LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

ArnieSilvia

rovoagho wrote: »

I'm tempted to ring him and ask what a "computer head" is.

Oooh, his face when I pulled the laptop and hooked it up to OBD.
He asked me if I'm some engineer

lomb

ArnieSilvia wrote: »

Oooh, his face when I pulled the laptop and hooked it up to OBD.
He asked me if I'm some engineer

That's funny. I think you had made your mind up anyway before even plugging the laptop in so why have bothered? I can understand it as you travelled to see it so felt committed to investigate it.
I think the best thing to do is to walk away without turning the key if it looks like a dog unless the price allows it.
I think now if serious I wouldn't even bother starting it and would place a ballpark offer if they looked like a serious seller and would follow it up in one/ two weeks and then take it for a test drive. If problems arose then pull out of the sale then.

porsche959

Sobanek wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/bmw-e32-735il-/6610369
Classic barge. Love this shape 7ers. Asking €1,800, no mention of NCT though.

I've always loved the brutish elegance of these cars. One of my favourite BM's. Looks well cared for too.

porsche959

lomb wrote: »

Went to view a CLS 5l week before last from done deal.
The( one )owner who paid around 100k for it . The front was crash damaged with the panel not lining up. He asked me what I saw and I said the panel didn't line up. He said he had rearended someone and shrugged. Every panel was dented and the rear bumper looked like it was touched up with a paint brush. Every alloy was scuffed. First service was at main dealer, second was at Atlas Tyre and Exhaust , one service (all 3 in 9 years) was at a small garage where it had ONE balljoint changed. Turning the steering wheel showed around half an inch of play before the wheel turned. It had in fairness passed an NCT recently so one can overlook that. Also the car wore matched premium tyres so that end was looked after.
When I looked at the exhaust they were black and it wasn't dirt or rust. Not being a diesel I suspected the engine was burning oil and asked him to rev it. He asked me what I expected to see. I said possibly smoke. He then said to me look at the area (posh part of Dublin) look at the type of man I am do you think it will be burning oil? This car has been babyied etc.
I told him Im only here to look to buy a car and needed him to rev it. So he sat in the car and revved it adding around 100 revs from idle. I stared at him and said sorry to waste your time and walked away :rolleyes:

Im on the hunt for a 500 or 560 SEC as a second car now due to road tax issues. I doubt I could enjoy paying 2k for a piece of paper and like my TT roadster just fine as my daily.

That is classic. Sounds like one of those types that bought a bunch of investment properties at the peak of the bubble and has refused to sell any of them because "I'm not going to accept any offers for less that what my properties are worth."

lomb

ArnieSilvia wrote: »

Went to buy this car last week

Seller wasn't honest about the car so I didn't proceed with buying.

On the phone I asked:

On the scale 1-10, 10 being brand new car in showroom what's the condition of bodywork and paint.
His answer was 8.5
Well, I read on pistonheads that there might be problem with paint due to alloy body not working well with its paint.
So on this car pretty much every panel had laquer peel plus scratches on bottom of doors, cracked shiny bits of trim on bumpers etc etc
Seller first thing opened the boot so I paid special attention to it and guess what, the edge at the window all corroded (as in old alloy wheels)
Small crash damage around front light, would have to be looked at (bodyshop/paint)

In essence, if you buy a car like that you'd want it to be presentable and this one was starting to look shabby. OK from 4 meters but not up close.

On the phone seller said 160k, 178k miles in fact
Seats showing signs of wear in line with mileage so I'd say it's genuine 178k if you care. He said "rear seats never been sat in" well questionable I'd say because they had brown hue (baby shyte/chocolate?) and presence of playstation wiring and dvd screen (very small, useless really) kinda show that there were kids involved.
Wood on the steering wheel and gear knob didn't match the dashboard (darker on the dash) but quite a few early ones 2003-2005 models have this "feature"
Small hole on passenger door card, bit of an eyesore thats all
Tyres need replacing and not the same, not a good sign
Car fresheners in the boot so probably damp there

I was driven in it and mechanically it was ok as far as I could tell, no funny noises, gearbox ok etc but I wasn't at the wheel myself so no idea about vibrations from steering/brakes. Power/performance ok but not staggering. It's a massive car and it takes a lot space to turn it around.

