New Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS

TheMikenyan

Yes, wampyrus. That was the joke.

I honestly don't care how long it takes them. I would rather wait a while longer for a finished game than a rushjob to release on time.

I have Project M to keep me occupied in the meantime.

wampyrus77

TheMikenyan wrote: »

Yes, wampyrus. That was the joke.

I honestly don't care how long it takes them. I would rather wait a while longer for a finished game than a rushjob to release on time.

I have Project M to keep me occupied in the meantime.

what project m i never heard project before

TheMikenyan

wampyrus77 wrote: »

what project m i never heard project before

How shocking.

http://projectmgame.com/en/

Sairus

There was a round table with Sakurai earlier where he went through a bunch of stuff. No videos, but it was live blogged.



Pac Man and possibly Mr Game and Watch were revealed.

Pac-man can switch between 16bit and modern designs or something. The reposts of the chat I was reading were unclear.

Mii characters cannot be used in public online matches. No king of the hill Hitler matches.

He also went over how the character customization works. (some of these details might be slightly wrong) Each character has 3 different versions of their special attacks which you can choose. For example, Mario has 3 slightly different projectiles you can assign to B. Palutenia is an exception to this because she has 12 unique moves.

Edit: To clarify, everyone can customize each of their B specials. Up, Down, Side and Neutral. They each get 3 variations on these. Palutena is unique because the 3 variations for each direction are totally different attacks.You can't use customized characters when you're fighting strangers online.

Edit: Pacman trailer's up and it's amazing!

wampyrus77

lets hope the Amiibo Figures for SSB 4 and MK8 aren't expensive as disney infinity / skylander figures

awesome for pacman has join SSB 4 and gamewatch is back cool

TheMikenyan

It was worth staying up last night for this moment alone. We will likely never see it happen in a massive tournament setting ever again.

UberPrinny_Baal

TheMikenyan wrote: »

It was worth staying up last night for this moment alone. We will likely never see it happen in a massive tournament setting ever again.

Controversial statement: I like Final Smashes.

Confusing follow-up: But I HATE Smash Balls.

They're not 100% connected. A lot of people might not know, but in a Brawl or PM free for all game, if you're massively behind on score (I'm not sure to what extent); you appear on the respawn platform with a final smash already stocked. Even if items are off. At that point though, you can't even really call it a "comeback mechanic" like SF4s Ultras. The game is throwing you a bone because you're hilariously far into last place. It's more like a Mario Kart Blue shell

"I'm not winning this, but I can ruin victory for someone else."


I would not be opposed to Nintendo implementing some kind of mode where you could stock a final smash under certain non-item-related game conditions. Whether that's through being awesome or being terrible. I would be totally fine with it. As long as we can turn it on or off.

Smash Balls though are stupid things that break the flow of gameplay and combat by having everyone jump around like a fool attacking a random screen element until someone becomes Jesus.

Brawl's Legendary Dragoon boat, the Starman, Maxim Tomato and Heart Container are equally disruptive I think.

I'm mostly fine with all other items.

TheMikenyan

^ Completely agree. I've always been a great believer in options, where the player is empowered with the ability to enable or disable features as desired, and I've always thought it a terrible pity that this game's super-moves are banned by proxy because of the means of acquiring them.

The option to enable Final Smashes purely through the gameplay and without the use of items would be warmly welcomed.

wampyrus77

Super smash bros

amiibo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COVenoAAugo


http://www.smashbros.com/us/characters/ike.html
is back

TheMikenyan

wampyrus77 wrote: »

http://www.smashbros.com/us/characters/ike.html
is back

Posted this weeks ago:

TheMikenyan wrote: »

Ike confirmed.



http://www.smashbros.com/en-uk/characters/ike.html

What a beast!

Lythero

From the way Sakurai's been giving more options for tournament settings in the game, I wouldn't be surprised if he sorts something like this out as well.

