LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

Sam Russell

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there is no legal requirement that a car sold by a dealer must have an NCT.

Andrew33 wrote: »

There’s no obligation on the dealer to sell a car with a valid NCT. End of.

I would not agree with this.

If I purchase a car without an NCT from Dodgy Cars Ltd (dealers in classy cars), and on the way home, a nasty incident ensues from a defect with the car, I think the dealer is legally liable, unless it is proved that it was something other than the car that caused the incident. Onus of proof on the dealer.

A dealer needs to be quite clear that the purchaser should not drive the car, but if they do, it is their responsibility. Public liability comes into it. This would not apply to a private sale (unless 'private' is fake).

ohnonotgmail

Sam Russell wrote: »

I would not agree with this.

If I purchase a car without an NCT from Dodgy Cars Ltd (dealers in classy cars), and on the way home, a nasty incident ensues from a defect with the car, I think the dealer is legally liable, unless it is proved that it was something other than the car that caused the incident. Onus of proof on the dealer.

A dealer needs to be quite clear that the purchaser should not drive the car, but if they do, it is their responsibility. Public liability comes into it. This would not apply to a private sale (unless 'private' is fake).

if the car has no NCT then you are not allowed to drive it. It is your responsibility to ensure that any vehicle you drive on a public road has a valid NCT, where an NCT is required.

Andrew33

Sam Russell wrote: »

I would not agree with this.

Whether you agree or not, that is the current situation.
Caveat emptor. ALWAYS.

Cheensbo

Sam Russell wrote: »

I would not agree with this.

If I purchase a car without an NCT from Dodgy Cars Ltd (dealers in classy cars), and on the way home, a nasty incident ensues from a defect with the car, I think the dealer is legally liable, unless it is proved that it was something other than the car that caused the incident. Onus of proof on the dealer.

A dealer needs to be quite clear that the purchaser should not drive the car, but if they do, it is their responsibility. Public liability comes into it. This would not apply to a private sale (unless 'private' is fake).

why would you drive a car with no NCT on the road though? That would be on you - not the dealer?

Personal responsibility is the only requirement I would have thought, a car dealer isn't some sort of a vocation, they can sell cars for any purpose they wish - trade, for parts, for scrap, roadworthy, unroadworthy - whatever.. Ultimately, the only person responsible for the car they are driving is the driver.

Now, if you have a dealer selling cars with a fake NCT or something, you have a point.

ELM327

Sam Russell wrote: »

I would not agree with this.

If I purchase a car without an NCT from Dodgy Cars Ltd (dealers in classy cars), and on the way home, a nasty incident ensues from a defect with the car, I think the dealer is legally liable, unless it is proved that it was something other than the car that caused the incident. Onus of proof on the dealer.

A dealer needs to be quite clear that the purchaser should not drive the car, but if they do, it is their responsibility. Public liability comes into it. This would not apply to a private sale (unless 'private' is fake).

Sale of Goods and Supply of Services act would concur with you

ohnonotgmail

ELM327 wrote: »

Sale of Goods and Supply of Services act would concur with you

It says that if they drive a car without an NCT that the dealer is responsible?

KevRossi

Any dealer with sense writes a clause in sales contract that states the vehicle is unroadworthy and only suited for parts or extensive repairs, if they know the car to be out of NCT. That's what a couple of them have done to me. I was happy enough with it.

Anyway, enough of that, let's look at some barges.

Here's a low mileage petrol V8 barge with a new NCT valid to September. You can get them cheaper, but this one looks nice. A quick check of the brand for the new tyres will give an indication of ho much it was loved. €4,950.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8-2005/18701236





If you prefer diesel, this is for €3250, NCT to Feb. https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8/26350930

Eric Cartman

tiny miles on that 3.7 and the interior shows it.

KevRossi

KevRossi wrote: »

............. A quick check of the brand for the new tyres will give an indication of ho much it was loved. €4,950............

It's a dealer selling it, if he put on cheap sh1te it's no indication of how much the car was loved.

traco

Those A8's have aged well I think. it it was in the UK with a personalised plate and a nice set of rims most peole would have no clue they are 14 year old cars.

crazyjim

ELM327 wrote: »

Sale of Goods and Supply of Services act would concur with you

Precisely. Section 13 is unequivocal on roadworthiness. The act predates the NCT regime. But NCT is the State's test of roadworthiness.

That's why you see the below. Which seems to be in accordance with Section 13.

KevRossi wrote: »

Any dealer with sense writes a clause in sales contract that states the vehicle is unroadworthy and only suited for parts or extensive repairs, if they know the car to be out of NCT. That's what a couple of them have done to me. I was happy enough with it.

theoneeyedman

mickdw wrote: »

Id drive one too but some of them look very old man ish such as that beige one.
Any other colour in them seems much fresher.
Id say the same of the E class - some look only fit for pensioner and some are sporty depending on spec and colour.