In the end I hooked my autocom cdp+ interface but it didn't have much diagnostics on this model (usually it runs through all car's systems such as abs, aircon, lights etc etc, there was no OBDII (engine) related errors.

In the end the diagnostics was a deal breaker. I was a bit disappointed that I couldn't run through all systems. If I could tell that apart from bodywork everything else is fine then yeah, why not. It looks the part, drives like tank and has that sense of occasion when you're in it. In this particular case I walked away. Seller lied and there could be other issues that I couldn't see so it was too much risk for me. I told him that I want to view one more car (which was true).

Afterwards, the owner was piss_d off that I didn't take it (he thought that I'll say "yeah, lovely") and changed the price on ad plus put some smart comment on it about computer geeks coming to view the car :pac: and to make sure his car is the last one you view.

Ive offered him 2k cash by text for it. Id actually consider taking it for that subject to a test drive. It still has a months tax on it so drive it for a few months 3? and export it for sale at auction in the North.

ArnieSilvia

lomb wrote: »

Ive offered him 2k cash by text for it. Id actually consider taking it for that subject to a test drive. It still has a months tax on it so drive it for a few months 3? and export it for sale at auction in the North.

I could look past the bodywork (can be resprayed after all) and mileage (car still felt ok, or like a clocked one with 120k on it), but the fact I won't be able to check its electronic systems and fix it myself with my gear if need be wasn't a good prospect.

Don't take me wrong with the diagnostics, wasn't wasting his time. I was the one who wasted 1.5 hours driving and petrol to get there. I took my time to check it because it's a complex car and without access to car's systems you can't really tell anything these days. It's as important as body/engine/box/suspension check.
Or look at it from my experience. Bought a citroen c3 for local runs, running well, nct, clean enough, no issues found on test drive. Took it on motorway and electronic power steering stopped working. Going into limp home at 90-100km/h. I spent 350 euro in garages (because I didn't feel competent with canbus electronics), 250 euro on parts that I was told to fit that didn't fix the problem after which I bought myself a lexia interface (dealer level diagnostics) and scratched my head thinking how stupid those "specialists" were. Global test revealed most stuff in RED. Took wiring diagrams found where all these signals go and fixed it. All in 6 months worth of worrying about. Would I buy it if I had known? No f..n way!

That jag - 2k is all it's worth IMO as well. Needs paint, sorting out the bodywork, cleaning the seats, tyres. By the time you get there it'll be 4.5k and in the end of the day it'll still be a 03 car with 178k. I might as well get something else and get a proper clean, low mileage xj in few years.

lomb

Exactly, its basically scrap . It deserves scrap money. Now no one is going to sell for that but that is all its worth. If you want a 'real' one youd buy that light blue one in the North(after checking it out) with 116k on it.
If I spent 2 , I wouldnt put another penny into it if I could help it. A 45 minute test drive after agreeing the figure and showing the cash is probably a good idea to show up any issues on this complex cars (that applies to S classes, 7 series as well as many other machines most probably)
I like VAG cars as the diagnostics are easy with the VAG tool and laptop. The problem with Merc is you need Star which costs who knows, same with Jag I wouldnt know where to start.

He hasnt replyed to my text as he wants to be in control and doesnt want me to be. Tough ****e the customer is king at the end of the day with the cash. A good businessman would reply politely that he could accept no lower than 3 but would see what could be done if you came down and had a look and it was a really good car. A willing buyer might then even part with 2800 say after he sweetened the deal. Good luck with that general attitude though hes going to need it.

lomb

ArnieSilvia wrote: »

I could look past the bodywork (can be resprayed after all) and mileage (car still felt ok, or like a clocked one with 120k on it), but the fact I won't be able to check its electronic systems and fix it myself with my gear if need be wasn't a good prospect.

