LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Hootanany wrote: »

Missus said the Jag was too low got an X5 instead.

So now you know what you need to do.
New missus

BillJ

Well wear bear1, I'd rather be stuck behind the thesis in traffic than a common avensis or something, variety is the spice of life!

It actually looks quite decent from behind imo

bmstuff

Guys is there any decent v8 that comes with a super charger From factory

CianRyan

bmstuff wrote: »

Guys is there any decent v8 that comes with a super charger From factory

Range Rover, Jags, some Mustangs, bound to be more that I'm forgetting.

MadYaker

New M5 has a turbo V8. So do the new (and older pre 6.2 V8) AMG mercs.

CianRyan

MadYaker wrote: »

New M5 has a turbo V8. So do the new (and older pre 6.2 V8) AMG mercs.

Fairly big difference between a turbo and a super charger.

There's that mental Bathurst Holden that sounds like it's screaming.
Old AMGs had them too.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

bmstuff wrote: »

Guys is there any decent v8 that comes with a super charger From factory

The jag Xjr/xkr and range rover sport come to mind as the main EU ones.

Marlow

CianRyan wrote: »

Fairly big difference between a turbo and a super charger.

Not really. Turbo and supercharger are the same principles.

The big difference is, that with a supercharger you have a more linear power delivery and nothing is muffling the sound from the exhaust. Then again, a tiny percentage performance (of the n/a figures) is taken to drive the charger.

With a turbo, you have the lag before it kicks in, it muffles the sound of the car but no initial performance loss. The non-linear power deliver etc.

Non-linear power-deliver is streamlined by using twin-turbos, but still not the same as a charger.

Bottom line, they're just two different pair of shoes, but serve the same purpose.

/M

rovoagho

Your post is technically correct but there remains a big difference. Plimsolls and basketball boots different.

OP, a Jag XJR is what you're looking for.

CianRyan

Marlow wrote: »

Not really. Turbo and supercharger are the same principles.

The big difference is, that with a supercharger you have a more linear power delivery and nothing is muffling the sound from the exhaust. Then again, a tiny percentage performance (of the n/a figures) is taken to drive the charger.

With a turbo, you have the lag before it kicks in, it muffles the sound of the car but no initial performance loss. The non-linear power deliver etc.

Non-linear power-deliver is streamlined by using twin-turbos, but still not the same as a charger.

Bottom line, they're just two different pair of shoes, but serve the same purpose.

/M

You've backed up my argument with that post, if someone is after a supercharged V8 then, a turbo is not what they're after.
They serve a similar purpose but they do it in a completely different manner.

Scortho

Or a jag str.
But whether a 400 bhp s type is a luxobarge is up to you

rovoagho

The only problem with the XJR is that real ones only come with the standard wheelbase, and the back seats aren't very barge-like. You'd need to drop the engine into a LWB to get the best of both worlds. God only knows what the handling'd be like though.

Marcusm

rovoagho wrote: »

The only problem with the XJR is that real ones only come with the standard wheelbase, and the back seats aren't very barge-like. You'd need to drop the engine into a LWB to get the best of both worlds. God only knows what the handling'd be like though.

No need to "drop it in"; these were sold as the Jag Super v8 or Daimler Super 8 in the UK (and perhaps Ireland). In the US, it was the Jag vandenplas. I could not tell the difference handling wise. Ultimately I could not find an LWB version that quite suited. The SV8 interior is more refined than the XJR which has imitation carbon fibre and imitation aluminium.

Here's an example; I've tested an XJR from here in the past. They were nice guys and let us off in the car by ourselves. It got quite a run.


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201311089775977/sort/default/usedcars/price-from/7000/fuel-type/petrol/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-age/up_to_10_years_old/page/3/model/xj/engine-size-cars/4l_to_4-9l/make/jaguar/price-to/30000/saved-search-id/2c9296204076b5e9014097477fa20026/radius/1500/postcode/se14tx?logcode=p

MadYaker

rovoagho wrote: »

The only problem with the XJR is that real ones only come with the standard wheelbase, and the back seats aren't very barge-like. You'd need to drop the engine into a LWB to get the best of both worlds. God only knows what the handling'd be like though.

What generation of XJ are we talking here? I've been in the back of the new one (not LWB) and its plenty big. I don't know about the older models but I'm sure its adequate. Sure you'll be in the front anyway if you buy one.

lomb

Marcusm wrote: »

No need to "drop it in"; these were sold as the Jag Super v8 or Daimler Super 8 in the UK (and perhaps Ireland). In the US, it was the Jag vandenplas. I could not tell the difference handling wise. Ultimately I could not find an LWB version that quite suited. The SV8 interior is more refined than the XJR which has imitation carbon fibre and imitation aluminium.

