LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

Esel

galwaytt wrote: »

indeed - if that's a maybe, this should be a shoe-in for this thread... http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugeot-607-2-9-v6-auto/4039674

I thought a valid NCT was necessary for this thread though?

Scortho

kev1.3s wrote: »

I think that odonohues in enniscorthy had one of those for sale that had never been registered.

Heard It's lying there rotting still.
Apparently 50 k to get it on the road, and it'd have a 132 plate! :pac:

Scortho

Esel wrote: »

De look, or de feel? Do dey has de lumbar support?

Don't know but from what I've heard they're very very comfy.
The leather seats in the gt are meant to be comfier though!

ofcork

03 A8 on gumtree cork for 4950

unkel

Linky missing, ofcork

ofcork

http://www.gumtree.ie/cp-cars-in-cork/look-audi-a8-538808781 this is the ad.

unkel

That's the 3.7l. I would hold out for a 4.2l. More of them about, same to tax / insure but a lot quicker and more and earlier torque. Good find all the same

L-M

That GTA Most certainly wasnt the only one in Ireland!

kev1.3s

unkel wrote: »

That's the 3.7l. I would hold out for a 4.2l. More of them about, same to tax / insure but a lot quicker and more and earlier torque. Good find all the same

Serious car for the money shame about the tax.

lomb

The 3.7 is probably the pick due to the chocolate gearboxes. Less torque and power is a good thing not a bad thing:pac:

unkel

lomb wrote: »

Less torque and power is a good thing not a bad thing:pac:

Maybe in your book, but not in mine

And certainly not if I were paying max tax!

daRobot

lomb wrote: »

The 3.7 is probably the pick due to the chocolate gearboxes. Less torque and power is a good thing not a bad thing:pac:

Gearboxes are pretty decent in the D3 models, certainly nowhere like the shambles of 'boxes in the previous D2.

Voodoomelon

Who manufactured the chocoboxes?

Big Nasty

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Who manufactured the chocoboxes?

Milk Tray!?!

delthedriver

Big Nasty wrote: »

Milk Tray!?!

Because the lady loves Milk Tray!:D

power pants

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Who manufactured the chocoboxes?

The chocolate gearbox phrase only comes up on here when mentioning that gear box in particular

unkel

power pants wrote: »

The chocolate gearbox phrase only comes up on here when mentioning that gear box in particular

Perhaps it's a case of internet forum acquired wisdom

I've no idea myself about the gearboxes used in Audi A8, but I expected them to be ZF boxes, like many BMW and Mercedes cars use?

power pants

yeah, wasn't a slight on the forum. Just amusing if describing the audi gear boxes for that car, no other word is ever used except chocolate. Ive now started to see the car with actual chocolate gear sticks etc etc

Voodoomelon

Quick Google reveals they are ZFs in the D3 range. Strange for them to give so much bother, if true.

Sobanek

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Quick Google reveals they are ZFs in the D3 range. Strange for them to give so much bother, if true.

According to wiki:

6HP26A

Four-wheel drive version used in Audi, Volkswagen Passenger Cars and Bentley marques of the Volkswagen Group:

• 2002–present Volkswagen Phaeton (Typ 3D)
• 2003–2009 Audi A8 (D3, Typ 4E)
• 2003–present Bentley Continental GT
• 2005–present Bentley Continental Flying Spur
• 2006–present Audi S6 (C6, Typ 4F)
• 2008–2010 Audi RS6 (C6, Typ 4F)

So explains why it's reliable in case of BMW.

Matt Simis

daRobot wrote: »

Gearboxes are pretty decent in the D3 models, certainly nowhere like the shambles of 'boxes in the previous D2.

Also ZF's but an earlier version.. but same'ish as in the E38. Theory is that the AWD drivetrain puts more strain on the gearbox and/or Audi's aggressive shifting algorithm and final drive is somewhat crappy.

My S8 had 3 gearboxes in 190k miles, its quite commonly bad, not just hearsay.

daRobot

Matt Simis wrote: »

Also ZF's but an earlier version.. but same'ish as in the E38. Theory is that the AWD drivetrain puts more strain on the gearbox and/or Audi's aggressive shifting algorithm and final drive is somewhat crappy.

My S8 had 3 gearboxes in 190k miles, its quite commonly bad, not just hearsay.

Yep, I've seen that point mentioned quite a few times. A8 parts forum is one of the places, that highlights just how commonplace it is.

So from a reliability proposition, the 2.8 FWD A8 is the one to get from the pre 2003 models.

power pants

just to emphasise my original point. I wasn't disputing whether the A8 has a **** gear box or not, I was just referring to the word "chocolate" that has been used many times for this car

unkel

daRobot wrote: »

the 2.8 FWD A8 is the one to get from the pre 2003 models.