Don't take me wrong with the diagnostics, wasn't wasting his time. I was the one who wasted 1.5 hours driving and petrol to get there. I took my time to check it because it's a complex car and without access to car's systems you can't really tell anything these days. It's as important as body/engine/box/suspension check.
Or look at it from my experience. Bought a citroen c3 for local runs, running well, nct, clean enough, no issues found on test drive. Took it on motorway and electronic power steering stopped working. Going into limp home at 90-100km/h. I spent 350 euro in garages (because I didn't feel competent with canbus electronics), 250 euro on parts that I was told to fit that didn't fix the problem after which I bought myself a lexia interface (dealer level diagnostics) and scratched my head thinking how stupid those "specialists" were. Global test revealed most stuff in RED. Took wiring diagrams found where all these signals go and fixed it. All in 6 months worth of worrying about. Would I buy it if I had known? No f..n way!

That jag - 2k is all it's worth IMO as well. Needs paint, sorting out the bodywork, cleaning the seats, tyres. By the time you get there it'll be 4.5k and in the end of the day it'll still be a 03 car with 178k. I might as well get something else and get a proper clean, low mileage xj in few years.

What was wrong with the Citroen in the end, was it the power steering rack? How much did it all cost to fix? How much for the interface?

ArnieSilvia

lomb wrote: »

What was wrong with the Citroen in the end, was it the power steering rack? How much did it all cost to fix? How much for the interface?

It was two traces SLIGHTLY corroded on an electronics board which compromised communication. 60 euro.

Interface 120 euro plus lots of browsing to get soft going, not easy.
In retrospective I think it would have been a great buy if I didn't use "specialists". Previous owner had new motor fitted, ABS, ABS sensors, p/s ECU, new bearings, wiring checked etc etc. Clowns throwing parts into it were at it. I didn't put a penny into it afterwards incl 2 NCT's (apart from new headlights)

Nforce

lomb wrote: »

Exactly, its basically scrap . It deserves scrap money. Now no one is going to sell for that but that is all its worth. If you want a 'real' one youd buy that light blue one in the North(after checking it out) with 116k on it.
If I spent 2 , I wouldnt put another penny into it if I could help it. A 45 minute test drive after agreeing the figure and showing the cash is probably a good idea to show up any issues on this complex cars (that applies to S classes, 7 series as well as many other machines most probably)
I like VAG cars as the diagnostics are easy with the VAG tool and laptop. The problem with Merc is you need Star which costs who knows, same with Jag I wouldnt know where to start.

He hasnt replyed to my text as he wants to be in control and doesnt want me to be. Tough ****e the customer is king at the end of the day with the cash. A good businessman would reply politely that he could accept no lower than 3 but would see what could be done if you came down and had a look and it was a really good car. A willing buyer might then even part with 2800 say after he sweetened the deal. Good luck with that general attitude though hes going to need it.

The car was up for 2850 when I posted it,iirc. He bumped up the price soon afterwards.

mickyellow

I'd love to pull up to work in this monster and take up about 4 parking spaces

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/monster-truck-road-legal/5831512

jimgoose

mickyellow wrote: »

I'd love to pull up to work in this monster and take up about 4 parking spaces

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/monster-truck-road-legal/5831512

That is not a Monster Truck, that is a little metrosexual 4x4 in a pair of engineer's boots. A monster truck has a supercharged V8 dragster engine on nitromethane, and looks like this:

daRobot

wow, the two guys who have posted up their experience have really encountered 'Irish' car sellers. As in flat out liars, and full of batsh*t odd behaviour.

I assume he's referring to ArnieSilva as mr computer, due to you bringing an OBD scanner. While that's not exactly typical of the average consumer (it should be though), his reaction of trying to mock you for not buying his heap, and then raising the price is just comical.

