LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

Crasp

At that price it needs a tax disc too... be a nice car to have all the same.

watching this thread like a hawk as I'm in the market for a luxobarge myself. .. I like the idea of a cl for that price but I'm not mad on the wooden dash .. (a common issue with this type of car). still, I couldn't resist posting it here, figured there would be some interest

PurvesGrundy

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I love the high motor tax system in this country, bargains, bargains, bargains for the common man, cheaper than anywhere else on earth for a Joe Soap to buy out and out luxury

You can get either of these for under 4k right now in the UK and they are no more than £300 for annual tax over there:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/mercedes-benz/cl/mercedes-benz-cl-cl500-2dr-auto/2089153

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/mercedes-benz/cl/mercedes-benz-cl-cl500-2dr-auto-high-spec-mint-car/2301446

Nothing excuses the fact that this is a really terrible country for motoring. CC based tax almost forbids us to own anything over 2.0 litre with rates that are unjustifiable for many.

bear1

I think the best way to look at it is through economies of scale. The UK has what, 50 million people?
So they are able to have lower rates as they will in turn still make a lot of money.
Ireland has 5 million or so, so our rates are calculated on this amount, I'd say if we had a higher population like the UK then our rates would probably be similar.
Or I'm talking utter ****e and out Government is a bastard

kupus

bear1 wrote: »

I think the best way to look at it is through economies of scale. The UK has what, 50 million people?
So they are able to have lower rates as they will in turn still make a lot of money.
Ireland has 5 million or so, so our rates are calculated on this amount, I'd say if we had a higher population like the UK then our rates would probably be similar.
Or I'm talking utter ****e and out Government is a bastard

MAybe its that government dont wnat heavy burners, after all the big houses that were built for 2-4 people burning up all the oil, the less heavy burners on the road the better as more money is not being sent out of the country.
Remember the introduction of speed limits was 1) safety 2) to conserve oil production.
Maybe the government are just idiots.

Seweryn

kupus wrote: »

MAybe its that government dont wnat heavy burners, after all the big houses that were built for 2-4 people burning up all the oil, the less heavy burners on the road the better as more money is not being sent out of the country.

Nonsense. Our motor tax is based on the size of the engine, not on usage. Nobody cares if you burn 10 litres per month in your 5l V8 or 100 litres in a "green hybrid" engined car.

kupus

What is nonsense that speed limits were reduced to save on fuel usage? Look it up. So whats to say this is not an extension of that thinking? Tax heavy burners high so to limit their usage to comply with that kauto agreement thingy.

I hope you are aware that...... a 5.0 S class will use more than a 1.0 yaris or a "green hybrid" engined car.

So the government are complying with kuato and getting the mass of people to get into smaller engine cars.
This cuts down on the amount of money being SENT OUT of the country. Something Ireland doesnt need right now as keeping money in Ireland is the name of the game at the moment.

Seweryn

kupus wrote: »

What is nonsense that speed limits were reduced to save on fuel usage? Look it up.

Speed limits were never lowered here in Ireland to save on fuel usage. The speed limits in general are too high (except motorways) in most circumstances in this country.

kupus wrote: »

I hope you are aware that...... a 5.0 S class will use more than a 1.0 yaris or a "green hybrid" engined car.

Yes, it will. But what I was saying is that you still pay the same amount of tax if you burn 10 litres of fuel or 100 litres. The tax is not based on usage. You may live your car parked on your driveway and use it once a month while still being charged the same amount if you were driving the car 24 hours per day round the clock.

kupus wrote: »

So the government are complying with kuato and getting the mass of people to get into smaller engine cars.

They not doing anything like you suggested. Yes, the huge rates put people off the large engined cars. But the only good thing the Government could do is to put all the car taxes based on usage, i.e. included them in fuel price.

ryan101

kupus wrote: »

What is nonsense that speed limits were reduced to save on fuel usage? Look it up. So whats to say this is not an extension of that thinking? Tax heavy burners high so to limit their usage to comply with that kauto agreement thingy.

