LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

Kaiser D

What should I look out for on something like this?
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-cl500-nctd/6915961

bear1

Kaiser D wrote: »

What should I look out for on something like this?
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-cl500-nctd/6915961

Nothing, now go and buy it!

Big Nasty

Kaiser D wrote: »

What should I look out for on something like this?
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-cl500-nctd/6915961

Glasses! :pac:

Kaiser D

Really fits the bill tbh. Its something a bit 'different' and certainl not an everyday sight, and I like the looks.

This would be a Legend replacement/everyday driver but I have heard horror stories so I'm weary.

CianRyan

If it's to replace the Legend, I'd keep the Legend.

You know the few jobs that needs, a big old Merc could ruin a millionaire.

Kaiser D

CianRyan wrote: »

If it's to replace the Legend, I'd keep the Legend.

You know the few jobs that needs, a big old Merc could ruin a millionaire.

I don't really have any intentions of getting rid of the Legend, it will stay.

I'm just a bit bored, I'd like something nice again.

CianRyan

Kaiser D wrote: »

I don't really have any intentions of getting rid of the Legend, it will stay.

I'm just a bit bored, I'd like something nice again.

So fix the bloody Legend instead of buying a Merc from the suspect era! :pac:

Kaiser D

CianRyan wrote: »

So fix the bloody Legend instead of buying a Merc from the suspect era! :pac:

The Legend can stay in storage, its SORN'd for the next few months anyway.

I'm gonna buy something big and fast :pac:

Moneymaker

Aren't Mercs from that era a electrics/rust nightmare?

MadYaker

Thats very ugly.

porsche959

Kaiser D wrote: »

What should I look out for on something like this?
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-cl500-nctd/6915961

It has a certain brutish elegance...cost was around IR£150k new IIRC!

Ded_Zebra

Kaiser D wrote: »

What should I look out for on something like this?
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-cl500-nctd/6915961

IMO you should look out for one that's not silver and has a nice interior (I hate black leather)

Atlantic Dawn

porsche959 wrote: »

It has a certain brutish elegance...cost was around IR£150k new IIRC!

Sweet jaysus.

I would love a comparision of high cost cars from the mid 2000's to now of €100k plus cars to see how many of them people are buying.

Kaiser D

Moneymaker wrote: »

Aren't Mercs from that era a electrics/rust nightmare?

I've heard, thats why I'm a bit cautious.

MadYaker wrote: »

Thats very ugly.

I know, thats why I like it :P

porsche959 wrote: »

It has a certain brutish elegance...cost was around IR£150k new IIRC!

Theres something about an elegant German that I like. Especially this.

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

IMO you should look out for one that's not silver and has a nice interior (I hate black leather)

For the price though, I'm not really complaining. I'm not a huge fan of silver tbh, but still...

JJJJNR

In the same vein as the previous, THIS .. was there something wrong with the owner that they needed a bullet proof glassed merc. . keep all those good lookin women away I suppose.

Voodoomelon

^^ That's classic, I laughed out loud on reading the ad.

* full black leather

* full electrics all around

* full service history from new

* first owned by Joe Dolan

Ha ha!

Kaiser D

You see, is the black CL420 overpriced or is the silver CL500 really underpriced? Or both?

daRobot

JJJJNR wrote: »

In the same vein as the previous, THIS .. was there something wrong with the owner that they needed a bullet proof glassed merc. . keep all those good lookin women away I suppose.

It's not bullet proof, as in an armoured car. Not a chance.

It's just got double glazing, and the dealer is either thick, misinformed or attempting to deceive. Or perhaps a combination of all three.

daRobot

Kaiser D wrote: »

You see, is the black CL420 overpriced or is the silver CL500 really underpriced? Or both?

Nah, the silver CL is on the money. I'd get it looked at before purchase though.

If you want the name of a really good merc specialist in south dublin, drop me a PM.

Kaiser D

daRobot wrote: »

Nah, the silver CL is on the money. I'd get it looked at before purchase though.

If you want the name of a really good merc specialist in south dublin, drop me a PM.

If you could PM me their contact details that'd be great.

Old diesel

CianRyan wrote: »

So fix the bloody Legend instead of buying a Merc from the suspect era! :pac:

You see heres the thing im doubtful about.

Certainly that era was a dodgy era for Merc

BUT that's a coupe version of the W140 S class - and the W140 S class came out in 1991 - which I believe was JUST before Merc started cutting costs - sorry I mean corners .

So the question is - even though that's a 98 - is the W140 a proper old School Merc for quality

Kaiser D

What about this? Newer model, same money, nicer colour (imo)
Obviously the lack of NCT and no mileage listed in a concern.
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-cl-500/6923409

Old diesel

Kaiser D wrote: »

What about this? Newer model, same money, nicer colour (imo)
Obviously the lack of NCT and no mileage listed in a concern.
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-cl-500/6923409

Now theres no doubt that looks a lot nicer then the W140 styling wise - but your DEFINITELY into the BAD Merc era with that.