It'd be difficult though. I think Final Smashes are awesome, but are on a completely different plane themselves when it comes to balancing. Some are quite avoidable, others are just a rain of cosmic death upon anyone unfortunate enough to witness them.



If you gained a Final Smash by accumulating enough damage, then I'd worry about players getting hurt on purpose just to get the "I win" button in the long run. Perhaps it would be better to have it as a show-off finisher to someone who manages to get 100-200% damage on the opponent without being hit. The Final Smash then disappears if that opponent lands a hit, or gets K.O'd and loses a stock (because everyone would just horde the FS rather than use it on a weak opponent).

UberPrinny_Baal

I'm kind of okay with Final Smashes being ridiculous.

I wasn't necessarily talking about having them used in competitive play, because I don't think that would appeal to the Smash scene.

They do actually play the most hardcore game. Smash has no comeback mechanic of any kind. On the contrary, as you accumulate more damage, certain actions (like ledge recovery) get slower and crapper.

The only character in Smash history who got better as you sucked more, Lucario, was completely changed in Project M so that none of these elements remained in his remixed form. His project M incarnation gets better as you are successful in your offense with him.

Smash players would probably prefer the comeback mechanics to stay in the games that reward bad play: Street Fighter, Marvel etc

I just want final smashes introduced in a way I would use casually without having Smash balls involved. I kinda don't care about the design behind them.

Put them in. Give me an option to turn them off if I hate the implementation. I thank you for trying either way.

I hate Smash balls too much to even use them in 4 player nonsense casual play. I really feel that strongly that they ruin the flow.

Some really lazy ways to balance them would be the SF4 Wultra style, which is to give an X% power nerf to any final smashes deemed too powerful/usable when they are activated via the in-game method we're dreaming about.

(Remember "Stale moves" only applied to Melee multiplayer modes, and subspace emissary and multiplayer had totally different character balance in Brawl, we know they can change mechanics between modes)

Even lazier implementation: Somewhat normalise all final smash damage, REMOVE ALL KNOCKBACK.

Now final smashes can't kill, they just set you up for an easy kill after they're over. They don't look any less badass though.

There's a million ways this could be done. I just want one that doesn't involve cracking a glowing marble.

TheMikenyan

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Smash Balls though are stupid things that break the flow of gameplay and combat by having everyone jump around like a fool attacking a random screen element until someone becomes Jesus.

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

There's a million ways this could be done. I just want one that doesn't involve cracking a glowing marble.

I'm going to have a really hard time not referring to them mentally as 'Jesus marbles' now.

UberPrinny_Baal

Great Samus suit design suggestions by Conan O Brien

http://teamcoco.com/video/clueless-gamer-super-smash-bros

wampyrus77

captain falcon has is in ssb series since Super Smash Bros.
Super Smash Bros. Melee and Super Smash Bros. Brawl so y he isnt in ssb 4

UberPrinny_Baal

wampyrus77 wrote: »

captain falcon has is in ssb series since Super Smash Bros.
Super Smash Bros. Melee and Super Smash Bros. Brawl so y he isnt in ssb 4

I'm still betting Captain Falcon and Jigglypuff will be confirmed before final release.

wampyrus77

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Great Samus suit design suggestions by Conan O Brien

http://teamcoco.com/video/clueless-gamer-super-smash-bros

conan you get a life

gamecube controller how is that possible wiiu cant use gamecube controllers

Mr.Saturn

wampyrus77 wrote: »

conan you get a life

gamecube controller how is that possible wiiu cant use gamecube controllers

Nintendo are releasing a Gamecube adaptor for Wii U alongside Smash Bros.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/wii-u-gamecube-controller-adapter-to-launch-alongside-super-smash-bros/0133912

wampyrus77

cool beside ive 2 classic controller pro s , gamepad and wii streetfighter beatemup controller designed for fighting games like super smash bros brawl and tekken on the wiiu and a wii remote plus they are all compatilable with wiiu im pretty sure 5 controllers is more and enough for ssb 4

wampyrus77

let hope this gamecube adapter arrive on launch date for europe and ireland too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMQySEjyCUw

