Cian Healy cited for biting

Busted Flat.

trouttrout wrote: »

accidental biting? hahaha

His arm was only resting in my mouth.

ScissorPaperRock

Busted Flat. wrote: »

His arm was only resting in my mouth.

More like my teeth were only resting in his arm!

ScissorPaperRoc

ScissorPaperRoc wrote: »

More like my teeth were only resting in his arm!

He saw the Golden Arches on their shorts and thought ah sure might as well have an aul nibble.

19543261

Deleted User wrote: »

He saw the Golden Arches on their shorts and thought ah sure might as well have an aul nibble.

... O.o;

P.Walnuts

We should have the verdict in a couple of hours right?

Hearing 9 am in Brisbane?

Buer

P.Walnuts wrote: »

We should have the verdict in a couple of hours right?

Hearing 9 am in Brisbane?

You wouldn't know how long it could go. I'd say it'll be about 3am before we hear. Starts midnight our time.

Busted Flat.

Buer wrote: »

You wouldn't know how long it could go. I'd say it'll be about 3am before we hear. Starts midnight our time.

Hope he gets a meal before the verdict.

Fits Morris

Let's hope for some good, old fashioned British justice for our British Loin. Church is clearly an innocent man. Free the Clontarf One!

Swiwi

Buer wrote: »

You wouldn't know how long it could go. I'd say it'll be about 3am before we hear. Starts midnight our time.

You make it sound like you'll be glued to the wireless waiting for the news to filter through...

I'm happy to read about it when I get up in the morning!

Ok, I set my alarm clock at some ridiculous hour to hear the AB squad for the RWC named, and even then I felt a bit silly and regretted it the next morning when I was half asleep at work.

irishbucsfan

I hope Healy has a few costume changes sorted out. He'd definitely get a reduction for that.

ProudDUB

So no word yet?

Buer

Cleared.

Goodnight.

Buer

For a bit more background, the committee found no discernible evidence or bite marks. No choice but to dismiss the accusations.

Healy also walked into the hearing without crutches. Hopefully he gets more good news today. He has now undergone his scan.

jamiedav2011

So after all the thinly disguised trolling on this thread, looks like Ciano has nothing to answer for.

Lucky he didn't ask Dylan Hartley for advice eh?

Buer

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

So after all the thinly disguised trolling on this thread, looks like Ciano has nothing to answer for.

Lucky he didn't ask Dylan Hartley for advice eh?

It's a cover up! Didn't you know? Old boys network looking after him. Farce.

And Swiwi, I was tucked up in bed for 11pm! I'm an extremely light sleeper though so once the sun comes up, I'm awake. Checked my newsfeed on phone when I stirred.

Chucky the tree

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

So after all the thinly disguised trolling on this thread, looks like Ciano has nothing to answer for.

Lucky he didn't ask Dylan Hartley for advice eh?

Depending on how his scan goes he might still ask for some useful advice.

jamiedav2011

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He might still need it depending on how his scan goes.

That doesn't even make sense.

Still at it eh even after he's cleared? It's almost as if you don't want him on the tour. Hmmm, that couldn't be now could it?

You jumped the gun, the man was cleared and you were wrong, just leave it at that.

Chucky the tree

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

That doesn't even make sense.

Still at it eh even after he's cleared? It's almost as if you don't want him on the tour. Hmmm, that couldn't be now could it?

You jumped the gun, the man was cleared and you were wrong, just leave it at that.

I couldn't give a toss if he is on tour or not. Never claimed any different.

jamiedav2011

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I couldn't give a toss if he is on tour or not. Never claimed any different.

Ah, well you see that's where most Irish rugby fans would differ.
You've certainly shown the old true colours though.

leftleg

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I couldn't give a toss if he is on tour or not. Never claimed any different.

Good man

alphamule

put that in yizzer pipe and smoke it

Chucky the tree

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

Ah, well you see that's where most Irish rugby fans would differ.
You've certainly shown the old true colours though.

Shown my true colours? You make it sound as if I have been hiding them. Considering what happened to BOD on a Lions tour and now potentially Healy could be out for awhile I'm not really sure why any Irish fan is delighted to see these teams packed full of Irish players. As a rugby fan I enjoy the Lions tours, as an Irish fan I am more than happy to see less Irish players(especially Munster ones) on tour and having a nice rest before next season.

