LUXOBARGE (sub5k) of the week/day

commited

Adverts seems like the worst way to sell a car these days

Bigus

commited wrote: »

Adverts seems like the worst way to sell a car these days

And the worst way to try and buy one .

Voodoomelon

A friend spotted my last one a few days ago in Dublin, its been 18 months since I saw it last, was delighted!

Atlantic Dawn

Voodoomelon wrote: »

A friend spotted my last one a few days ago in Dublin, its been 18 months since I saw it last, was delighted!

The new owner looks to be keeping her well, it's disappointing when you see your old car and it looks like they have not washed it since you sold it to them.

Old diesel

commited wrote: »

How are these things reliability wise? My old man has an S-type petrol which has been great but I've heard iffy things about the 2.7 diesel..

Like you was under the impression the 2.7 was a bit iffy.

I think I read something about the camshaft - specifically how its mounted in place - is a bit suspect.

Also - I went on a Jag forum (not a member - but many forums you can browse without needing to log in) to see if I could find nice cars to drool over.

And I recall reading about 2.7s with a DPF having raising oil levels like DPF equipped Mazdas have a reputation for doing.

not sure how common that issue is on the Jags however

Generally - they can be hit and miss from what I can see - kind of looked into the 2.7 XF diesel - and was very hard to get a concrete viewpoint on the 2.7 diesel in the XF - the main consensus is that the 3.0 diesel is better all round. Unfortunately afaik it was only ever the 2.7 diesel that was used in the X350 XJ featured here.

What capacity is the 3.0 petrol I wonder - is it a 30xx cc situation - hence 1800 euros - or is it 29xx cc and hence in the next level down.

If its the latter scenario - a 3.0 petrol seems a better bet - was browsing through a Jag mag last week in a newsagents - and the 3.0 XJ petrol had a feature about it specifically - general viewpoint in the article was that it was perfectly well up to the job - 0 to 60 7.8 secs - due to the Jag been aluminium - hence car is lighter.

Unfortunately I never thought to see what the actual capacity was

26000 Elephants

2004 730d for 4300



You could probably convince yourself its sensible coz of the diesel, like.

griffin100

Thanks for that Old Diesel, useful info.

Jag I posted seems to have gone up by €2k so no longer fit for this thread.

Big Nasty

In it's day this woulda been a serious barge, still is.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ford-granada-2-8i-ghia/9202928

unkel

Love that early 80s light green metallic. Looks great on Mercs of that age too. Liked the Granada when it was new although have to admit my favourite in this class was the Opel Senator 3.0 CD

Can't see that car being worth anywhere near €1700 down south though. Needs €720 VRT and then needs to be NCT tested (will probably fail) and as the seller says it needs work

CianRyan

Very cool barge even now, looks great.

I love light minty green colours on cars, id love it on an ST205. :cool:

Red Kev

unkel wrote: »

Can't see that car being worth anywhere near €1700 down south though. Needs €720 VRT and then needs to be NCT tested (will probably fail) and as the seller says it needs work

Over 30 years so VRT should be only €200.

Duke O Smiley

unkel wrote: »

Love that early 80s light green metallic. Looks great on Mercs of that age too. Liked the Granada when it was new although have to admit my favourite in this class was the Opel Senator 3.0 CD

Can't see that car being worth anywhere near €1700 down south though. Needs €720 VRT and then needs to be NCT tested (will probably fail) and as the seller says it needs work

It's over 30, €250 to clear it

unkel

My bad lads, indeed only €200 VRT!

Still a bit of a risk for that car. Who knows what it needs to pass the NCT test. I'd rather buy a tested car or a car exempt from testing tbh...

Duke O Smiley

unkel wrote: »

My bad lads, indeed only €200 VRT!

Still a bit of a risk for that car. Who knows what it needs to pass the NCT test. I'd rather buy a tested car or a car exempt from testing tbh...

Yeah you'd be taking a bit of a risk but if I was in the market I'd have a look at that one. Nice spec, classic tax etc etc would make a lovely daily smoker

Big Nasty

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Yeah you'd be taking a bit of a risk but if I was in the market I'd have a look at that one. Nice spec, classic tax etc etc would make a lovely daily smoker

That's it exactly.