Here's an example; I've tested an XJR from here in the past. They were nice guys and let us off in the car by ourselves. It got quite a run.


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201311089775977/sort/default/usedcars/price-from/7000/fuel-type/petrol/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/maximum-age/up_to_10_years_old/page/3/model/xj/engine-size-cars/4l_to_4-9l/make/jaguar/price-to/30000/saved-search-id/2c9296204076b5e9014097477fa20026/radius/1500/postcode/se14tx?logcode=p

I just bought a Daimler brochure recently
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Daimler-Super-Eight-Prestige-Brochure-Pack-2006-Shrinkwrapped-and-Unopened-/380753576393?pt=UK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item58a6ae81c9

If the cars are half as nice as the real leather bound brochure with leather samples inside and very intricate printing/ wax paper/ photography then anyone who owns one is in for a real treat.

TireeTerror

rovoagho wrote: »

The only problem with the XJR is that real ones only come with the standard wheelbase, and the back seats aren't very barge-like. You'd need to drop the engine into a LWB to get the best of both worlds. God only knows what the handling'd be like though.

We heard you!

Cleveland Hot Pocket

CianRyan wrote: »

You've backed up my argument with that post, if someone is after a supercharged V8 then, a turbo is not what they're after.
They serve a similar purpose but they do it in a completely different manner.

Exactly. They do the same thing but in the totally opposite way.
The blower is powered by the engine, whereas a turbo uses part of the exhaust.

Plus, supercharger whine is a marmite noise.

kev1.3s

rovoagho wrote: »

The only problem with the XJR is that real ones only come with the standard wheelbase, and the back seats aren't very barge-like. You'd need to drop the engine into a LWB to get the best of both worlds. God only knows what the handling'd be like though.

Well if I could afford the tax on an xjr I wouldn't be sitting in the back.

rovoagho

MadYaker wrote: »

What generation of XJ are we talking here? I've been in the back of the new one (not LWB) and its plenty big. I don't know about the older models but I'm sure its adequate.

This is the luxobarges thread, anything under 10 years of age just confuses us.

The legroom in the back of proper XJs - X308 and earlier - is most certainly not adequate, and I'm not even talking about lanks here. They're renowned for it.

kev1.3s wrote: »

Well if I could afford the tax on an xjr I wouldn't be sitting in the back.

If you drove an XJR, you wouldn't want to sit in the back. They're mental fun.

daz16

rovoagho wrote: »

The only problem with the XJR is that real ones only come with the standard wheelbase, and the back seats aren't very barge-like. You'd need to drop the engine into a LWB to get the best of both worlds. God only knows what the handling'd be like though.

Or hold out for a Daimler super 8

daz16

Winter barge for anyone?

NCT 7/14
114k
2002 x5 3.0d
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/02-x5-3-0d-sport/6068726

Big Nasty

daz16 wrote: »

Winter barge for anyone?

NCT 7/14
114k
2002 x5 3.0d
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/02-x5-3-0d-sport/6068726

Starting to get very reasonable now. I'll be picking up a commercial X5 in a couple years once the gremlin expires.

rovoagho

I don't think I'll ever drive a daysul barge. If I'm going to commit again, I'll be all-in. I may even have a badge made stating my mpg.

I certainly won't be driving anything with Calor Kosangas in the boot.

daz16

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-s-class-s-320-cdi/6063931

S320 cdi
nct 5/14
147k
€2750
or

98 Gs 300
NCT 8/14
All the toys
61k
Looks straight
€950
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/98-lexus-300-950-nct-08-14/6070199

kaimera

bit above the budget, maybe more towards classic?

I quite like.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-560-sec-amg-v8-auto/6068758
1986 560 merc amg
135k miles
€4450

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2003-audi-a8/6065973
03 A8 3.7
"not starting" ~1k to fix ad says
sub 3k.
might be worth a punt if yer decent with cars?

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1995-bmw-840-18-bbs-4-0-v8/6038911
95 840
nct jan 14
3 months tax
2 sets of rims (one with winter tyres)
~5k - I know over budget but the tax and spare rims...might be hard to get the price down.

I just want a 8 series

Hootanany

840 is a beaut

bear1

That Merc though is on UK plates.
The A8, I wonder what the faults are
BMM... nice

Sobanek

bear1 wrote: »

The A8, I wonder what the faults are

ECU fault. This will cost much more than 1k to fix.

bear1

Sobanek wrote: »

ECU fault. This will cost much more than 1k to fix.