MBolgia

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Shown my true colours? You make it sound as if I have been hiding them. Considering what happened to BOD on a Lions tour and now potentially Healy could be out for awhile I'm not really sure why any Irish fan is delighted to see these teams packed full of Irish players. As a rugby fan I enjoy the Lions tours, as an Irish fan I am more than happy to see less Irish players(especially Munster ones) on tour and having a nice rest before next season.

Mind you don't trip up as you backpedal there!

Green first, then red or blue or white or green. Simple as.

alphamule

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Shown my true colours? You make it sound as if I have been hiding them. Considering what happened to BOD on a Lions tour and now potentially Healy could be out for awhile I'm not really sure why any Irish fan is delighted to see these teams packed full of Irish players. As a rugby fan I enjoy the Lions tours, as an Irish fan I am more than happy to see less Irish players(especially Munster ones) on tour and having a nice rest before next season.

It is a contact sport, that is just ridiculous!

No the Irish lads said they'd pass, they don't want to get injured :rolleyes:

Who wants to miss out on those big sponsorship deals?

Chucky the tree

MBolgia wrote: »

Mind you don't trip up as you backpedal there!

Green first, then red or blue or white or green. Simple as.

If it's Green first then the less Irish the better.

alphamule wrote: »

It is a contact sport, that is just ridiculous!

No the Irish lads said they'd pass, they don't want to get injured :rolleyes:

Who wants to miss out on those big sponsorship deals?

When did I say the Irish players didn't want to play?

alphamule

Chucky the tree wrote: »

If it's Green first then the less Irish the better.





When did I say the Irish players didn't want to play?

No, you said you would rather they didnt play!

John_Rambo

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I'd say there is decent evidence of bit marks on Sheahan.

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Buer

John_Rambo wrote: »

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Ah you have to understand the mindset of Chucky. He only show up when things are going badly in Irish rugby to criticise. He won't be seen for months on end and then Ireland lose or one of the provinces lose a big game or there's a contentious incident and he comes out to rejoice. It's a well worn pattern at this point that provides much amusement.

Noopti

Justice served, obviously there wasn't any extra evidence apart from the the very suspect accusation.

Delighted.

alphamule

Buer wrote: »

Ah you have to understand the mindset of Chucky. He only show up when things are going badly in Irish rugby to criticise. He won't be seen for months on end and then Ireland lose or one of the provinces lose a big game or there's a contentious incident and he comes out to rejoice. It's a well worn pattern at this point that provides much amusement.

Sad really.

Burgo

Great news that he is cleared, but gutted for him that he has to come home.

OldRio

Sad state of affairs when some on an Irish Rugby thread are not wanting justice but a guilty verdict.
FFS get back to your junior cert studying.

Duggys Housemate

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Shown my true colours? You make it sound as if I have been hiding them. Considering what happened to BOD on a Lions tour and now potentially Healy could be out for awhile I'm not really sure why any Irish fan is delighted to see these teams packed full of Irish players. As a rugby fan I enjoy the Lions tours, as an Irish fan I am more than happy to see less Irish players(especially Munster ones) on tour and having a nice rest before next season.

Fewer players.

This excuse doesn't make sense, you were clearly anti Healy, and are now opposed to the tournament. But old school rugby players and commentators love the Lions tour, it is second only to the WC.

sydthebeat

Burgo wrote: »

Great news that he is cleared, but gutted for him that he has to come home.

he has to come home???

Chucky the tree

Buer wrote: »

Ah you have to understand the mindset of Chucky. He only show up when things are going badly in Irish rugby to criticise. He won't be seen for months on end and then Ireland lose or one of the provinces lose a big game or there's a contentious incident and he comes out to rejoice. It's a well worn pattern at this point that provides much amusement.

lol. I'd be hear all the time if that were the case.

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Fewer players.

This excuse doesn't make sense, you were clearly anti Healy, and are now opposed to the tournament. But old school rugby players and commentators love the Lions tour, it is second only to the WC.

What excuse? For a while I haven't been hugely fond of the tournament. I also never claimed old school players or commentators didn't like the Lions tour.

decisions

sydthebeat wrote: »

he has to come home???