But not as comical as that guy saying "Look at the type of man I am". The type of man who takes his CLS500 for a service in Atlas, right?

I think I'm going to start viewing cars with the intention of getting material for a 'Savage Eye' style sketch show :pac:

ArnieSilvia

Another good one today. Not a Luxobarge but hey, while we're at it

Some lady rang me that she wants to buy my wife's car but ideally she'd prefer trade in hers (same car, year) with fault (engine randomly losing power) because she spent "fortune" fixing it and it isn't fixed but I might know how to fix it.

I told her that I'm not in a position to sell now as my other car got stolen last weekend and I want to buy a Jaaaag first.

I volunteered to help her out as she seemed to be genuine and local.

It was meant to be a mint car with 40k miles on it (her words).

So I went, her car was an absolute heap of shyte, dented, pieces of external trim off etc. I couldn't force myself to sit inside, smell was disgusting. Looked like it was never cleaned, spilled coffee on the dash, layer of muck on the body and so on.

Anyway, told her what the problem was and promptly went home.

People are just unrealistic. She said that she thinks it's worth 2.5k while it was worth max 500 (can't sell my car which is identical and in pretty good condition, clean, nct and all for 1.2k) Oh and she thought I'll give her cash with the swap because her car has low miles:rolleyes:

Kaiser D

What was the car!?

And what was her response to you not taking it?

Clungewellies

Alanstrainor wrote: »

How in the name of Jaysis did a car like that, with that engine end up registered in this country. Madness! Saw a silver vel satis on the motorway over the weekend and thought it looked class though.

This was previously my families car since new, have to say its an absolute rocket and is quite fond of a drink. Wouldn't be as sensible as a daysul although :pac:

Kaiser D

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/jaguar-xj-3-2-2002-nct-2-15-may-swap/6004705

Slowly falling into bangernomics territory..

ninty9er

I was browsing for a Corsa OPC and came across this

http://adverts.ie/4984766

daRobot

V10 Phaeton £4,350 asking:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLKSWAGEN-PHAETON-5-0TDI-V10-4MOITION-AUTO-LIMO-2005-53-/181326280316?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2a37e3767c

VRT is 2k.

Quite a chunk of car for that money.

lomb

daRobot wrote: »

V10 Phaeton £4,350 asking:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLKSWAGEN-PHAETON-5-0TDI-V10-4MOITION-AUTO-LIMO-2005-53-/181326280316?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2a37e3767c

VRT is 2k.

Quite a chunk of car for that money.

Very few will pay 7500e imported inc shipping for an overgrown Passat though. Also a v10 5l diesel is a bit of a contradiction in terms. Still I wouldn't mind a shot of it. A friend drove a v10 tdi Touareg and loved it.

Oafley Jones

lomb wrote: »

Very few will pay 7500e imported inc shipping for an overgrown Passat though. Also a v10 5l diesel is a bit of a contradiction in terms. Still I wouldn't mind a shot of it. A friend drove a v10 tdi Touareg and loved it.

While I agree about its prospects. Badge aside, It's as much a Passat, as an LS is an Overgrown avensis.

daRobot

lomb wrote: »

Very few will pay 7500e imported inc shipping for an overgrown Passat though. Also a v10 5l diesel is a bit of a contradiction in terms. Still I wouldn't mind a shot of it. A friend drove a v10 tdi Touareg and loved it.

You've got to drive one. Honestly, they are very special. They are incredibly well built, and finished.

Matt Simis on here had one, and I test drove it with the intention of buying (couldn't shift my own car in time though). It was remapped to 380+ and the torque was absolutely mindblowing. V10 makes a nice noise too for a diesel.

My only fault with the car was overly assisted steering, and somewhat spongy brakes.

MPG isn't too bad either. 18-20 city, and 28'ish on motorway.

lomb

ArnieSilvia wrote: »

Went to buy this car last week

Seller wasn't honest about the car so I didn't proceed with buying.