I'm a bit tempted lately to sell the Jeep and pick up something like this as a daily.

Duke O Smiley

Big Nasty wrote: »

That's it exactly.

I'm a bit tempted lately to sell the Jeep and pick up something like this as a daily.

That sounds like a solid idea man. A Granada or similar would be well capable of it too, unlike the more older/ unrefined stuff which I have concluded aren't, realistically

The more I look at that Granada the more I like it

Old diesel

griffin100 wrote: »

Thanks for that Old Diesel, useful info.

Jag I posted seems to have gone up by €2k so no longer fit for this thread.

Probably should qualify it by saying its 2nd hand info from the internet - sadly ive never had direct experience of one of these.

Based on memory too from about a year and a half ago.

Usual difficulty with the internet - is that you hear about all those that blow up/go wrong.

Probably a fair few 2.7s flying around that haven't given issues.

Id still go petrol on these though.

less hassle and risk - on something that's already a complex car that presents a risk factor with all the gizmos and air suspension.

But if you want one - you might as well go for it - I don't mean THAT particular example - I mean the X350 XJ in general.

You don't exactly buy one of these cars with an eye on being completely sensible. You accept theres risk involved - and you do your best to minimise it as best one can.

zurbfoundation

i had a granada like that in Australia (was a ford falcon XD) in chocolate brown - late 70's - 4.1 l - it was a fantastic yoke - drove it the whole way around the country with not even a puncture - sold it on for double what i paid for it (which was only 300 dollars)

griffin100

Old diesel wrote: »

Probably should qualify it by saying its 2nd hand info from the internet - sadly ive never had direct experience of one of these.

Based on memory too from about a year and a half ago.

Usual difficulty with the internet - is that you hear about all those that blow up/go wrong.

Probably a fair few 2.7s flying around that haven't given issues.

Id still go petrol on these though.

less hassle and risk - on something that's already a complex car that presents a risk factor with all the gizmos and air suspension.

But if you want one - you might as well go for it - I don't mean THAT particular example - I mean the X350 XJ in general.

You don't exactly buy one of these cars with an eye on being completely sensible. You accept theres risk involved - and you do your best to minimise it as best one can.

I've always wanted one of these but it's a big risk as I do over 30k miles a year and like you say lots can go wrong. At the same time you only live once and it'd be much nicer place to spend all that time than say an S80 which is my 'sensible' choice. When the time comes to make a decision I'll start a new thread.

Old diesel

griffin100 wrote: »

I've always wanted one of these but it's a big risk as I do over 30k miles a year and like you say lots can go wrong. At the same time you only live once and it'd be much nicer place to spend all that time than say an S80 which is my 'sensible' choice. When the time comes to make a decision I'll start a new thread.

Not sure how it would fit with budgets etc - but the post 07 S80 is a fine looking bus - they look nice inside too imo.

Never been in one though

neasyerac

Mitsubishi 3000gto
€ 2,700
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/gto-sr/8033004?offset=1

unkel

Hardly a luxobarge

Out of NCT too

Also best check if you can get / afford insurance before buying a car like this...

bidiots

Old diesel wrote: »

Not sure how it would fit with budgets etc - but the post 07 S80 is a fine looking bus - they look nice inside too imo.

Never been in one though

I can't think of many nicer places to be than inside an S80, its the most comfortable thing I have ever driven tbh....

NewApproach

Dad had a new shape 3.2 petrol S80 SE Lux from 2007 - 2011 or so. Some bus.

power pants

commited wrote: »

How are these things reliability wise? My old man has an S-type petrol which has been great but I've heard iffy things about the 2.7 diesel..

looks very wide the gap between the bonnet and the wing, maybe its just the angle though

commited

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/lexus/ls430/used-2001-lexus-ls430-4-3-v8-auto-dublin-fpa-128814217655364650
Lexus LS430, FSH, 170k, NCT to 05/16 - €1350

These are looking very tempting at the moment, I reckon they're a great compromise with LPG.

Red Kev

€1750 with NCT till Nov 15.
Six months tax is €1003, or two lots of €511. Worth it for the experience of having something like this under your arse for a few months.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mercedes-s-500/9170029?offset=18

ofcork

Full years tax more expensive than the car,lovely motor though.

commited

I'm completely torn at the moment - W220/LS430 luxobarge or Golf GTI - weirdest car choice ever

Red Kev

commited wrote: »

I'm completely torn at the moment - W220/LS430 luxobarge or Golf GTI - weirdest car choice ever

Luxobarge. You'll never be able to get them cheaper or be able to run them for less money.