2.8 FWD? Meh

*takes older A8 off shortlist of cars to own*

JohnxF

Matt Simis wrote: »

Also ZF's but an earlier version.. but same'ish as in the E38. Theory is that the AWD drivetrain puts more strain on the gearbox and/or Audi's aggressive shifting algorithm and final drive is somewhat crappy.

My S8 had 3 gearboxes in 190k miles, its quite commonly bad, not just hearsay.

Matt, do you know if those gearboxes were replaced at owner expense of if Audi contributed? It would be an expensive car to own if you had to budget for a new gearbox every so often.

I'd be with Unkel. If you can only count on the 2.8 FWD version, there's no point in having an A8.

daRobot

JohnxF wrote: »

Matt, do you know if those gearboxes were replaced at owner expense of if Audi contributed? It would be an expensive car to own if you had to budget for a new gearbox every so often.

I'd be with Unkel. If you can only count on the 2.8 FWD version, there's no point in having an A8.

Totally. Luxobarges need torque, either from a Diesel, or better, a v8/12.

Similarly, a 728i wouldn't float my boat either.

L-M

I drove a 4.2 04 A8. Never drove anything with as much presence (Even over RRs, 300c etc.)

Beautiful.

delthedriver

Limerick man wrote: »

I drove a 4.2 04 A8. Never drove anything with as much presence (Even over RRs, 300c etc.)

Beautiful.

Certainly a very fine car. Nice alternative to Mercedes S Class , completely different league to Chrysler 300c:)

Sobanek

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8-3-7-v8-quattro/5939774

Has been here before, but now it's under budget.

Considering this myself, but just can't convince myself to pay 1800 to the Motor Tax Office

Ninap

Sobanek wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8-3-7-v8-quattro/5939774

Has been here before, but now it's under budget.

Considering this myself, but just can't convince myself to pay 1800 to the Motor Tax Office

Yeah, but that's why it's the price it is..

Sobanek

I'll have to be drunk and make a drunk purchase, this way I won't be able to be mad at myself

Oooh, father is interested and wants to even throw in some cash for the tax

Matt Simis

JohnxF wrote: »

Matt, do you know if those gearboxes were replaced at owner expense of if Audi contributed? It would be an expensive car to own if you had to budget for a new gearbox every so often.

I'd be with Unkel. If you can only count on the 2.8 FWD version, there's no point in having an A8.

Why would Audi contribute anything to a car over 10years old with nearly 200k miles on it!?
I just bought a used gearbox for EUR500 and paid EUR250 to have it fitted. The car wasnt disabled with it as is, just very harsh at shifting.

I wouldnt consider a FWD/2.8 A8 at all, I would totally consider a proper one (with a V8) that shifts ok and just do regular fluid changes. If it breaks, its not the end of the world as parts readily available, even for the S8 which has different ratios (ie technically not the same box). Also bear in mind the S8 is more powerful and is tuned to shift harsher anyway, so its a worst case example.

My one had a bunch of penny pincher's owning it for the last 4years, no servicing at all, barely any Antifreeze in the coolant for example.

Voodoomelon

Does anyone in Ireland/UK offer rebuilds of ZF brains like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyp9DHPKfHo

He paid only €500 for the full service, couldn't even perceive shifts after it was completed.

EDIT: Hmm, dunno if that's the right video, seems to be only the fluid change. There was one where the brain's valves/marbles were replaced.

Sobanek

What about the E65 735i?

I don't mind the looks as I actually got to quite like them. I'm a bigger fan of the facelift, but the pre-facelift isn't too bad either.

And then, for that kind of money, there's the Porsche Boxster

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Sobanek wrote: »

What about the E65 735i?

I don't mind the looks as I actually got to quite like them. I'm a bigger fan of the facelift, but the pre-facelift isn't too bad either.

And then, for that kind of money, there's the Porsche Boxster

There was only one problem with an e65 735i. And that is the 750i (or 760i)
I couldn't pay top tax for a 735i knowing that there was the same car for the same tax but in 750i or 760i guise available.

FWIW I love the e65s, especially when in full on pimpmobile/gangster mode!:cool:

Oh and don't get a boxster.

Sobanek

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/05-bmw-7-series-tax-02-14-nct-03-15/5915537

Bit above my 5k budget, but looks well specced, and it's the 745i

And why not the Boxster?

Truckermal

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Does anyone in Ireland/UK offer rebuilds of ZF brains like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyp9DHPKfHo

He paid only €500 for the full service, couldn't even perceive shifts after it was completed.

EDIT: Hmm, dunno if that's the right video, seems to be only the fluid change. There was one where the brain's valves/marbles were replaced.

Ya there is a crowd in Navan that do ZF gearbox overhauls.. Stealthyspeeder got one done somewhere a while back, ask him..

Moneymaker

Sobanek wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/05-bmw-7-series-tax-02-14-nct-03-15/5915537

Bit above my 5k budget, but looks well specced, and it's the 745i

And why not the Boxster?