On the phone I asked:

On the scale 1-10, 10 being brand new car in showroom what's the condition of bodywork and paint.
His answer was 8.5
Well, I read on pistonheads that there might be problem with paint due to alloy body not working well with its paint.
So on this car pretty much every panel had laquer peel plus scratches on bottom of doors, cracked shiny bits of trim on bumpers etc etc
Seller first thing opened the boot so I paid special attention to it and guess what, the edge at the window all corroded (as in old alloy wheels)
Small crash damage around front light, would have to be looked at (bodyshop/paint)

In essence, if you buy a car like that you'd want it to be presentable and this one was starting to look shabby. OK from 4 meters but not up close.

On the phone seller said 160k, 178k miles in fact
Seats showing signs of wear in line with mileage so I'd say it's genuine 178k if you care. He said "rear seats never been sat in" well questionable I'd say because they had brown hue (baby shyte/chocolate?) and presence of playstation wiring and dvd screen (very small, useless really) kinda show that there were kids involved.
Wood on the steering wheel and gear knob didn't match the dashboard (darker on the dash) but quite a few early ones 2003-2005 models have this "feature"
Small hole on passenger door card, bit of an eyesore thats all
Tyres need replacing and not the same, not a good sign
Car fresheners in the boot so probably damp there

I was driven in it and mechanically it was ok as far as I could tell, no funny noises, gearbox ok etc but I wasn't at the wheel myself so no idea about vibrations from steering/brakes. Power/performance ok but not staggering. It's a massive car and it takes a lot space to turn it around.

In the end I hooked my autocom cdp+ interface but it didn't have much diagnostics on this model (usually it runs through all car's systems such as abs, aircon, lights etc etc, there was no OBDII (engine) related errors.

In the end the diagnostics was a deal breaker. I was a bit disappointed that I couldn't run through all systems. If I could tell that apart from bodywork everything else is fine then yeah, why not. It looks the part, drives like tank and has that sense of occasion when you're in it. In this particular case I walked away. Seller lied and there could be other issues that I couldn't see so it was too much risk for me. I told him that I want to view one more car (which was true).

Afterwards, the owner was piss_d off that I didn't take it (he thought that I'll say "yeah, lovely") and changed the price on ad plus put some smart comment on it about computer geeks coming to view the car :pac: and to make sure his car is the last one you view.

So I offered him 2250 cash by text for it and told him that's what revenue vrt calculator thinks its worth. He texted back saying for 2500 its yours. Just goes to show his add saying no texts and talk of nonsense of test pilots and computer heads means **** all when logic and cold hard cash is involved. Id safely say I could buy that in a week or two for 2250 if I wanted. (Not going to though as Ive no interest in driving something with big miles, Id rather pay more for a good one)

rovoagho

Big miles != Bad
Small miles != Good

Kaiser D

No, thats not true at all.

Sobanek

rovoagho wrote: »

Big miles != Bad
Small miles != Good

My 320ci passed the 280k km mark today and still runs like a dream.

Ded_Zebra

rovoagho wrote: »

Big miles != Bad
Small miles != Good

Well looked after = good

Not looked after = bad

Senior Bill

rovoagho wrote: »

Big miles != Bad
Small miles != Good

Hello, just to say as someone who likes good motors, I find this forum very informative, in fact I went to the north and bought the Jaguar first posted by Sobanek, Thanks to him. This is a really nice car, well worth the 4000 I paid. It has some corrosion which I have arranged to be done but overall a car that has been cared for. Here is the thing, I am presently driving a VW Phaeton and Lexus Ls 430, and had never driven a Jagua,r a completely different kind of drive, this one so impressed me I wanted a even better one, a V8 so I went online and bought a British Racing Green Sovereign, with 74.000 miles so now the blue one is on offer for what it cost me, I offer it here first, as I know its a good one. I will be keeping the Lexus and Phaeton so no offers thanks Bill

Sobanek

Nice to hear! Enjoy it!