Even if you picked up the S-Class two posts above for €1600, taxed and drove it for 6 months and had to sell it at at a loss at the end if it fails an NCT you'll still remember it 20 years from now.

GTi's will always be relatively affordable to drive, so get the Luxo while you can.

commited

Red Kev wrote: »

Luxobarge. You'll never be able to get them cheaper or be able to run them for less money.

Even if you picked up the S-Class two posts above for €1600, taxed and drove it for 6 months and had to sell it at at a loss at the end if it fails an NCT you'll still remember it 20 years from now.

GTi's will always be relatively affordable to drive, so get the Luxo while you can.

Some test drives will solve the issue

unkel

There's more to it than test drives! Read Red Kev's post again and think about it for a while. Large engined petrol luxobarges are cheaper in Ireland than anywhere else in the world. They are cheaper now than they have ever been (or ever will be). In a few years time there won't be many of them around, most mentioned in this thread will have been scrapped by then. The painful reality of such waste is enough for many a separate thread, but that aside...

I'm lucky enough to have pulled the trigger at some point to move from nearly new Japanese cars to old cheap V8 luxobarges and as Red Kev said, I sure will never forget them, or regret buying and owning them :cool:

Atlantic Dawn

ofcork wrote: »

Full years tax more expensive than the car,lovely motor though.

That's why I love the price of such cars in this country, bargains.

commited

unkel wrote: »

There's more to it than test drives! Read Red Kev's post again and think about it for a while. Large engined petrol luxobarges are cheaper in Ireland than anywhere else in the world. They are cheaper now than they have ever been (or ever will be). In a few years time there won't be many of them around, most mentioned in this thread will have been scrapped by then. The painful reality of such waste is enough for many a separate thread, but that aside...

I'm lucky enough to have pulled the trigger at some point to move from nearly new Japanese cars to old cheap V8 luxobarges and as Red Kev said, I sure will never forget them, or regret buying and owning them :cool:

Thanks for the above and share the views, I've spent a good chunk of my life driving large cars and have always prefered them. I've never owned anything too new as depreciation is a massive waste of money and Japanese hatchbacks don't do it for me The Saab is the first daily driver that I've owned had with less than a 3.0 engine since 2006

The complication now is that we've moved to one car (on the road anyway :pac: ) and I fear an S-class might be a bit too large as the e39 was a struggle at times for the Mrs to negotiate in car parks etc. Plus I've never had a hot hatch, sort of did the whole thing in reverse :pac:

unkel

So you haven't owned a proper V8 luxobarge then? Really, go for it. I've owned a Saab and several 5-series BMW myself, but they aren't a patch on the luxury of a full size flagship!

Parking isn't too difficult with the full front and rear sensors that come with pretty much all of the ones mentioned in this thread these days...

commited

Nope I haven't, I've owned a V8 but it never made it on the road in my ownership! I've had plenty of big 6's though, petrol & diesel, and love the e39 as it has always been a great compromise between comfort and driving enjoyment. I don't think that time is up for getting a bargain v8 in this country and to be honest I don't know if I'm ready to give up my bit of back road fun that I've always been used to.

CianRyan

I'd be the same, I can see why people like barges and I wouldn't one on the side if I was loaded but I care too much about grabbing a small car by the scruff of the neck around a few bends.

Duke O Smiley

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-7-series-nct-passed-today/9357821?offset=13


Early 7 series with new test on the better side of €3k. What could possibly go wrong etc etc

Frynge

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-7-series-nct-passed-today/9357821?offset=13


Early 7 series with new test on the better side of €3k. What could possibly go wrong etc etc

Really, anything could make it a crippling purchase. But you know you want to.

One day i will buy a luxo when i have the money and patience for whatever can go wrong

Red Kev

The seller of that 745i claims the VRT rebate is €2400, VRT calculator says €1000.

Nice car but it hardly inspires confidence.

26000 Elephants

Red Kev wrote: »

The seller of that 745i claims the VRT rebate is €2400, VRT calculator says €1000.