HavelTheRock

wampyrus77 wrote: »

let hope this gamecube adapter arrive on launch date for europe and ireland too

It's going to suck if it doesn't I don't think my brain would work trying to play smash with the Wii U controller.

wampyrus77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCtp14W92Do
retranslate into english

Nintendo E3 2014 Digital Event Conference Full Video

wampyrus77

Here’s Dr. Eggman’s machine, Eggrobo, Dr Robotnik trophy. It’ll appear as a guest character in Smash Run and attack you with laser beams. well now we could've Sonic's nemesis joining the battle as pc

http://www.explosion.com/60819/dr-eg...er-smash-bros/

HavelTheRock

The new coin launcher mode looks pretty cool, seems to be an avoid tetris blocks falling thing. Lot better than shooting coins at trophies.

Kirby

HavelTheRock wrote: »

It's going to suck if it doesn't I don't think my brain would work trying to play smash with the Wii U controller.

Yeah I played Melee and Brawl with a cube controller. It would feel really weird to play a smash game without one. I'll have to find mine and dust them off though. And look for my wavebird receiver.

wampyrus77

i hope the adapter comes to ireland so i can use my gamecube controllers, gamecube silver controller, gamecube orange controller, wavebird and my white gamecube controller

UberPrinny_Baal

wampyrus77 wrote: »

i hope the adapter comes to ireland so i can use my gamecube controllers, gamecube silver controller, gamecube orange controller, wavebird and my white gamecube controller

Hang on now, I don't think it's compatible with EVERY colour...

TheMikenyan

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Hang on now, I don't think it's compatible with EVERY colour...

You mean the adapter's RACIST?!

wampyrus77

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5JAaR4KncQ

i hope game and watch is back 2 since i saw him at end pacman trailer

UberPrinny_Baal

wampyrus77 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5JAaR4KncQ

i hope game and watch is back 2 since i saw him at end pacman trailer

It's weird that they'd include him in a trailer, and NOT confirm him as a returning character, but that's absolutely what has happened.

No confirmed GOW at all.

Lythero

No Game OR Watch.

Sairus

Marcus Fenix and Kratos still unconfirmed.

UberPrinny_Baal

You're laughing now, but I'm gonna ruin the two of you when Nintendo confirm the beast: Mr Gears Of War.

The two dimensional terror that comes in a variety of colours; all brown.

Tossing sausage grenades out of his frying pan from behind a chest high wall.

All of his bleep and bloops are actually cencored swears.

Actually this is starting to sound like the best character ever....

Scavenger XIII

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

You're laughing now, but I'm gonna ruin the two of you when Nintendo confirm the beast: Mr Gears Of War.

The two dimensional terror that comes in a variety of colours; all brown.

Tossing sausage grenades out of his frying pan from behind a chest high wall.

All of his bleep and bloops are actually cencored swears.

Actually this is starting to sound like the best character ever....

His Final Smash will initiate a mini version of Cement Factory where he builds his own chest-high-wall to hide behind.

wampyrus77

the Super Smash bros for 3ds due release in usa on october 3rd, is that same date with rest of world

Lythero

Nintendo has been doing a lot of worldwide releases lately, and Smash Bros is one of their biggest titles. So like Mario Kart 8, I'm sure that it'll be out either on October 3rd, or only a couple of days around that mark.

HavelTheRock

So apparently Cap Falcon wasn't even announced for Smash Bros people just found him while playing the game. I wonder if that's how it will be with the new one or if there's a point to that because the 3DS will spoil the roster for Wii U players anyway.

Sairus

HavelTheRock wrote: »

So apparently Cap Falcon wasn't even announced for Smash Bros people just found him while playing the game. I wonder if that's how it will be with the new one or if there's a point to that because the 3DS will spoil the roster for Wii U players anyway.