The injury, he said it himself on Facebook.

sydthebeat

healys response

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/lions-tour/cian-healy-i-was-very-disappointed-to-be-cited-i-did-nothing-wrong-29327446.html

"I am very relieved that the hearing has cleared me of such an allegation," he said.
"I was naturally very disappointed that there was a citing in the first place.
"I always maintained that nothing happened and that I had done nothing illegal. The opposition player's arm hit me. It is as simple as that.
"The support I had from the management and all the lads was wonderful, and I am glad that it is all over."

Buer

sydthebeat wrote: »

he has to come home???

He left the immersion on.

Or the ankle. Probably the ankle.

sydthebeat

there was reports he walked into the citing hearing.....

gutted for him if his injury rules him out.

Buer

sydthebeat wrote: »

there was reports he walked into the citing hearing.....

gutted for him if his injury rules him out.

He did. Photos of him going in unaided. But scan might have shown ligament damage that is going to take a month to heal. Might be able to walk gingerly now but would never be able to play a high pace rugby match, if that was the case.

Chucky the tree

sydthebeat wrote: »

there was reports he walked into the citing hearing.....

gutted for him if his injury rules him out.

He did, but he had a huge protective boot on.

For Paws

Delighted, 'though not surprised by decision to clear.
But can't get rid of the suspicion that Sheehan set to to get Healy in trouble.

Can the citing commission comment on the nature of an accusation if it might be deemed questionable at best ?

padser

Noopti wrote: »

Justice served, obviously there wasn't any extra evidence apart from the the very suspect accusation.

Delighted.

I didn't realize that citings only had to be upheld "on the balance of probabilities"

toomevara

For Paws wrote: »

Delighted, 'though not surprised by decision to clear.
But can't get rid of the suspicion that Sheehan set to to get Healy in trouble.

Can the citing commission comment on the nature of an accusation if it might be deemed questionable at best ?

This was a bullsh1t citing from minute one. zero evidence and clearly an over reaction from Sheehan. Delighted Healy was cleared, just hope his tour isnt over....

Buer

toomevara wrote: »

This was a bullsh1t citing from minute one. zero evidence and clearly an over reaction from Sheehan. Delighted Healy was cleared, just hope his tour isnt over....

Whatever you do...do not read any other threads.

trouttrout

Sheehan should be pretty ashamed of himself all things considered

trouttrout

trouttrout wrote: »

Sheehan should be pretty ashamed of himself all things considered

what?!

If Sheehan felt Healy's teeth on his arm, he obviously would think he was bitten, and absolutely should say so.

His head is in a collapsing tackle situation, he can't judge intent.

This isn't a "Healy bit him he is scum OR Sheehan is lying he is scum" situation. There's an awful awful lot of middle ground between the two.

The citing commission takes the events and rules on them. A citing doesn't and certainly shouldn't instantly imply guilty! And likewise, an 'unsuccesful' citing shouldn't mean that there were false accusations.

trouttrout

Deleted User wrote: »

what?!

If Sheehan felt Healy's teeth on his arm, he obviously would think he was bitten, and absolutely should say so.

His head is in a collapsing tackle situation, he can't judge intent.

This isn't a "Healy bit him he is scum OR Sheehan is lying he is scum" situation. There's an awful awful lot of middle ground between the two.

The citing commission takes the events and rules on them. A citing doesn't and certainly shouldn't instantly imply guilty! And likewise, an 'unsuccesful' citing shouldn't mean that there were false accusations.

But I think it's pretty damn easy to know if you've been bitten on purpose or not, Sheehan even changed his tune at half time but you've got a point, maybe I'm being harsh but I'd imagine it would be easily to determine if someone was purposefully biting you as opposed to you hand coming into contact with the mouth area

Buer

Deleted User wrote: »

what?!

If Sheehan felt Healy's teeth on his arm, he obviously would think he was bitten, and absolutely should say so.

There was no bite mark on Sheahan's skin as per the ruling. An arm coming in contact with teeth and being bitten are two very different things. If you are bitten, you know all about it and have the marks to prove it. In the heat of the moment, I can understand how he may have thought it but I'm sure he knows himself when there was no bite mark on reflection. Once it's brought to attention, it was going to be cited. There's no report of Sheahan joining via video conference or attempting to put balance on the situation as part of the hearing though.

trouttrout

Anyone wondering why the last page has been taken up with backtracking need look no further :

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He's done. He can ring Dylan Hartley and ask for advice on how to deal with it.