LS 400 or late E38 7 series no good????

Kaiser D

Old diesel wrote: »

Now theres no doubt that looks a lot nicer then the W140 styling wise - but your DEFINITELY into the BAD Merc era with that.

LS 400 or late E38 7 series no good????

An LS, probably not unless I could get a 430. Not really a fan of the E38, plus I'm leaning a but towards big coupes.

RyanMGF

daRobot wrote: »

It's not bullet proof, as in an armoured car. Not a chance.

It's just got double glazing, and the dealer is either thick, misinformed or attempting to deceive. Or perhaps a combination of all three.

Yeah, the amount of people who assume the double glazing is bullet proof glass on the W140 S-Class' and the CLs is ridiculous.

Old diesel wrote: »

Certainly that era was a dodgy era for Merc

BUT that's a coupe version of the W140 S class - and the W140 S class came out in 1991 - which I believe was JUST before Merc started cutting costs - sorry I mean corners .

So the question is - even though that's a 98 - is the W140 a proper old School Merc for quality

I wouldn't associate the W140 with any of the cost cutting crap that affected some of the later Mercs. The 140 is one of the very best cars MB ever made, more than a match for anything to come out of Japan.

Voodoomelon

Kaiser D wrote: »

What about this? Newer model, same money, nicer colour (imo)
Obviously the lack of NCT and no mileage listed in a concern.
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-cl-500/6923409

I think those wheels are pretty crap on the S-class they came off, but look pretty damn good on that CL.

MadYaker

Kaiser D wrote: »

An LS, probably not unless I could get a 430. Not really a fan of the E38, plus I'm leaning a but towards big coupes.

Old diesel

RyanMGF wrote: »

Yeah, the amount of people who assume the double glazing is bullet proof glass on the W140 S-Class' and the CLs is ridiculous.



I wouldn't associate the W140 with any of the cost cutting crap that affected some of the later Mercs. The 140 is one of the very best cars MB ever made, more than a match for anything to come out of Japan.

You see that was my thinking too - hence my posts - but I just wasn't sure if any of the cost cutting had impacted on the W140 by 98.

For example - it seems the pre facelift W124s were better cars then the post facelift W124s (badged E class)

JohnxF

Old diesel wrote: »

You see heres the thing im doubtful about.

Certainly that era was a dodgy era for Merc

BUT that's a coupe version of the W140 S class - and the W140 S class came out in 1991 - which I believe was JUST before Merc started cutting costs - sorry I mean corners .

So the question is - even though that's a 98 - is the W140 a proper old School Merc for quality

It's a W140 so it's one of the last of the old school over-engineered Mercs. I've got a 98 CL420 and I love it. There's quite a lot around and at varying prices - some cheaper than the silver one, not many at the price of the black one. They can all scrub up ok in the photos so you'd need to take a good look at it. There's a lot of electrics on them, and at this stage they're getting on a bit so things can start to go. Be sure to press all the buttons and check they all work.Things like soft-close doors maybe broken but not need to be fixed if you're happy without it whereas non-working windows would really need repair. I'd say as usual you are better buying the best car and no the cheapest.

CianRyan

Kaiser D wrote: »

An LS, probably not unless I could get a 430. Not really a fan of the E38, plus I'm leaning a but towards big coupes.

The original LS400 is regarded as the best of that era, if not of all the LS range.

Go for a Toyota Celsior for premium spec and rarity.

Kaiser D

CianRyan wrote: »

The original LS400 is regarded as the best of that era, if not of all the LS range.

Go for a Toyota Celsior for premium spec and rarity.

Buying an LS400 would be like buying another Legend, they're almost the same car, just one has a slightly larger engine. The Legend is bigger and has everything I want from a saloon. I was in a Celsior before, it was an LS400 just with no leather seats? Had all the JDM gizmos from the Legend, so no point in looking for one of those really.

I'm after a coupe now, think of it as an early mid-life crisis :P

Atlantic Dawn

CianRyan wrote: »

The original LS400 is regarded as the best of that era, if not of all the LS range.

Go for a Toyota Celsior for premium spec and rarity.

It typically has poverty spec non leather cloth interior though, otherwise good.

CianRyan

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It typically has poverty spec non leather cloth interior though, otherwise good.

That is true but crazy speced ones do turn up on the auction sites.
I'd love to build a VIP one. :cool:

Atlantic Dawn

CianRyan wrote: »

That is true but crazy speced ones do turn up on the auction sites.
I'd love to build a VIP one. :cool:

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Was reading up on the development costs for the LS, bloody insane, billions spent, I suppose the typical motorist got a glimps of some of them when they bought a new car 10 years later.

daveohdave

Loving the black 500, but I read somewhere a while back that the 420 is the way to go. Can't remember where for the life of me though.

