LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

Red Kev

They're much the same price elsewhere, in Germany one with 6-12 months NCT starts at under €5000. There's a couple of reasons why prices for them are so low, usually luxo cars drop to a low price due to running costs such as tax, insirance, fuel etc., not just in Ireland but abroad too.

That CL model are notoriously unreliable, essentially Mercedes always use the CL /SEC model to introduce new technology, but they stuffed that one full of very unproven stuff, including the air suspension that they hadn't used in decades on private cars, only on trucks.

The engineers who developed the car were against a lot of the stuff that went into it, but they were overruled by the marketers and CEO's and the car was an embarassment in many ways. It's used in some Supply Management courses in Germany as an example of how not to bring a product onto the market.

The depreciation was probably around €40-50,000 in Yr1 and another €25-35,000 in Yr 2 alone on that car, at least €75,000 after 2 years either way. They've been hovering around that €4-6,000price for a few years now. I think they're gorgeous looking, but like the CLS I wouldn't go near them unless I was happy to strip it and flog it for parts if it all went tits up. Maybe next year, but not this one.

Some prices in Germany: http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/search.html?isSearchRequest=true&scopeId=C&makeModelVariant1.makeId=17200&makeModelVariant1.modelId=40&minFirstRegistrationDate=2000-01-01&maxFirstRegistrationDate=2004-12-31&maxPowerAsArray=PS&minPowerAsArray=PS&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED

unkel

Knew about the air suspension, but didn't know they were that bad. Thanks Red Kev. Every day is a school day. Those German prices are shockingly low. Stick a boggo 2005 BMW 520i in that search engine and you'll all know what I mean.

Red Kev

I'm getting my cars slightly mixed up (Trying to watch the football and failing with the multitasking); the suspension on the Coupe is hydraulic based, still a disaster when it goes wrong. The saloon is air based.

Look at prices on that site for W126 and W140 Coupes, they've gone through the roof. If you want a big, old Merc Coupe there, you just don't buy the C215.

These are all 500's wit hat least 3 months NCT

C126 http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/search.html?isSearchRequest=true&scopeId=C&makeModelVariant1.makeId=17200&makeModelVariant1.modelId=144&makeModelVariant1.modelDescription=sec&minFirstRegistrationDate=1980-01-01&maxFirstRegistrationDate=1992-12-31&maxPowerAsArray=PS&minPowerAsArray=PS&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&minHu=3

C140 http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/search.html?isSearchRequest=true&scopeId=C&makeModelVariant1.makeId=17200&makeModelVariant1.modelId=40&minFirstRegistrationDate=1993-01-01&maxFirstRegistrationDate=1998-12-31&maxPowerAsArray=PS&minPowerAsArray=PS&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&minHu=3

Voodoomelon

The spectacularly low prices though aren't just down to reliability, 2000-2006 CLs were like Mondeos in their day, it was the go-to car for anyone with fist fulls of cash and they're ten a penny. Most still about today have been whored through 8+ owners at this stage with little maintenance between owners. They were also eye-wateringly overpriced when new, so second hand prices were only going to go one way.

It's crazy how a battered, neglected one looks its 15 years and a well kept one looks a million dollars.

26000 Elephants

A fair number of those CL's are cat c/d as well, so might explain the lower prices. But the point remains, if anything goes wrong you are in a world of pain!

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-735i-with-nct/14488127



NCT till 7/17 - €1950

Tommyboy40

The CL gets bad press but is a superb car. Standard service parts are cheaper than a toyota, €9 for an oil filter (dealer price). A new one costs €185,000 so you have to expect that major repairs won't be cheap. The shocks cost €1150 + VAT from the dealer but are available from Germany for €550. Mine has 94K miles on it and needs one replaced, they don't need to be replaced in pairs. Always buy a facelift version and it helps if you're handy with spanners. I'm lucky that I have access to the Mercedes SD connect diagnostics which tells you what's wrong and how to fix it. Nothing drives like it and it returns 30mpg on the motorway

166man

I'd be so tempted by that silver one CL500.

Ded_Zebra

Tommyboy40 wrote: »

The CL gets bad press but is a superb car. Standard service parts are cheaper than a toyota, €9 for an oil filter (dealer price). A new one costs €185,000 so you have to expect that major repairs won't be cheap. The shocks cost €1150 + VAT from the dealer but are available from Germany for €550. Mine has 94K miles on it and needs one replaced, they don't need to be replaced in pairs. Always buy a facelift version and it helps if you're handy with spanners. I'm lucky that I have access to the Mercedes SD connect diagnostics which tells you what's wrong and how to fix it. Nothing drives like it and it returns 30mpg on the motorway

What Toyota are you servicing :pac:

I've never paid more than €6 for a genuine Toyota filter not to mention that they only take about 3-4l of oil generally. Sounds like you've been doing some great "man maths" to justify the cost :P

Saying that, they probably don't cost significantly more than any other V6 and up Mercedes.

