was my plan:
Par 1- Blood after slaying of MacDonwald.
Par 2- The witches being ugly + their spells
Par 3 - Blood after Duncan's murder
Par 4 - Banquo's murder + his ghost
Par 5 - Nature - darkness, disease, famine etc.

For the "effective" part of the question, I just discussed how it helped the reader see Macbeth's real conscience, his morals, the witches evil power and how Macbeth's tyrannical rule destroyed Scotland and himself?

Does this look okay? I wrote 4 and a bit pages overall and included quotes frequently?

You put my essay to shame, SHAME!

CatEyed92

Wuthering heights - note to examiner - next time you write the single text question, make sure you're sober or perhaps proof read it! What a dumb,poorly phrased question!

After all, you're just messing with peoples futures, that's all... when you decide to through an experiment curveball...

internet_user

i had love then i changed to heart break whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.. also i forgot to tick the box to say i was doing it in english

suitcasepink

Okay I was originally on a high about how great a paper it was.
Now Im really worried about my Macbeth answer coz I didnt talk about soliloquy's, though I kept mentioning how is words and actions were a result of how his mind was? Hopefully Ill get something for my 4.5 pages of effort..
Didnt fully understand the Mahon question either but I just kept tying everything I said into the question.. I think I did alright in it but the clarity could be a bit dodge. That was the only part though that I thought went worse than my pre.
So hopefully something good will come of it!

Prodigious

RML wrote: »

That's the exact thing what I wrote! :P

Boom. Unrequited love.

Prodigious

internet_user wrote: »

i had love then i changed to heart break whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.. also i forgot to tick the box to say i was doing it in english

Me too

internet_user

Prodigious wrote: »

Me too

pick heartbreak or forget to tick the box? :P

Dude Love 1

I'll always remember this moment...
The supervisor gives out the papers, he gave it to a girl at the back first and when the supervisor had is back turned she checked the paper and she let out a cry 'Plath Get the **** in!' then everyone proceeded in fist pumping and hugging eachother until we were told it was a state exam and we had to stop. Good times

mixery

Well that was a rigmarole. I'm happy for ye who did well, someone has to be on the other side of the curve.

http://youtu.be/nQivlAVeP3o?t=56s

matTNT

Beautiful paper!

MacBeth question, imagery was out so I went with the usual one which was actually quite nice.
Ambitious but not ruthless
Soldier in MacBeth meant it was easy for Lady MacBeth to cajole him into murder because worst thing a soldier can called is a coward.
Guilt after murder.
Reinvents himself - murderous megalomaniac
Descent into nihilism.


Theme/Issue question was horrific for a comparative, but do able.

Plath - dealt with 4 poems, nailed it!

Feeded

NellyDean wrote: »

Macbeth question was so unfair I thought Like I studied really hard but just cos I learned one-line quotes instead of soliloquies I couldn't answer it properly. What do yous think?


Comparative Okay. Was hoping for literary Genre but that was my own fault like.
Poetry perfect.

That's perfect! Stop worrying...The larger soliloquies are probably more obvious because they're more dramatic but what you did was fine...remember, anything that falls from the mouth of Macbeth is an indication of what's going through his mind...put English away now...Maths (and Geography perhaps) is your next concern!

Feeded

deise_girl wrote: »

Okay I was originally on a high about how great a paper it was.
Now Im really worried about my Macbeth answer coz I didnt talk about soliloquy's, though I kept mentioning how is words and actions were a result of how his mind was? Hopefully Ill get something for my 4.5 pages of effort..
Didnt fully understand the Mahon question either but I just kept tying everything I said into the question.. I think I did alright in it but the clarity could be a bit dodge. That was the only part though that I thought went worse than my pre.
So hopefully something good will come of it!

That's perfect! Stop worrying...The larger soliloquies are probably more obvious because they're more dramatic but what you did was fine...remember, anything that falls from the mouth of Macbeth is an indication of what's going through his mind...put English away now...Maths (and Geography perhaps) is your next concern!

David1994

SecondMan wrote: »

On Macbeth I answered the imagery question. This was my plan:
Par 1- Blood after slaying of MacDonwald.
Par 2- The witches being ugly + their spells
Par 3 - Blood after Duncan's murder
Par 4 - Banquo's murder + his ghost
Par 5 - Nature - darkness, disease, famine etc.