Can't the ECU be repaired? Thought I read somewhere a company that repairs them

Sobanek

The car has electrical faults (ECU and ignition)

So I'd stay away as could be flood damaged.

It most likely needs to be resoldered and reprogrammed which is going to cost more than 1k since the ignition needs to be changed too.
AFAIK, on these newer Audis, a new ignition can only be programmed at an Audi Dealership (although Poles have been known to do their magic quite well - proven by those 5 brand new Bentley Continentals stolen from a showroom in Germany)

rovoagho

I'd be getting quotes on the ECU rather than estimates on a forum. I recently got the ABS module on my (admittedly old) Volvo repaired for less than €100 recently, with an as-long-as-you-own-it warranty. New was around £350.

Some sellers are just too lazy to look around, or too ignorant to know better, and obviously main dealers won't tell you about reconditioning. It's worth a few phone calls or emails.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

rovoagho wrote: »

I'd be getting quotes on the ECU rather than estimates on a forum. I recently got the ABS module on my (admittedly old) Volvo repaired for less than €100 recently, with an as-long-as-you-own-it warranty. New was around £350.

Some sellers are just too lazy to look around, or too ignorant to know better, and obviously main dealers won't tell you about reconditioning. It's with a few phone calls or emails.

I find the best people to ask are specialist forums and indy specialists who will do reconditioning and recon parts etc.

Interslice

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2005-vw-phaeton-3-0-tdi-6500e-/5986761




fresh nct - 6500euro. V6TDI.

Don't see these on this thread much, but a proper luxobarge IMO.

CianRyan

Class cars, I'd love a W12.

daz16

merc cl 500
2002 133km
nct 6/14
amg alloys
looks clean
€3950
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercede-cl-500/6074691
(its nearly too cheap to be legit.)
or
2003 s320 petrol
nct and tax 5/14 (wonder is it private or psv)
118k
fsh
s600 alloys
looks tidy
€2900
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/03-s320-fsh-nct-tax-till-05-14-low-mls/5819662

Interslice

CianRyan wrote: »

Class cars, I'd love a W12.

The V10TDI is an animal too. I think I'd prefer it over the W12.

daz16

Interslice wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2005-vw-phaeton-3-0-tdi-6500e-/5986761




fresh nct - 6500euro. V6TDI.

Don't see these on this thread much, but a proper luxobarge IMO.

A rare beast on these shores. You'd nearly take it just to be different.

Sobanek

daz16 wrote: »

2003 s320 petrol
nct and tax 5/14 (wonder is it private or psv)
118k
fsh
s600 alloys
looks tidy
€2900
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/03-s320-fsh-nct-tax-till-05-14-low-mls/5819662

Private tax!

pajor

I've seen a couple of Phaetons for sale before on carzone, both were LHD though! This one is a rare treat so.

Interslice

daz16 wrote: »

A rare beast on these shores. You'd nearly take it just to be different.

Felter it

CianRyan

Interslice wrote: »

The V10TDI is an animal too. I think I'd prefer it over the W12.

I'm very anti-TDI.
Only the petrol will do.

Sobanek

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/audi-a8-2004-3-0-litre-petrol/5728928
2004 3.0 V6 A8 (Petrol)
101k miles
Plenty of NCT
€1,494 tax (bit better than €1,808)


Price: €5,600 - bit above budget, but still - lot of car for the cash

ofcork

Youd think there would be plenty of room in an A8 for 2 kids.

L-M

Never knew they came in 3.0, always thought it was a 3.7.

ofcork

Worse again the newer A8 start from 2 litre!

Cleveland Hot Pocket

pajor wrote: »

I've seen a couple of Phaetons for sale before on carzone, both were LHD though! This one is a rare treat so.

Didn't Matt Simis on here say he had a v10 TDI one at one point? I would say that car with a v10 TDI would be a beast and a half!

Truckermal

ofcork wrote: »

Worse again the newer A8 start from 2 litre!

Ah I see now.

Sobanek

Truckermal wrote: »

Who told you that?? Minimum engine size is 3.0.

They make an A8 Hybrid now with a 2.0 TFSI engine.

147g/km - 390 tax on an A8 is impressive.

Truckermal

Sobanek wrote: »

They make an A8 Hybrid now with a 2.0 TFSI engine.

147g/km - 390 tax on an A8 is impressive.

Jaysus never knew that..

Marcusm

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Didn't Matt Simis on here say he had a v10 TDI one at one point? I would say that car with a v10 TDI would be a beast and a half!

He did say that he thought the 4.2 V8 was the sweetspot in the range.