My experience of owning Mercs has been that the basic stuff like the engine, gearbox, brakes, suspension, ABS, ESC etc. is very robust and as a result cheap to maintain. However, the "extras" and non-essential items tend to be fragile and temperamental. Central locking, electric seats, climate control units, etc. etc. tend to fail, especially in that era of Mercedes when their quality really was compromised. This forces the cost of ownership up if you want to have al of these things working.

Sgt Pepper 64

Ok so its a tad over budget, but its a 2008 merc with low miles, loads of room in the back and the tax wont kill you either


https://www.donedeal.co.uk/cars-for-sale/hearse-/14271839

unkel

Deadly!

polan

killer merc

Tea drinker

Yeah, wouldn't be caught dead in it

Soarer

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Ok so its a tad over budget, but its a 2008 merc with low miles, loads of room in the back and the tax wont kill you either


https://www.donedeal.co.uk/cars-for-sale/hearse-/14271839

I love the way it mentions "Dignity" on the back!

Tommyboy40

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

What Toyota are you servicing :pac:

I've never paid more than €6 for a genuine Toyota filter not to mention that they only take about 3-4l of oil generally. Sounds like you've been doing some great "man maths" to justify the cost :P

Saying that, they probably don't cost significantly more than any other V6 and up Mercedes.

My experience of owning Mercs has been that the basic stuff like the engine, gearbox, brakes, suspension, ABS, ESC etc. is very robust and as a result cheap to maintain. However, the "extras" and non-essential items tend to be fragile and temperamental. Central locking, electric seats, climate control units, etc. etc. tend to fail, especially in that era of Mercedes when their quality really was compromised. This forces the cost of ownership up if you want to have al of these things working.

I have 3 x V8's so I possibly have an addiction. The worst Mercs are between 1999 and 2003. Quality significantly improved after that. I agree that some extras can be fragile but anyone handy can sort most of these things easily.

Sofiztikated

Yank made a 'Tube video of his own Luxobarge/Bangernomics.

Voodoomelon

Mad, I watched that last night with 70k views, has 250k now.
Annoying chap, nice car.

ArnieSilvia

Ha! I watched it last night:pac:

Truckermal

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Mad, I watched that last night with 70k views, has 250k now.
Annoying chap, nice car.

Lol he reminds me of Sheldon out of big bang..

MrRolex

I like this one. 100K is nothing on a 4.2 V8. New NCT.
A lot of car for the money. A8 Quattro's were loaded with spec.
My only concern is the steering wheel looks worn for 100K. Looks more like 150K plus.
I would want to mileage check it and see history and precious NCT's to back that up.
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8-4-2-tiptronic-quattro-just-passed-nct/9738911

frozenfrozen

does the rear bumper look to be a different shade of silver? more champagne than straight silver?

Sofiztikated

frozenfrozen wrote: »

does the rear bumper look to be a different shade of silver? more champagne than straight silver?

Looks to be the reflection from the green floor.

unkel

MrRolex wrote: »

I like this one. 100K is nothing on a 4.2 V8. New NCT.

So the seller claims. There are a lot of sellers on donedeal lying about cars having a brand new NCT.

MrRolex

frozenfrozen wrote: »

does the rear bumper look to be a different shade of silver? more champagne than straight silver?

Reflection of the floor paint.

colm_mcm

unkel wrote: »

So the seller claims. There are a lot of sellers on donedeal lying about cars having a brand new NCT.

NCT site says it's due a test in under a month. Ad is up 22 days.

Could be booked in and sold on the basis of getting tested and passing.

MrRolex

unkel wrote: »

So the seller claims. There are a lot of sellers on donedeal lying about cars having a brand new NCT.

Agreed.
Was that a dig at me as well? Or just a general comment?
Don't worry I will post up a picture of the cert when my Golf is retested this week.
To be honest with you, it's on a lift right now having wishbones fitted for the retest. But I had to go to VW today and order new wishbone to subframe bolts and shims as they were corroded. It would have passed with the corroded bolts and shims, but I prefer to do the job right.
I think it's fair enough to advertise a car as having 12 months NCT, if that is what it will be sold with don't you?

MrRolex

colm_mcm wrote: »

NCT site says it's due a test in under a month. Ad is up 22 days.

Could be booked in and sold on the basis of getting tested and passing.