Call it gold, not beige, and it's sound.

commited

KevRossi wrote: »

Any dealer with sense writes a clause in sales contract that states the vehicle is unroadworthy and only suited for parts or extensive repairs, if they know the car to be out of NCT. That's what a couple of them have done to me. I was happy enough with it.

Anyway, enough of that, let's look at some barges.

Here's a low mileage petrol V8 barge with a new NCT valid to September. You can get them cheaper, but this one looks nice. A quick check of the brand for the new tyres will give an indication of ho much it was loved. €4,950.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8-2005/18701236

Lovely jammer but it's been for sale for at least 3 years now. If it's been sitting barely used for all that time, there could be trouble ahead.

I loved my A8, not a small car for city car parks though!

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-s500-lwb-tax-test-2021/26831870



Tidy looking LWB S500 with NCT til July 2021 and a bit of tax, €1850

Original Irish, and 700 quids worth of new tyres apparently. Could be a nice old smoker for about 1500 quid

Atlantic Dawn

Would the DVD unit for the rear have been factory fit? I've seen some cars with them fitted aftermarket and it's a proper butcher job.

Duke O Smiley

Nah, I doubt its original. The w220 was available with a factory rear screen but it looked like this



I'd say that Alpine unit was probably fitted years ago though when the car was fairly new.

Midnight_EG

Merry Christmas bargers

jharr100

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-gs300-nct-tax-low-miles/26879802

GS300 with a shortish test.

Eric Cartman

jharr100 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-gs300-nct-tax-low-miles/26879802

GS300 with a shortish test.

must be on the cc rate with no tax rate mentioned.

Truckermal

Eric Cartman wrote: »

must be on the cc rate with no tax rate mentioned.

No it's €1494.. Same as my old one a beautiful cruiser and bulletproof.

About 1K overpriced, it needs a wheel refurbishment...

trellheim

I drive GS such a pity Lexus arent making them anymore.

KevRossi

LS 460. New NCT to 11/20. Claimed FSH. From a dealer with no info in the ad. Nice reg plate, nice colours.

€4,950. I just checked prices of these in Germany. They go for €13-15,000, but you pay around €300 p.a. for tax over there for one of these.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-ls460-full-service-history-new-nct/26798681

ohnonotgmail

Is the leather on that LS460 very dirty or is that just the colour it is?

Rows Grower

Looking at the seat belt in the rear I'd say she was used to chauffer someone around and the mileage must be astronomical.

Midnight_EG

KevRossi wrote: »

LS 460. New NCT to 11/20. Claimed FSH. From a dealer with no info in the ad. Nice reg plate, nice colours.

€4,950. I just checked prices of these in Germany. They go for €13-15,000, but you pay around €300 p.a. for tax over there for one of these.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-ls460-full-service-history-new-nct/26798681

He's had that a very long time, which is due to the fact that it has nearly half a million kms :P

Padre_Pio

Midnight_EG wrote: »

He's had that a very long time, which is due to the fact that it has nearly half a million kms :P

It would be a good idea to type out the car reg when you post a donedeal ad so you could search and see if a car has come up for sale before. Same cars come up again and again, you could almost track them through the years.

trellheim

personalised reg on that 460 but the leather is manky as some have said, I've been a happy LS400 driver you would normally keep them a bit cleaner than that, and if she was a chauffeur wagon the leather would never have been allowed get near that state . She's had a wash outside and it shows

front passenger seat has the slide forward switch on the right which would tend to back up the chauffeur

Major plus point : its got the Mark Levinson sound which is amazing. That tax tho

Maybe I'm missing it but there seems to be very few LS in Ireland later than 2008

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2007-lexus-ls-460-v8-genuine-low-miles-amp-nctd/26906457



Nice looking original Irish LS here with 67k miles for €4650

trellheim

Also mark levinson audio, also rear screen powerblind, and heated steering wheel nice list of extras on that one ( and compare the state of the leather, what a difference ) argh 1800 tax tho lol ask for a years tax thrown in chuckle

Midnight_EG

trellheim wrote: »

Also mark levinson audio, also rear screen powerblind, and heated steering wheel nice list of extras on that one ( and compare the state of the leather, what a difference ) argh 1800 tax tho lol ask for a years tax thrown in chuckle

Blind and steering wheel were standard I think... The extras extended to the RSR, ML system, Lane Keep Assist, Auto Focus Headlights and Radar Cruise.

hurikane

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Blind and steering wheel were standard I think... The extras extended to the RSR, ML system, Lane Keep Assist, Auto Focus Headlights and Radar Cruise.

Does steering wheel in them come up to meet you when you sit in? Think I drove one in 08/09

Midnight_EG

hurikane wrote: »

Does steering wheel in them come up to meet you when you sit in? Think I drove one in 08/09

Mine does, mines 07

Truckermal

Avoid that one in Midleton it's for sale nearly 3 year's plus dealer was trading under a different name up until lately.