Nice car but it hardly inspires confidence.

And knock €500 of that as well :mad:

why do they calculate an amount and then tell you they take €500 off?

Duke O Smiley

26000 Elephants wrote: »

And knock €500 of that as well :mad:

why do they calculate an amount and then tell you they take €500 off?

I believe that is their "admin fee"

Red Kev

26000 Elephants wrote: »

And knock €500 of that as well :mad:

why do they calculate an amount and then tell you they take €500 off?

Sorry, should have said the rebate is €1500 minus the €500 admin leaving €1000. Either way it's nowhere near the €2400 mentioned.

surpy

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-7-series-nct-passed-today/9357821?offset=13


Early 7 series with new test on the better side of €3k. What could possibly go wrong etc etc

Bonnetl looks like it isn't sitting right on that

Question. Why does everyone call cars buses?

Sobanek

Red Kev wrote: »

Sorry, should have said the rebate is €1500 minus the €500 admin leaving €1000. Either way it's nowhere near the €2400 mentioned.

I'm almost tempted to buy this, export it to Poland, convert it to LHD and sell for 6-7k.

3k for car
1k for shipping
850e for taxes
1100e for conversion

Gives total of 5950 minus the 1k tax rebate. So 1k profit either way.

166man

Sobanek wrote: »

I'm almost tempted to buy this, export it to Poland, convert it to LHD and sell for 6-7k.

3k for car
1k for shipping
850e for taxes
1100e for conversion

Gives total of 5950 minus the 1k tax rebate. So 1k profit either way.

Jaysus that's some amount of work for a max potential payout of €1k..... I can't see the LHD conversion being easy either!

Not worth it at all! If the payout was going to be €3-€4k then I'd consider!

Sobanek

166man wrote: »

Jaysus that's some amount of work for a max potential payout of €1k..... I can't see the LHD conversion being easy either!

Not worth it at all! If the payout was going to be €3-€4k then I'd consider!

Those are approximate values. These go for around 30k PLN with 140k miles on the clock (€7,500) and the conversion is a 7 day process. It's the workshop's problem, not mine :P

Shipping could be cheaper I suppose but that's what it would cost to drive it there.
And I suppose the car could be bought for €2,700 or even €2,500.

The most optimistic calculations are

Car: €2,500
Shipping: €1k
Taxes: €850
LHD Conversion: €1,100
VRT Rebate: -€1k

Giving you a total of €4,500. If you can sell it for €7,500, you're 3k ahead, all for a week's work.

There is one 735i I know of that's going for 2k sincr it has no NCT, but with its spec, it could fetch even 9k. This is boggo spec, not very popular on the continent as people aim for high spec cars in this class.

bear1

Arent they changing the law in poland to allow the reg of rhd cars?

unkel

I don't think cars are required to be LHD in Poland any more?

Edit: bear1 beat me to it

26000 Elephants

Sobanek wrote: »

Those are approximate values. These go for around 30k PLN with 140k miles on the clock (€7,500) and the conversion is a 7 day process. It's the workshop's problem, not mine :P

Shipping could be cheaper I suppose but that's what it would cost to drive it there.
And I suppose the car could be bought for €2,700 or even €2,500.

The most optimistic calculations are

Car: €2,500
Shipping: €1k
Taxes: €850
LHD Conversion: €1,100
VRT Rebate: -€1k

Giving you a total of €4,500. If you can sell it for €7,500, you're 3k ahead, all for a week's work.

There is one 735i I know of that's going for 2k sincr it has no NCT, but with its spec, it could fetch even 9k. This is boggo spec, not very popular on the continent as people aim for high spec cars in this class.

Sounds plausible. You would want to ensure that whoever does the conversion has done it before and gives a fixed price as I imagine that is where your potential nightmares would arise. BMW's are a fiendishly technical car. You would also need to scale to 3 or 4 cars to start bringing the shipping expense down to a manageable amount. Makes customs work easier too. You would probably need to reduce your selling price, as I imagine a converted car will be more difficult to shift than an original LHD. Make sure you factor for that so there are no surprises.

But, yeah, I think you might have something there, but you would really need to be sure of the local polish market - otherwise you would be just speculating. And that is risky!!