Because you only buy a Boxster if you can't afford a 911 :pac:

delthedriver

Truckermal wrote: »

Ya there is a crowd in Navan that do ZF gearbox overhauls.. Stealthyspeeder got one done somewhere a while back, ask him..

There is also a Transmission Centre who recondition Auto boxes in Naas Road D12 area.

Marlow

And if you can't afford the 911, you probably can't afford to service the Boxster either.

/M

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Sobanek wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/05-bmw-7-series-tax-02-14-nct-03-15/5915537

Bit above my 5k budget, but looks well specced, and it's the 745i

And why not the Boxster?

He might take 5 at a push. Plus it has that 4.4 v8, the right engine to have (other than the v12 of course), so at least it is the right engine for the car.

The boxster is a flat six hairdresser's car for wanabes. People who want a porsche because "it's cool" or to look flash, but haven't the first clue about cars. Because if they did they would buy a 911.

Similar to people who buy a 2.1 FWD x-type to have "a jag"

Cienciano

Moneymaker wrote: »

Because you only buy a Boxster if you can't afford a 911 :pac:

That's my most hated car related line. It's so stupid it hurts! And I generally like JC

Voodoomelon

Truckermal wrote: »

Ya there is a crowd in Navan that do ZF gearbox overhauls.. Stealthyspeeder got one done somewhere a while back, ask him..

Fantastic, thanks!

jimgoose

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

He might take 5 at a push. Plus it has that 4.4 v8, the right engine to have (other than the v12 of course), so at least it is the right engine for the car.

The boxster is a flat six hairdresser's car for wanabes. People who want a porsche because "it's cool" or to look flash, but haven't the first clue about cars. Because if they did they would buy a 911.

Similar to people who buy a 2.1 FWD x-type to have "a jag"

The Boxter is a proper bit of kit, and makes more sense to a lot of people than various 911 models which are often bought by people who want a bowel-evacuatingly expensive Porsche "because it's cool!". Also, while I am aware that some Jag purists are offended by the X-Type's "dieselness", "smallness", "front-wheel-drive-ness", etc. it's a fine car by any standard.

Moneymaker

Cienciano wrote: »

That's my most hated car related line. It's so stupid it hurts! And I generally like JC

Cliche alright but it's true.

I wouldn't be buying a Boxter if I could afford a Porsche, that's for sure.

I don't like the styling either, doesn't really "wow" me.

Cienciano

Moneymaker wrote: »

Cliche alright but it's true.

I wouldn't be buying a Boxter if I could afford a Porsche, that's for sure.

I don't like the styling either, doesn't really "wow" me.

It makes sense, but it applies to pretty much every car going, but for some reason it's only used when talking about the Boxter. There's always a better version.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

jimgoose wrote: »

The Boxter is a proper bit of kit, and makes more sense to a lot of people than various 911 models which are often bought by people who want a bowel-evacuatingly expensive Porsche "because it's cool!". Also, while I am aware that some Jag purists are offended by the X-Type's "dieselness", "smallness", "front-wheel-drive-ness", etc. it's a fine car by any standard.

The boxster is not a fast car like a Porsche should be. The 911 is not (for the most part) bought by "keep up with the jones's" people, as the boxster does the same job but for cheaper. It (boxster) looks like a porsche but does not drive like one. I should know, I was considering one a while back and took a test drive in a 2.7.

The X Type has nothing that a Jag should have. Grace? No, Space? No, Pace? no (except the 2.5 or 3.0 models perhaps)

And I am sorry, but a 2.1 FWD mondeo in drag is not a Jaguar. A Draguar perhaps :P

h3000

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

The boxster is not a fast car like a Porsche should be. The 911 is not (for the most part) bought by "keep up with the jones's" people, as the boxster does the same job but for cheaper. It (boxster) looks like a porsche but does not drive like one. I should know, I was considering one a while back and took a test drive in a 2.7.

The Boxster is one of the best drivers car you can buy and if you buy the S it's far from slow. They have an incredibly balanced chassis. I really think the "Boxster is not a real Porsche" line is very silly.

daRobot

Sobanek wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8-3-7-v8-quattro/5939774

Has been here before, but now it's under budget.

Considering this myself, but just can't convince myself to pay 1800 to the Motor Tax Office

Personally, I'd hold out for a 4.2 A8 (330bhp), like this:

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8/5757883

I would be very surprised if he didn't take 4k.

The A8 (D3 Model) is a lot more reliable than the pre facelift 7 series (or the facelift for that matter), and the interior is a great place to be (especially at night)

Cleveland Hot Pocket

h3000 wrote: »

The Boxster is one of the best drivers car you can buy and if you buy the S it's far from slow. They have an incredibly balanced chassis. I really think the "Boxster is not a real Porsche" line is very silly.

As I mentioned I did not drive the S, I drove the 2.7.
It is to Porsches what the X type is to Jags or what a 518d is to bmws. An entry level.