And post some pics when you have a chance!

bidiots

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

Well looked after = good

Not looked after = bad

Just an fyi lads
!= means 'does not equal'

Not programmers/mathematicians I presume

mickdw

bidiots wrote: »

Just an fyi lads
!= means 'does not equal'

Not programmers/mathematicians I presume

I've degree level engineering maths and ive not seen that used.

Oafley Jones

Also + means something like addition, like adding stuff together and ****. Just something I read, but I'm not a mathematician or programmer so it could be wrong.

bidiots

Its a coding/math construct, Just clarifying as I've seen it's been misunderstood

bcmf

Luxobarge thread = here
Maths other stuff = over there ->

Senior Bill

Sobanek wrote: »

Nice to hear! Enjoy it!

And post some pics when you have a chance!

Afraid I did not think to get the photos of the blue one before the ad was taken down, but most of you had seen them anyway. some photos of the sovereign I bought am collecting it on Tuesday.

Nforce

^^^^^^^^^^^^

rovoagho

I'm not a fan of that model, but if I had to buy one, that'd be it. Lovely colour, fab wheels and it looks in great nick. Well wear.

Senior Bill

rovoagho wrote: »

I'm not a fan of that model, but if I had to buy one, that'd be it. Lovely colour, fab wheels and it looks in great nick. Well wear.

I have always liked the look of a Jaguar, but never drove one until I got the blue one, amazing, it must be the most engaging car I have ever driven, I knew straight away when I seen it. I was going to buy, but it was not until I actually drove it that I fell in love.Bill

L-M

Love those Jags. Black and LWB would be the one for me. Love the wheels. Petrol I presume?

Senior Bill

Limerick man wrote: »

Love those Jags. Black and LWB would be the one for me. Love the wheels. Petrol I presume?

Off course petrol, diesel is for taxis, guys who do mega miles and people who know no better.

However my Phaeton a 3.0 diesel,is a great car, I would love to change it for a V8 petrol model or even a W12, now, that would be some car.

L-M

A Phaeton and an XJ, a man after my own heart!

unkel

That XJ is stunning! Well wear and welcome to boards

I hope you have a big smile on your face everytime you pass a 141 plated Hyundai knowing it's more expensive to own than your high end flagship

older bill

Limerick man wrote: »

A Phaeton and an XJ, a man after my own heart!

I have a Lexus Ls 430 as well, now that is a luxobarge, I got annoyed when my son paid a lot of money for a poverty spec E 250 and said I could have 5 of the best saloon cars in the world for less. Just need the S class and 7 series but no rush I have until October

Senior Bill

older bill wrote: »

I have a Lexus Ls 430 as well, now that is a luxobarge, I got annoyed when my son paid a lot of money for a poverty spec E 250 and said I could have 5 of the best saloon cars in the world for less. Just need the S class and 7 series but no rush I have until October

Sorry guys, logged in on iPad which had remembered details for older bill I did not, so created Senior Bill , apologies.

Jesus.

Senior Bill wrote: »

However my Phaeton a 3.0 diesel,is a great car.

Is that an Auto, Bill?

Sobanek

Jesus. wrote: »

Is that an Auto, Bill?

There wasn't a manual Phaeton.

Sobanek

7 Series must be a V12

Jesus.

Sobanek wrote: »

There wasn't a manual Phaeton.

I see. A decent auto box on a diesel can be quite nice to drive. I heard the Phaetons are just bloated Passats but I'd say they'd have to be a bit more luxurious?

Oafley Jones

Jesus. wrote: »

I see. A decent auto box on a diesel can be quite nice to drive. I heard the Phaetons are just bloated Passats but I'd say they'd have to be a bit more luxurious?

Stop listening to whoever said that.

Jesus.

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Stop listening to whoever said that.

I think it was Jeremy Clarkson...