For the "effective" part of the question, I just discussed how it helped the reader see Macbeth's real conscience, his morals, the witches evil power and how Macbeth's tyrannical rule destroyed Scotland and himself?

Does this look okay? I wrote 4 and a bit pages overall and included quotes frequently?

I basically just did:
Dark imagery
Blood imagery
Animal imagery
Disease and decay

Hoping that's alright!

SecondMan

HugsiePie wrote: »

You put my essay to shame, SHAME!

It looked better as a plan than it did as a whole unfortunately

_JustGav

anyone notice that 'the fist' was in the shape of the knuckles from a fist? (the first nine lines form the 5 bumps of a fist)

shootie

Those Macbeth questions were really not what I had expected but I did a fairly ok job on the imagery essay. Mentioned the witches and their appearance and the scenes they are in are usually accompanied by storms, macbeth and his murders, lady macbeth and the "unsexing" scene and finally how scotland is in chaos with horses eating each other and falcon+mouse. Most of these I said would be un natural and thus disturbing to myself and the audience.

ahmdoda

you dont need the soliloquys to talk about Macbeth their are tons of other quotes that shows whats in his mind, i talked about his reaction to the witches and when malcolm became the heir of cumberland,all of what he said during his reign basically tells us about his cruelty, the murder of the macduff clan/his best freind banque tons more! the soliloquies where just a little extra.

SecondMan

SecondMan wrote: »

It looked better as a plan than it did as a whole unfortunately

Well that was what happened to me too! Our plans seem similar but the essay just didn't seem to gel?
We'll be fine! Would have been nicer of the word "disturbing" wasn't mentioned. That made it all the more tricky I think.

Sporty_Kate

Lads whats done is done now, i've gotten over it at this stage, there is no getting that paper back.

We still have 6 more subjects left, no point in dwelling on 1! Do your best on the rest!

SecondMan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well that was what happened to me too! Our plans seem similar but the essay just didn't seem to gel?
We'll be fine! Would have been nicer of the word "disturbing" wasn't mentioned. That made it all the more tricky I think.

I just felt that I need to refer to the question a lot and it disrupted the flow of that actual essay!

HugsiePie

SecondMan wrote: »

It looked better as a plan than it did as a whole unfortunately

Im sure it was better than mine's. I started with a really vague paragraph on blood, then I talked about how the whole play takes place at night so the darkness represents evil and despair (?), Pathetic fallacy with only referencing the horses eating each other, and then how the images of Banquos ghost and the dagger and the witches apparitions are not real, there images of his mind suggesting Macbeth was mentally imbalance (what?!)

The worst part is that Macbeth was my favourite part on the whole course.

WHAT WAS I AT?!

mossy95

Moromaster wrote: »

I disagree. Perhaps 'ridiculously lucky' per individual student; however, if the entire country studied one poet, that was "predicted", an absurd amount would get A's in their Leaving.

I personally am TOTALLY into Wordsworth, I know all of his poems by heart (Including Tintern Abby); I've probably spent over 20 hours reading his poetry just because it's so awesome. He doesn't come up, well, it looks like I'm linguistically inept and I don't go to college. Great.

O bro, bro, O no bro

SeanMcG95

The Macbeth character question was great and so was the poetry (the Plath question was basically the same as the one on our pres)

Only thing I'm a bit iffy about is the comparative though. I normally do cultural context but I didn't like either of the questions so I did the second theme/issue question instead, but still wasn't overly keen on the "resolution" aspect and ended up writing more for the 30 mark part (2 pages & 3 quarters) than the 40 mark part (2 pages) before I had to move on, and I don't think it tied together very well (at all) either. Still happy enough with the paper overall though.

Glitt_123

omg im just after realising the macbeth question was referring to his mind, i thought it was my mind. so i wrote about how he is bad king, his relationship with lady macbeth etc
pity because the rest of he paper went so well

stephenjmcd

Delt with 5 poems in Mahon q, that's plenty isn't it

randylonghorn

0mega wrote: »

I'm actually surprised at how positively received the paper is! I thought when I first opened it people would be unhappy, despite Plath's appearance.

It's the first time in at least 3 years where the forum hasn't been full of hysterical weeping after English HL P2! :pac: