LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

Bigus

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Ah yes, mixed that up. LPG converted too, €3000 would prob take it.

1300 be more like it, and it'd probably still break your heart.

bear1

Re the BMW, is it me or does the rear suspension look faulty? Seems a bit low.
I really don't think it's worth 4.3k though

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Bigus wrote: »

1300 be more like it, and it'd probably still break your heart.

1300 for an e65 LWB??
Are you mad?
Sure even the LPG conversion alone would cost probably more than that!

daRobot

Still though, the 745i doesn't even have comfort seats (IMO no one should buy a 7'er without this option ticked), and the colour is awful.

Still though, if you got it for somewhere between 2 and 3k, it'd be a decent buy.

kupus

I was talking recently to a guy from Belgium, his dad owned a bmw 750, he himself owned an M5, but he crashed it, now he has a volvo v70,
Anyway we got talking about tax and higher engined cars in Belgium are about 11000euro per year to tax, and as far as i remember no discount tax for oldtimers either.
Looks like a lot of people there instead get their companies to buy and tax it and they can write it off.
in effect it stops a lot of ordinary joes from being able to afford a car like this, as they dont own their own company.

but 1800 tax per year to drive a BMW 745 or bigger, doesnt look so bad now.

Big Nasty

Think ya made a typo there dude.

gman2k

kupus wrote: »

.....11000euro per year to tax.....

???

kupus

no typo, 11,000 euro per year for high engined luxury and performance cars.

obv im going to check it out myself later on,

Cleveland Hot Pocket

kupus wrote: »

no typo, 11,000 euro per year for high engined luxury and performance cars.

obv im going to check it out myself later on,

That's either the most ridiculous tax ever or you're mistaken. I'm hoping for the Belgians that it's the latter :P

bear1

kupus wrote: »

no typo, 11,000 euro per year for high engined luxury and performance cars.

obv im going to check it out myself later on,

Are you sure about that?

http://koba.minfin.fgov.be/commande/pdf/Folder-tarifsTdC-2012.pdf

According to this (I may be wrong) but their highest rate of tax is just shy of 2k.
Granted, the report is 1 year old but I'd seriously doubt the highest level is now 11k.
Tbh looking through their rates they work out still cheaper than us.
If you want to compare Ireland with another country then it should be Italy where I believe the rates are much higher the bigger the engine gets.

Big Nasty

kupus wrote: »

no typo, 11,000 euro per year for high engined luxury and performance cars.

obv im going to check it out myself later on,

No way it's 11k pa dude.

There is an initial tax you pay when buying a car, new or used iirc, which is very hefty for big cars.

kupus

^^ from reading that, a new 3.5 l more than 155KW car is paying 5000 tax and it decreases year after year.

Maybe it was commercial tax that he was talking about?
I will know more in a few days.

porsche959

kupus wrote: »

I was talking recently to a guy from Belgium, his dad owned a bmw 750, he himself owned an M5, but he crashed it, now he has a volvo v70,
Anyway we got talking about tax and higher engined cars in Belgium are about 11000euro per year to tax, and as far as i remember no discount tax for oldtimers either.
Looks like a lot of people there instead get their companies to buy and tax it and they can write it off.
in effect it stops a lot of ordinary joes from being able to afford a car like this, as they dont own their own company.

but 1800 tax per year to drive a BMW 745 or bigger, doesnt look so bad now.

I think Belgium is 1 of few countries in Europe with higher motor tax rates than Ireland...would be amazed if it's that high though.

Voodoomelon

bear1 wrote: »

Re the BMW, is it me or does the rear suspension look faulty? Seems a bit low.
I really don't think it's worth 4.3k though

Well spotted, there is an issue with the self levelling in the rear. He checked the pump and it's working, he seems to think it's got to do with the weight of the LPG tank, I wouldn't think so myself.

A quick diagnostic with DIS would have an answer in a few minutes.

Seweryn

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Well spotted, there is an issue with the self levelling in the rear. He checked the pump and it's working, he seems to think it's got to do with the weight of the LPG tank, I wouldn't think so myself.

A quick diagnostic with DIS would have an answer in a few minutes.

The whole idea of self levelling suspension is to accommodate for various loads, so the extra weight of the LPG tank should make no difference what so ever once the engine is running.
The issue can be with leaking pipe, not enough oil in the system, faulty switch-off valve, air in the hydraulic system, etc. The problem may only be when car is parked and the engine off. Still, should not be the case, but if it is, it would be half-bad story.

Voodoomelon

Yup, why I thought it had nothing to do with the LPG, somethings amiss with it.

Yawlboy

kupus wrote: »

no typo, 11,000 euro per year for high engined luxury and performance cars.

obv im going to check it out myself later on,

Maybe he meant that the Benefit In Kind is €11k as he bought it through a business?

Kaiser D

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/jaguar-xjs-4-0/7413404

Sporty barge

R1_Pete

Super thread : )
Not great for my attempts to save.. So many worth a look

ofcork

03 S Class for sale on gt cork for 3750,petrol but doesn't say engine size.

daveohdave

Nice rims.

Kaiser D

The amgs take from the look of the car tbh..

5uspect

Cartell to the rescue.
https://www.cartell.ie/ssl/servlet/beginStarLookup?registration=03C5509

Registration 03C5509
Make MERCEDES BENZ
Model S350
Description 350
Engine Capacity (cc) 3724

kupus

ok, just going back to what i was talking about earlier, it was insurance that we were discussing, apparently. so, 11000 for insurance for bmw 750 and not tax, insurance is a write off for companies as well. we got lost in translation somewhere, and having strong belgian beer didnt help. im on it again tonight. fuc me this belgian beer stuff is is like mammys soup.

Sobanek

Leffe Blonde?

Esel

Left the blond where now? :eek: :pac:

mullingar

Belgian motor tax rates here:

http://www.belgium.be/fr/mobilite/vehicules/taxe_de_circulation_et_assurance/taxe_de_circulation/

Interesting that they must also pay a radio tax too.....

Kaiser D

Arise thread.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1979-jaguar-xjs-vintage-tax-nct-exempt/7471647

Vintage tax, test exempt and "ready to drive away" - probably get it fr €2k too :cool:

Trojan

Kaiser D wrote: »

Vintage tax, test exempt and "ready to drive away" - probably get it fr €2k too :cool:

Definitely Bangernomics territory!

daveohdave

You'd need deep pockets or brass balls to take on an XJS, they can be serious money pits.

Trojan

daveohdave wrote: »

You'd need deep pockets or brass balls to take on an XJS, they can be serious money pits.

And you need to pay for two parking spots every time.

CharlieCroker

Kaiser D wrote: »

Arise thread.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1979-jaguar-xjs-vintage-tax-nct-exempt/7471647
Vintage tax, test exempt and "ready to drive away" - probably get it fr €2k too :cool:

As much as I'd love it, I don't think I'd be brave enough. Could quite easily cost you that again in the first year.

As a weekender it could be ok if its decent but you might as well set fire to your wallet if its a bad one.

porsche959

There's a good reason there aren't too many early XJS's still on the roads.

Kaiser D

daveohdave wrote: »

You'd need deep pockets or brass balls to take on an XJS, they can be serious money pits.

CharlieCroker wrote: »

As much as I'd love it, I don't think I'd be brave enough. Could quite easily cost you that again in the first year.

As a weekender it could be ok if its decent but you might as well set fire to your wallet if its a bad one.

porsche959 wrote: »

There's a good reason there aren't too many early XJS's still on the roads.

Thats why I haven't rang already

I don't "do" weekend drivers - its either an everyday driver or I don't buy it.

ba_barabus

Kaiser D wrote: »

Vintage tax, test exempt and "ready to drive away" - probably get it fr €2k too :cool:

That's too cheap for what it is. I reckon it's got rust issues, most probably around the rear strut tops.

quadrifoglio verde

porsche959 wrote: »

There's a good reason there aren't too many early XJS's still on the roads.

My way of looking at that is if its made it this far, its been loved somewhere along the way and hopefully in the last few years as opposed to the first few years. Its for that reason that id have no problem buying something like this, or a lancia beta for example, because the reason why they haven't been converted in bean cans was because they were looked after. I find this applies a lot with cars that had poor reliability issues at the start of their lives, than cars that were renowned for being indestructible

Cleveland Hot Pocket

ba_barabus wrote: »

That's too cheap for what it is. I reckon it's got rust issues, most probably around the rear strut tops.

I've been looking at that all afternoon as well.
2k for a vintage tax nct exempt v12 rwd seems too good to be true.

ba_barabus

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

My way of looking at that is if its made it this far, its been loved somewhere along the way and hopefully in the last few years as opposed to the first few years. Its for that reason that id have no problem buying something like this, or a lancia beta for example, because the reason why they haven't been converted in bean cans was because they were looked after. I find this applies a lot with cars that had poor reliability issues at the start of their lives, than cars that were renowned for being indestructible

The problem is they need constant care. A lot of these cars are now being bought by people who simply just want to avoid paying the tax and nct cost. They buy them and run them till they drop. I've seen some great cars ruined in the past few years by owners who think it's a great tax loophole.

kev1.3s

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

My way of looking at that is if its made it this far, its been loved somewhere along the way and hopefully in the last few years as opposed to the first few years. Its for that reason that id have no problem buying something like this, or a lancia beta for example, because the reason why they haven't been converted in bean cans was because they were looked after. I find this applies a lot with cars that had poor reliability issues at the start of their lives, than cars that were renowned for being indestructible

Probably loved in it's previous life in the UK then it was brought over by someone with too much Celtic tiger cash and treated like shît. I once seen a mk1 xj6 in rare manual with a fsh from new brought over and when the new owner found out it wasn't as driver friendly as his modern he left it parked in the open to rot away! A very sad end for a special car.

porsche959

Trojan wrote: »

And you need to pay for two parking spots every time.

While not exactly an ideal city car it's not as long as it looks. 4870 mm compared to 4905 mm for a modern S Type. Modern equivalent to the XJS, the XK is not much shorter at 4794 mm though it looks a lot more compact.

porsche959

kev1.3s wrote: »

Probably loved in it's previous life in the UK then it was brought over by someone with too much Celtic tiger cash and treated like shît. I once seen a mk1 xj6 in rare manual with a fsh from new brought over and when the new owner found out it wasn't as driver friendly as his modern he left it parked in the open to rot away! A very sad end for a special car.

While I have no doubt those types exist in Ireland do you think they don't in the UK also?

A car of this vintage and marque could, say, have been bought by a retired country doctor and then gone through all kinds of owners since, including of the wide boy/boy racer/Arthur Daley type.

( I don't mean this specific car, I am just making a general point. )

porsche959

On the subject of XJS/XK8/XKs a piece from Quentin Wilson here:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/authors/quentin-wilson/quentin-willson-on-a-second-hand-1997-jaguar-1479349

kev1.3s

porsche959 wrote: »

While I have no doubt those types exist in Ireland do you think they don't in the UK also?

A car of this vintage and marque could, say, have been bought by a retired country doctor and then gone through all kinds of owners since, including of the wide boy/boy racer/Arthur Daley type.

( I don't mean this specific car, I am just making a general point. )

I think traditionally uk motorists tended to worry about maintenance and service history more than us and while I don't doubt that they have there fair share of drivers like that the fact remains that the vintage car scene here has had more than it's fair share of people who are attracted to cheap tax and more importantly in pre 80 cars no test. In the uk they had to be mot'd regardless so in my opinion ( and it is only my opinion ) it's more likely that if it has been neglected it has happened here.
Sorry if this is off topic.

ba_barabus

porsche959 wrote: »

On the subject of XJS/XK8/XKs a piece from Quentin Wilson here:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/authors/quentin-wilson/quentin-willson-on-a-second-hand-1997-jaguar-1479349

Ha! Quentin "How many miles do you want on it" Wilson, extolling the virtues of a low mileage car.

unkel

That XJS is far too cheap unless it is a rotbox / has some serious problems. Keep us updated if anyone finds out more about it though!

serious3

just an update on my luxobarge, waaay back in may 2013 i bought a luxobarge jag s-type for 1400e, well over a year has gone by and i'm still wafting around in leather cossetted, airconditioned luxury total repairs over the year is a full set of pads, 2 small bushes for the nct in feb last, one headlamp bulb and thats it! mpg is down from 33 to about 27mpg tax is still a bit of a pain to pay but so fecking what! i'm going to keep this one longer than the year planned, its taxed till xmas now and tested till feb so i'll make a decision then as to wether i walk away or keep her on.

unkel

serious3 wrote: »

its taxed till xmas now and tested till feb so i'll make a decision then as to wether i walk away or keep her on.

Test it before the tax runs out (December). The test will cost you just €55. If it fails, see what it fails on and decide what your best option is. Dump it or fix it. If it passes, the test will be valid until Feb '16. So tax it & enjoy

Kaiser D

S-types are fantastic cars, I'll have another someday. Good luck with it.

quadrifoglio verde

ba_barabus wrote: »

The problem is they need constant care. A lot of these cars are now being bought by people who simply just want to avoid paying the tax and nct cost. They buy them and run them till they drop. I've seen some great cars ruined in the past few years by owners who think it's a great tax loophole.

Oh I totally agree, however it wouldn't put me off checking it top to bottom. Which I'd be doing from top to bottom on any car, but paying extra attention for rust and filler.

serious3

serious3 wrote: »

just an update on my luxobarge, waaay back in may 2013 i bought a luxobarge jag s-type for 1400e, well over a year has gone by and i'm still wafting around in leather cossetted, airconditioned luxury total repairs over the year is a full set of pads, 2 small bushes for the nct in feb last, one headlamp bulb and thats it! mpg is down from 33 to about 27mpg tax is still a bit of a pain to pay but so fecking what! i'm going to keep this one longer than the year planned, its taxed till xmas now and tested till feb so i'll make a decision then as to wether i walk away or keep her on.

well that jinxed it! it stopped today just cut out no warning at all, it'll start and run for maybe 1 second thats all, AA recovered it and we'll see what it is tmorrow...........last time i sing the praises of something:D