I hope you are aware that...... a 5.0 S class will use more than a 1.0 yaris or a "green hybrid" engined car.

So the government are complying with kuato and getting the mass of people to get into smaller engine cars.
This cuts down on the amount of money being SENT OUT of the country. Something Ireland doesnt need right now as keeping money in Ireland is the name of the game at the moment.

How much money goes out of the country when a new car is bought ?
And re using an old car is a lot more environmentally friendly than creating a new one.
Above all I fundamentally disagree with taxing people who cannot afford newer cars at a much higher rate, but no surprise in a county that is not a democracy but a plutocracy.

kupus

Seweryn wrote: »

Speed limits were never lowered here in Ireland to save on fuel usage. The speed limits in general are too high (except motorways) in most circumstances in this country.

Irish roads are sh1te and in the past were a lot sh1tter, I remember a main road to dublin with more twists and turns than a snakes and ladders game.And thats not so long ago. So it was impossible to get to top speed barr in a few places. I will concede that Irish limits were never lowered (in my knowledge) to save on fuel, but had the roads being a decent standard Ireland may have reduced buts thats all maybe on behalf of my argument.

Yes, it will. But what I was saying is that you still pay the same amount of tax if you burn 10 litres of fuel or 100 litres. The tax is not based on usage. You may live your car parked on your driveway and use it once a month while still being charged the same amount if you were driving the car 24 hours per day round the clock.

Im talking about having to fuel cars in the now and the future. Ireland buys its fuel from outside, so this money is being spent outside of the country which has no benefit to Ireland, except for the bloodsuckers that are in that trade (I know them and they are not nice people with very shady business dealings and it only takes one person to raise the price of fuel that particular day,)
Now Ireland has to reduce its spending on outside fuel, think of a ledger book. imports and exports work the same way. THe more imports into a country, more money goes out. The more exports go out, the more money comes in. Ireland has no choice but to import fuel. But it can be reduced by getting people into smaller more fuel efficient cars.
which is why im saying MAYBE just maybe government are trying to get rid of gas guzzlers to reduce having to spend money outside.
be back for more...

They not doing anything like you suggested. Yes, the huge rates put people off the large engined cars. But the only good thing the Government could do is to put all the car taxes based on usage, i.e. included them in fuel price.

ryan101 wrote: »

How much money goes out of the country when a new car is bought ?

Most of it, barr taxes and duties. You maybe surprised to know that dealers made f all on their new cars being sold. In some cases only 500 euro. THeir main income was the parts, which I view as a completely different business.

And re using an old car is a lot more environmentally friendly than creating a new one.

Scrappage schemes encourage trade turnover, encouraging money transactions on behalf of simi traders and trickle down econmonics. Gives jobs to salesmen and dealers and jobs in the manufacturing of cars.
Using your old car does not do any of these things. In fact many of these bangers that were scrapped were perfect.



Above all I fundamentally disagree with taxing people who cannot afford newer cars at a much higher rate, but no surprise in a county that is not a democracy but a plutocracy.

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will be back later with more have to go and im a slow typist.

ryan101

It definitely makes more sense from a green perspective to keep your old car running and well-maintained as long as you can

http://environment.about.com/od/environmentfriendlyautos/a/new_old_cars.htm

Big Nasty

More barge less waffle!

Sobanek

Nice little 4x4.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/range-rover-2002/6957573

No mention of NCT though.

Red Kev

BMW 730d, €5950, NCT till 10/14. Seems to have a very high spec, claimed FSH (easy to verify), lovely colour IMO.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2004-bmw-730d-m-sport-auto-leather/7056754


RR diesel, NCT 01/15, €6000

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/range-rover-hse/7035638



Something for the summer has the smallest engine but it's the only R129 with an NCT on donedeal in that price bracket. Still a nice way to cruise around and NCT till 01/15. €4600

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-sl-280/6974870

daRobot

The 7'er isn't great value to be honest.

