**HL French Before/After**

foxymm

007driver wrote: »

For comp 2

Q5 ii) i wrote , La vieille femme parlait à son chien comme on parlerait à un enfant

you think i would get any marks ?

Possilbily. It's hard to know really. The way I am interpreting the wording of the question: "Quel geste de la vieille femme montre qu'elle se soucie du confort de son chien"? which literally means: "What gesture/movement/action of the old woman show that she is concerned about the comfort of her dog?"

In the text it states: La vieille femme parlait a son chien comme on parlerait a un enfant et remonta le manteau de l'animal jusqu'a son cou poilu, par peur que son protégé prenne froid."

The second half seems to be more suited to answering the question: "She lifted the dog's coat up as far as his hairy neck, out of/for fear that he would get cold"

Obviously par peur que take subjonctif so my English translation isn't word for word...

Leaving Cert Student

Can you actually answer a question using the passé simple though?

Eurovisionmad

Leaving Cert Student wrote: »

Can you actually answer a question using the passé simple though?

You wouldn't really, it'd only be used in an extremely formal context.

Leaving Cert Student

Leaving Cert Student wrote: »

Can you actually answer a question using the passé simple though?

If you're quoting from the passage I don't see why not.

linguist

Good question Leaving Cert Student. I can't imagine why they wouldn't allow it since it's the simplest route to a correct answer here. Did you manipulate using a passé composé instead? I expect both to be allowed. Btw it's not formal as such, it's literary.

meleanor

Eurovisionmad wrote: »

You wouldn't really, it'd only be used in an extremely formal context.

Yeah I changed "remontra" to present tense, as the question was asked in the present.

linguist

Meleanor: Indeed, now that you say it, that makes perfect sense. I expect that manipulation in both present and past tense will have to be allowed.

CookieMonster.x

linguist wrote: »

Good question Leaving Cert Student. I can't imagine why they wouldn't allow it since it's the simplest route to a correct answer here. Did you manipulate using a passé composé instead? I expect both to be allowed. Btw it's not formal as such, it's literary.

I think in a marking scheme for a different comprehension they had the answer in the passé simple. There is usually an asterisk saying that tenses don't matter (ie past or present).

Leaving Cert Student

i used passe compose... this must be the first useful contribution i have made to boards.ie

nogame

The aural was tricky. What tense did people use who didn't notice the journal Intime was after the party?

linguist

Feeling very at home amongst the linguists. I must drop by more often.

Slow Show

Actually had this debate with myself during the exam, I ended up just going with the passe simple and assumed it didn't make much difference either way.

007driver

nogame wrote: »

The aural was tricky. What tense did people use who didn't notice the journal Intime was after the party?

future, it would have been easier for me in the past

TheChosenOne

Dude Love 1 wrote: »

I was happy with the paper, the listening was a bit iffy but the essay titles were grand. The Journal Intime title was easy to work around! I noticed in the listening, think it was section 3, you had to say what the girls dad was doing. It said he was 'a la chasse avec son beau frere'. I said he went hunting with his step brother but I looked it up and beau frere means brother in law! Sound examination commission for adding that in...

You scared the sheize out of me! look it up in Google translate, beau frere is step brother AS WELL as brother-in-law.

http://translate.google.ie/translate_t?client=opera&rls=en&q=translate&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wT#en/fr/step-brother

007driver

TheChosenOne wrote: »

You scared the sheize out of me! look it up in Google translate, beau frere is step brother AS WELL as brother-in-law.

http://translate.google.ie/translate_t?client=opera&rls=en&q=translate&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wT#en/fr/step-brother

I wouldnt trust google translate. Only brother-in-law on wodreference.

foxymm

Leaving Cert Student wrote: »

Can you actually answer a question using the passé simple though?

You can in this instance as it is used in the text. Although the question looks like it may require manipulation the way its answer is worded in the text you do not need to manipulate although marks will undoubtedly be deducted in cases where there is extraneous material. Therefore in this answer la vieille dame (Elle) remonta / a remonté le manteau....

HPMS

TheChosenOne wrote: »

You scared the sheize out of me! look it up in Google translate, beau frere is step brother AS WELL as brother-in-law.

http://translate.google.ie/translate_t?client=opera&rls=en&q=translate&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wT#en/fr/step-brother

Never trust google translate. Step-brother is demi-frére and brother-in-law is beau-frére -

http://www.wordreference.com/fren/Beaufrere
http://www.wordreference.com/enfr/stepbrother

foxymm

007driver wrote: »

I wouldnt trust google translate. Only brother-in-law on wodreference.

Demi-frère = step brother

Belle-mère = mother in law

Beau-père = father in law

Beau-frère = brother in law

Belle-soeur = sister in law

TheChosenOne

HPMS wrote: »

Never trust google translate. Step-brother is demi-frére and brother-in-law is beau-frére -

http://www.wordreference.com/fren/Beaufrere
http://www.wordreference.com/enfr/stepbrother

FFS!

Dude Love 1

TheChosenOne wrote: »

You scared the sheize out of me! look it up in Google translate, beau frere is step brother AS WELL as brother-in-law.

http://translate.google.ie/translate_t?client=opera&rls=en&q=translate&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wT#en/fr/step-brother

Its a cruel world!

linguist

Back with you all again on this one. I have just had a French friend of mine ask around his office in Strasbourg (as you do!) and indeed beau-frere and demi-frere are not synonymous. Beau-frere is indeed brother-in-law and demi-frere is stepbrother or half-brother.

However, beau-pere and belle-mere are indeed both in-laws and stepfather and stepmother which is obviously where a lot of this confusion comes from.

It's hard to know what will happen here. It's difficult to see the SEC allowing an answer that is patently wrong. However, what might happen is partial marks for brother with incorrect qualification ignored.

TheUshMan

for the diary entry, i said that my parents came back and so the party was cancelled, i feel like a dope now, because i might lose marks for not answering the question right???

keepingcalm

TheUshMan wrote: »

for the diary entry, i said that my parents came back and so the party was cancelled, i feel like a dope now, because i might lose marks for not answering the question right???

Well it did say to write in your diary after the party and since you never actually had the party you couldn't do that so yeah maybe a few marks but if your French was still good you'll have saved the majority of them there's nothing you can do about it right now anyway so just try to let it go and chill

TheUshMan

Ye, its just so annoying to think about, especially when stuff i could have said keeps coming into my head, sure i attempted an extra question so hopefully i did ok on the horse meat question...

keepingcalm

TheUshMan wrote: »

Ye, its just so annoying to think about, especially when stuff i could have said keeps coming into my head, sure i attempted an extra question so hopefully i did ok on the horse meat question...

I'm terrible for that too and checking these forums after every exam probably isn't helping me but I can't stop myself! only one more left...

TheUshMan

yeh, good luck in your last exam. I have 2 left

worms3d

nogame wrote: »

The aural was tricky. What tense did people use who didn't notice the journal Intime was after the party?

You'd use Passe Compose and Imparfait depending on what you're actually saying to be honest..

Canard

worms3d wrote: »

You'd use Passe Compose and Imparfait depending on what you're actually saying to be honest..

I think that person meant what tense did people use when they thought they were planning a party (a huge amount of people did), in which case I assume they used the future and conditional tenses.