I'd be the opposite way on black interiors, I'd always prefer black, or failing that brown. I _hate_ "ivory" interiors, like Jaguar put in a ridiculous number of x308s. Vile!

The one exception I'd make is the mad red interior on E61 M5s. I should hate it, but I absolutely love it.

Moneymaker

Kaiser D wrote: »

Buying an LS400 would be like buying another Legend, they're almost the same car, just one has a slightly larger engine. The Legend is bigger and has everything I want from a saloon. I was in a Celsior before, it was an LS400 just with no leather seats? Had all the JDM gizmos from the Legend, so no point in looking for one of those really.

I'm after a coupe now, think of it as an early mid-life crisis :P

How about a 6 or 8 series?

Kaiser D

Moneymaker wrote: »

How about a 6 or 8 series?

Both out of my price range, unfortunately.

6 series is too new for my liking anyway.

Ardennes1944

Phaeton up for sale again http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/vw-phaeton-3-0-tdi/6931173

porsche959

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Sweet jaysus.

I would love a comparision of high cost cars from the mid 2000's to now of €100k plus cars to see how many of them people are buying.

Not sure where you could get that...definitely number of such cars sold new is a fraction of numbers during the bubble years.

FWIW, prices of CL range now range from €192k to a breathtaking €366k for the 630bhp CL65 AMG :eek:

http://www.mercedes-benz.ie/content/ireland/mpc/mpc_ireland_website/enng/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/cl-class/_c216/advice_sales/pricelist.html

Eric Cartman

porsche959 wrote: »

Not sure where you could get that...definitely number of such cars sold new is a fraction of numbers during the bubble years.

FWIW, prices of CL range now range from €192k to a breathtaking €366k for the 630bhp CL65 AMG :eek:

http://www.mercedes-benz.ie/content/ireland/mpc/mpc_ireland_website/enng/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/cl-class/_c216/advice_sales/pricelist.html

theres near on 100k between the cl63 and cl65 , i cant imagine why anybody would pay that difference , if you need something cl65 fast, go buy something italian and insane.

porsche959

Eric Cartman wrote: »

theres near on 100k between the cl63 and cl65 , i cant imagine why anybody would pay that difference , if you need something cl65 fast, go buy something italian and insane.

I am struggling to understand the 100k difference myself. Personally if funds were no object would buy an Italian exotic in a heartbeat before any Merc no matter how good.

Big Nasty

TBH I would be happier in an M / RS / AMG than an exotic Italian. Every bit as good and more usable IMO.

Eric Cartman

porsche959 wrote: »

I am struggling to understand the 100k difference myself. Personally if funds were no object would buy an Italian exotic in a heartbeat before any Merc no matter how good.

if you get the amg performance pack (7k) theres only 58hp between the 63 and the 65 , the 65 is the v12 , tbh unless you 100k like the sound of the v12 its a complete waste of money and the 63 will still tear your face off with the windows open.

the s class models devalue so quick http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/classifieds/used-cars/mercedes-benz/s-class/2011my-60-mercedes-s500l-5-5-v8-388-lwb-special-order--lunatic-spec--vat-qualifying/2161668

Voodoomelon

Whilst I agree, it's not that big a deal for those who can afford it. I suppose it's akin to the difference between one of us mere mortals buying a new 535d over a 520d. It's the same proportional difference.

Redsoxfan

Ardennes1944 wrote: »

Phaeton up for sale again http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/vw-phaeton-3-0-tdi/6931173

Did anyone check this out before? No NCT?

mickdw

Redsoxfan wrote: »

Did anyone check this out before? No NCT?

Wonder what the story is?
Asking less than before. Something serious up with it.

Eric Cartman

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Whilst I agree, it's not that big a deal for those who can afford it. I suppose it's akin to the difference between one of us mere mortals buying a new 535d over a 520d. It's the same proportional difference.

I wouldnt go that far, the 520d and 535d are miles apart , this is 58bhp on a 550+ bhp car , youd really feel the difference between the beamers , i doubt youd notice much on the mercs.

Voodoomelon

I know what you're saying but I mean from a price point of a view, it's much the same to very wealthy people.

jayok

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

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Was reading up on the development costs for the LS, bloody insane, billions spent, I suppose the typical motorist got a glimps of some of them when they bought a new car 10 years later.

Yeah, but the technology developed for the LS will roll down to "lesser" models over the next 10-15 years, so while the budget was massive, it was also like an R&D project for the entire product offerings.

_Kaiser_

daRobot wrote: »

Nah, the silver CL is on the money. I'd get it looked at before purchase though.

If you want the name of a really good merc specialist in south dublin, drop me a PM.

Kaiser D wrote: »

If you could PM me their contact details that'd be great.

Me too please. Friend of mine has a CL500 that he wants to get afew bits checked out on

Cheers!