Pre-facelift (ugly and troublesome), and no spec at all. The only options I can see are the sport wheel, and the sunroof.

Like the Merc though. That shape is dead cert future classic. Would prefer the V8 however :pac:

Sobanek

Tempted to get an R129 as a classic weekend car myself.

L-M

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/sl-60-mercedes-amg-convertible/7055992

Not far off budget.... lol

robtri

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1998-bmw-750i/7005618

needs a bit of work, nothing major by sounds of it, a nice v12 for small money




or just a touch over the budget limited... but what a car
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/jaguar-xk8/7060427

unkel

Seems an honest ad, good find, robtri

Needs serious negotiation on price. Also needs that ridiculous phone gone

Moneymaker

I see your 750 and raise you another;

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1992-bmw-750il-e32-mint-condition/7052563

Sobanek

love these E32s

L-M

It's the back of those E32's that kills it for me, I'd be buying a Jag of the same era, much better looking IMO.

Moneymaker

Limerick man wrote: »

It's the back of those E32's that kills it for me, I'd be buying a Jag of the same era, much better looking IMO.

I'm not huge on it either but it does look a very clean and well minded example.

Everyone needs a V12 in their lives :cool:

listermint

Limerick man wrote: »

It's the back of those E32's that kills it for me, I'd be buying a Jag of the same era, much better looking IMO.

Ya but E38s are far more awesome than the Jags of same.

Ninap

Moneymaker wrote: »

I see your 750 and raise you another;

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1992-bmw-750il-e32-mint-condition/7052563

Luvin those fold down tray tables

Kaiser D

Ninap wrote: »

Luvin those fold down tray tables

Always makes me laugh seeing them in Jags and BMWs.

I remember my uncle had an Allegro with those tables.

unkel

Vanden Plas?

unkel

Ha!



More pics here: linky

jimgoose

unkel wrote: »

Ha!...

Class out, bah. :cool:

Kaiser D

Yeah, a lovely blue UK import VDP. Only ever drove BMC and BL cars, my uncle, no faith in anything else :pac:

Senior Bill

1969 I had a a very posh Austin princess 3 liter Vanden Plas 4 speed manual with electric overdrive , grey over black, blue leather and pull down trays. I had to sell it because I only got 45 miles for a pounds worth of petrol. Yes you heard right 45 miles for a pound. A life time ago. Pay attention guys, time flies, I was thirty and went to bed when I woke up I was fifty, I don't remember anything about that twenty years'it seems I got married and had kids, how did that happen?

robtri

these Lexus's are getting cheaper...

nice bit of NCT...
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/00-lexus-ls-400-top-spec-new-nct/7029896

CharlieCroker

Senior Bill wrote: »

1969 I had a a very posh Austin princess 3 liter Vanden Plas 4 speed manual with electric overdrive , grey over black, blue leather and pull down trays. I had to sell it because I only got 45 miles for a pounds worth of petrol. Yes you heard right 45 miles for a pound. A life time ago. Pay attention guys, time flies, I was thirty and went to bed when I woke up I was fifty, I don't remember anything about that twenty years'it seems I got married and had kids, how did that happen?

Ya, but you've also got a shít hot driveway!!!

Senior Bill

CharlieCroker wrote: »

Ya, but you've also got a shít hot driveway!!!

If possible, I would gladly swap you a few years for a few cars Charlie. But hey Im not dead yet, Bill

Kaiser D

Senior Bill wrote: »

1969 I had a a very posh Austin princess 3 liter Vanden Plas 4 speed manual with electric overdrive , grey over black, blue leather and pull down trays. I had to sell it because I only got 45 miles for a pounds worth of petrol. Yes you heard right 45 miles for a pound. A life time ago. Pay attention guys, time flies, I was thirty and went to bed when I woke up I was fifty, I don't remember anything about that twenty years'it seems I got married and had kids, how did that happen?

Yeah but it was worth it for the tables along I'd say.