Atlantic Dawn

Truckermal wrote: »

Avoid that one in Midleton it's for sale nearly 3 year's plus dealer was trading under a different name up until lately.

If I recall it had 450k km's on it...probably just run in engine wise but you can see the wear on the driver seat

Midnight_EG

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If I recall it had 450k km's on it...probably just run in engine wise but you can see the wear on the driver seat

Yeah 453 or so 3 years ago :eek:

Andrew33

Truckermal wrote: »

Avoid that one in Midleton it's for sale nearly 3 year's plus dealer was trading under a different name up until lately.

Just what do dealers do with cars like that that just won’t shift?
I looked at and test drove a Forester in Jim Rock Motors back in May 2015! and he still has it up at stupid money. I dunno.

User1998

Just looking at the add for that, he hasn’t updated the photos since. Check out the last photo, tax expired 6 years ago!

http://m.jimrockmotors.ie/photos.php?ad_id=1085162#PhotoSwipe1609959780476

Andrew33

User1998 wrote: »

Just looking at the add for that, he hasn’t updated the photos since. Check out the last photo, tax expired 6 years ago!

http://m.jimrockmotors.ie/photos.php?ad_id=1085162#PhotoSwipe1609959780476

Just to put that into perspective.
https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26700293
Although I wouldn’t trust a postage stamp from that guy.

trellheim

Blind and steering wheel were standard

they weren't on my LS400s. Wish there was some recent 600h out there its the only car really I'd be looking at and theres nothing, and the UK 500h are too pricey still by miles

KevRossi

hurikane wrote: »

Does steering wheel in them come up to meet you when you sit in? Think I drove one in 08/09

I have it in an 06 RX400h. Nice trick alright. I only ever used the power adjustment on seats and steering wheel once; the day I bought the car. Only of use if you're changing drivers regularly.

Andrew33

KevRossi wrote: »

I have it in an 06 RX400h. Nice trick alright. I only ever used the power adjustment on seats and steering wheel once; the day I bought the car. Only of use if you're changing drivers regularly.

I had an Amazon with the same feature, as soon as you remove key from ignition the wheel moves up and away from you. Unfortunately that wears out the plastic gear wheels on motors and they’re over a grand to replace.

Truckermal

Andrew33 wrote: »

Just what do dealers do with cars like that that just won’t shift?
I looked at and test drove a Forester in Jim Rock Motors back in May 2015! and he still has it up at stupid money. I dunno.

No idea TBH but they are dodgy dealer's! I knew who owned the LS as he purchased a new LC500 that time..

hurikane

User1998 wrote: »

Just looking at the add for that, he hasn’t updated the photos since. Check out the last photo, tax expired 6 years ago!

http://m.jimrockmotors.ie/photos.php?ad_id=1085162#PhotoSwipe1609959780476

Used to walk by that regularly. Pretty sure paint is in bits / peeling now

Andrew33

hurikane wrote: »

Used to walk by that regularly. Pretty sure paint is in bits / peeling now

Hard to believe he has sat on it for almost 6 years (or more for all I know). I’ve seen comments about dealers having unsaleable cars on forecourts for tax purposes but I can’t believe that would be the case here.

hurikane

Andrew33 wrote: »

Hard to believe he has sat on it for almost 6 years (or more for all I know). I’ve seen comments about dealers having unsaleable cars on forecourts for tax purposes but I can’t believe that would be the case here.

Looks like it’s there since the end of 2014 https://web.archive.org/web/20141221020418/http://www.jimrockmotors.ie/

E36Ross

October 2014 was the last change of ownership!

So well over 6 years!

Eric Cartman

E36Ross wrote: »

October 2014 was the last change of ownership!

So well over 6 years!

they must be un-clockable so, otherwise that thing would be in Ghana with half those miles on the clock.

Duke O Smiley

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/lexus-sc-430-coupe/26924827



Does this count? It even has NCT til May

€1750! Very cheap. You will be lucky owner #15

KevRossi

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Does this count? It even has NCT til May

€1750! Very cheap. You will be lucky owner #15

That's mad cheap. Yeah, it's nearly 20 years old, ugly and has the max tax, but it's some value all the same. Supposed to be an excellent cruiser, but makes no pretence at being a sports car. You won't get a cheaper V8 cabrio with a semblance of reliability than that.

Padre_Pio

KevRossi wrote: »

That's mad cheap. Yeah, it's nearly 20 years old, ugly and has the max tax, but it's some value all the same. Supposed to be an excellent cruiser, but makes no pretence at being a sports car. You won't get a cheaper V8 cabrio with a semblance of reliability than that.

Can't be arsed to reverse it out and take a pic of the front