Agreed, that seems to be a likely explanation. Often dealer will advertise a car as having 12 months NCT, then put a fresh one on for the new owner.
I don't see what difference it makes really, as it will be backdated in any case.

Truckermal

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/07-lexus-gs300/14658020

07 GS for 2.5K! It's from a trader who has some nice bangeromics too.

Eric Cartman

Truckermal wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/07-lexus-gs300/14658020

07 GS for 2.5K! It's from a trader who has some nice bangeromics too.

right colour and spec, nice wheels too. NCT just out is a bit hmm, if they'd put it through that would be a steal of a deal.

Truckermal

Eric Cartman wrote: »

right colour and spec, nice wheels too. NCT just out is a bit hmm, if they'd put it through that would be a steal of a deal.

The fail sheet would do me!

unkel

Seller is a small time trader. The cynic in me tells me he knows full well the car will need expensive work to pass the test, otherwise he would have tested it and upped the price by a grand. I wouldn't bother with this one

Eric Cartman

unkel wrote: »

Seller is a small time trader. The cynic in me tells me he knows full well the car will need expensive work to pass the test, otherwise he would have tested it and upped the price by a grand. I wouldn't bother with this one

probably the usual for cars of that price - needs a full set of discs, pads and tyres, a service and a bushing or 2 so they wouldn't recoup their post test value.

unkel

Aye and that's the kinda mileage (140k miles 230k km) where most cars in Ireland need some serious suspension work too, probably more than a bushing or two

punisher5112

That's some gas tank attached to the rear......

Wonder has it gear box issue like another one been flogged.

Lovely car wouldn't mind getting the hybrid version.

grogi

punisher5112 wrote: »

That's some gas tank attached to the rear......

Wonder has it gear box issue like another one been flogged.

Lovely car wouldn't mind getting the hybrid version.

Hybrid is faster, but has lost most of the practicality. You'll struggle to put a suitcase in the boot. Economy is virtually identical.

punisher5112

grogi wrote: »

Hybrid is faster, but has lost most of the practicality. You'll struggle to put a suitcase in the boot. Economy is virtually identical.

I wouldn't mind ;-)

Duke O Smiley

Is the economy really the same in both the '300 and 450h models?

unkel

Regen braking will make it more economical if you do a lot of city driving. On the open road it will make no difference.

Truckermal

Truckermal wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/07-lexus-gs300/14658020

07 GS for 2.5K! It's from a trader who has some nice bangeromics too.

Actually forget about it he hasn't a great reputation apparently.!

Soarer

Truckermal wrote: »

Actually forget about it he hasn't a great reputation apparently.!

How can he be listed as a private seller when he has 13 cars up for sale?

punisher5112

Soarer wrote: »

How can he be listed as a private seller when he has 13 cars up for sale?

Because he hopes nobody will notice and keeps revenue off his scent.

grogi

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Is the economy really the same in both the '300 and 450h models?

Yes, they both get around 10l/100km. That was the design goal for GS450h - to get a v8 performance, but keep v6 consumption.

It is the next generation of GS450h, from 2013 - that is significantly more economical. It will go below 8l/100km.

Truckermal

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-gs-450h-hybrid-2006/13962237

Nice clean looking 450H under 4K.

TigerTim

Truckermal wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-gs-450h-hybrid-2006/13962237

Nice clean looking 450H under 4K.

That is nice but he should put it thru' the NCT. Would make sale easier.

T.

Red Kev

TigerTim wrote: »

That is nice but he should put it thru' the NCT. Would make sale easier.

T.

NCT due on May 2nd. What's to say he wasn't at the NCT in the past couple of weeks and got a bit of a hop?

I wouldn't go near it personally. It's a grand cheaper that the next 450h, which has no NCT.

punisher5112

Red Kev wrote: »

NCT due on May 2nd. What's to say he wasn't at the NCT in the past couple of weeks and got a bit of a hop?

I wouldn't go near it personally. It's a grand cheaper that the next 450h, which has no NCT.

Its the engine size and most won't touch due to tax. I would love one.

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-cls/14795064



Fixer upper CLS - €1900 - worth the risk?

I wonder if you could buy and repair and save money over buying a well sorted example

kev1.3s

Pretty honest description.

millington

punisher5112 wrote: »

Because he hopes nobody will notice and keeps revenue off his scent.

I doubt it even would keep them off. A friend of mine in Mayo does some buying and selling, maybe 1/2 cars a month and he had Revenue after him. That guy has 13 up at once :eek:

bear1

The front right wheel seems be touching the wing, so I assume that's the problematic side?
Wonder how much to put right...