Soarer

robtri wrote: »

these Lexus's are getting cheaper...

nice bit of NCT...
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/00-lexus-ls-400-top-spec-new-nct/7029896

Interior pic is RHD and the exterior is LHD?

bidiots

robtri wrote: »

these Lexus's are getting cheaper...

nice bit of NCT...
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/00-lexus-ls-400-top-spec-new-nct/7029896

Too many extras to list, yet manages to list year's, models, variations, gti's, Sri's.....yeah, no thanks.

Boils my p@#© tbh

porsche959

Senior Bill wrote: »

1969 I had a a very posh Austin princess 3 liter Vanden Plas 4 speed manual with electric overdrive , grey over black, blue leather and pull down trays. I had to sell it because I only got 45 miles for a pounds worth of petrol. Yes you heard right 45 miles for a pound. A life time ago. Pay attention guys, time flies, I was thirty and went to bed when I woke up I was fifty, I don't remember anything about that twenty years'it seems I got married and had kids, how did that happen?

Dude, I think you slept for longer than you think you did - we're in 2014, not 1989.

bear1

Soarer wrote: »

Interior pic is RHD and the exterior is LHD?

Judging by the exterior I'd say the seller took the image of an American version.
That annoys me when they can't be bothered to put up proper pictures!

Old diesel

bear1 wrote: »

Judging by the exterior I'd say the seller took the image of an American version.
That annoys me when they can't be bothered to put up proper pictures!

And the interior pic is from a pre 95 LS 400 as well :mad::mad::mad:

I wouldn't be the worlds best with a camera - but mother of god - I think id at least ask someone who is to take some pics if I was selling it :eek:

mullingar

robtri wrote: »

these Lexus's are getting cheaper...

nice bit of NCT...
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/00-lexus-ls-400-top-spec-new-nct/7029896

There was a thread recently about that Lexus, I need to search for it but IIRC the poster who sold it recently sold it with 180,000 miles. Now its 78,000. (Note the reg is missing!)


Edit:

This thread:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=90624276

cadaliac

mullingar wrote: »

There was a thread recently about that Lexus, I need to search for it but IIRC the poster who sold it recently sold it with 180,000 miles. Now its 78,000. (Note the reg is missing!)


Edit:

This thread:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=90624276

We should all ring "John" about the car and after some polite back and fourth, "oh yeah, so this is the Clocked Lexus all over the internet - so you have it?!!"

jimgoose

cadaliac wrote: »

..."oh yeah, so this is the Clocked Lexus all over the internet - so you have it?!!"

"Wossit like then, mistah??" :pac:

cadaliac

cadaliac wrote: »

We should all ring "John" about the car and after some polite back and fourth, "oh yeah, so this is the Clocked Lexus all over the internet - so you have it?!!"

Here is another ad with the same number:
http://www.donedeal.ie/caravans-for-sale/wanted-wanted-windows-tabbert-vivaldi/6687586
"Connor" this time.
You can draw your own conclusions.....:)

daRobot

cadaliac wrote: »

Here is another ad with the same number:
http://www.donedeal.ie/caravans-for-sale/wanted-wanted-windows-tabbert-vivaldi/6687586
"Connor" this time.
You can draw your own conclusions.....:)

He's also selling a hiace on the lexus ad.

Clocked lexus from "John", wanting windows for a caravan from "Connor" and selling a hiace.

Hmm, the detective in me thinks this might be a chap called John Connors.

Sobanek

I think it might be the fella on the left :pac:

Kaiser D

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/jaguar-xj6-mk-1/7102272

Awww yeah :cool:

kev1.3s

Kaiser D wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/jaguar-xj6-mk-1/7102272

Awww yeah :cool:

That's the job alright, should be over on classic bargains!

Ded_Zebra

kev1.3s wrote: »

That's the job alright, should be over on classic bargains!

Should be in Bangernomics :cool::cool:

Kaiser D

Remember this wasposted here a while ago, and I said it sold at auction a few weeks ago. It was back in Mullingar auctions this evening.

L-M

Did you buy anything heard there was a load up there.