There were loads of secret characters in all the Smash games. I still remember the day me and my brother were playing Melee after a good year of regular play, then suddenly A New Challenger Approaches!

This game has Mewtwo?!

Ah, pre-internet. It was a special time.

Maybe they'll do something like timelock characters until the WiiU release or something. I doubt it because that could only anger people though.
The games are only being released a couple of months apart from the sounds of it anyway.

Lythero

DLC is a thing now though. It really shouldn't anger many people unless Nintendo plan to sell the characters rather than just have them "unlock" in the game.

HavelTheRock

Lythero wrote: »

DLC is a thing now though. It really shouldn't anger many people unless Nintendo plan to sell the characters rather than just have them "unlock" in the game.

They could use that amiibo thing to add additional characters. Maybe they'd even give them out as free dlc to encourage people to buy the amiibo.

That doesn't help us getting soridu snaku though.

wampyrus77

HavelTheRock wrote: »

So apparently Cap Falcon wasn't even announced for Smash Bros people just found him while playing the game. I wonder if that's how it will be with the new one or if there's a point to that because the 3DS will spoil the roster for Wii U players anyway.

be patient he announce soon after all he has on SSB 1 on 64, Melee and Brawl

and they have nt announce Ness him yet and earthbound bound is on wiiu virtual console now to buy after all he has on SSB 1 on 64, Melee and Brawl
and Game and Watch who at the end of pacman video, after all he has on SSB 2 Melee and Brawl

K.O.Kiki

Lythero wrote: »

DLC is a thing now though. It really shouldn't anger many people unless Nintendo plan to sell the characters rather than just have them "unlock" in the game.

Have Nintendo gone this DLC route for any game?

UberPrinny_Baal

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Have Nintendo gone this DLC route for any game?

There's DLC courses and characters (Rosalina) in the most recent Mario Golf for 3DS I hear.

Also the very recent Rusty's Real Deal Baseball, is pretty much ALL DLC, to the point where it's an in-game mechanic that you can haggle the NPCs down to purchase additional DLC cheaper.

TheMikenyan

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Have Nintendo gone this DLC route for any game?

Only game with paid DLC on a Nintendo system I'm aware of is Phoenix Wright 3DS, which is Capcom, so...

UberPrinny_Baal

I like Kyle Bosman, and also he does an analysis of the Nintendo DLC stuff in a way I find interesting. So here's the context for anyone who's curious (in the order they were posted, since there's minor overlap):

Rusty's real deal baseball: http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/wehyb6/the-final-bosman-most-effed-up-game-ever

Season pass analysis (featuring Mario Golf):
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/l0ogbt/the-final-bosman-the-old-man-and-the-season-pass

HavelTheRock

TheMikenyan wrote: »

Only game with paid DLC on a Nintendo system I'm aware of is Phoenix Wright 3DS, which is Capcom, so...

Mario Golf had DLC but they lowered the cost of the game to equate for it. Smash Bros will release for RRP so who knows if it will get DLC.

Sairus

New Super Mario Bros 2 had DLC stages. Probably a bunch more out there.

wampyrus77

theres new snake game out now for the 3ds that mite put snake forward coming back to ssb 4

UberPrinny_Baal

Simon linked this in the chat, and I think it's one of the best Melee related reads:

http://np.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1hyqyk/nintendo_tells_organizers_they_cant_stream/cazeyxg

Standard question of "Why don't smash players play proper fighters?" with probably the most comprehensive and well written answer I've ever seen.

TheMikenyan

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Simon linked this in the chat, and I think it's one of the best Melee related reads:

http://np.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1hyqyk/nintendo_tells_organizers_they_cant_stream/cazeyxg

Standard question of "Why don't smash players play proper fighters?" with probably the most comprehensive and well written answer I've ever seen.

Sadly no evidence that OP ever read his answer though.