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Changing level in history on the day

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  • 11-06-2013 9:06pm
    #1
    99_99
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭


    Hello, just wondering am I able to change level for history in the junior cert tomorrow? If I want to change what do I need to do? Is there a fee involved?
    I want to change from higher to ordinary
    Thanks


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    #2
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,188 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    You'll need to talk to your Exam Secretary the minute you get in. In some cases they will want a letter from the teacher or Principal, so go in early and organise it.
    Please re-consider changing though, it's not that difficult to pass HL.


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    DublinArnie
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    You won't be familiar with the Ord History exam layout ... best to stick with Higher. A D/Pass in higher is better than an A in Ord, keep that in mind :).


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    99_99
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭99_99


    spurious wrote: »
    You'll need to talk to your Exam Secretary the minute you get in. In some cases they will want a letter from the teacher or Principal, so go in early and organise it.
    Please re-consider changing though, it's not that difficult to pass HL.
    Hello. Do I need to bring in a letter from my parents?


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    Cr4pSnip3r
    Registered Users Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Cr4pSnip3r


    DublinArnie wrote: »
    You won't be familiar with the Ord History exam layout ... best to stick with Higher. A D/Pass in higher is better than an A in Ord, keep that in mind :).

    If we're going by LC standards, and since there's no JC equivalent to compare by, an A in Ord is better than a D in Higher, I'm almost certain.


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    99_99
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭99_99


    Dropping history for the leaving anyway. I got a D in the mocks but looking over stuff tonight I think I am going to fail.


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    spurious
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    A letter from your parents would help, but what did you get in your mock? Would HL be completely out of the question?


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    DublinArnie
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    Cr4pSnip3r wrote: »
    If we're going by LC standards, and since there's no JC equivalent to compare by, an A in Ord is better than a D in Higher, I'm almost certain.
    A1 in ord = 60
    D1 in Higher = 55

    http://www.tcd.ie/Admissions/undergraduate/requirements/matriculation/leavingcert/


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    Cr4pSnip3r
    Registered Users Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Cr4pSnip3r


    DublinArnie wrote: »
    A1 in ord = 60
    D1 in Higher = 55

    http://www.tcd.ie/Admissions/undergraduate/requirements/matriculation/leavingcert/

    So, I'm right? Or am I hopelessly confused.


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    DublinArnie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭DublinArnie


    99_99 wrote: »
    Dropping history for the leaving anyway. I got a D in the mocks but looking over stuff tonight I think I am going to fail.
    We can help, have a look at the history threads on the forum. Loads of useful pin point notes and predictions, you'll pass if you try :).


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    99_99
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭99_99


    spurious wrote: »
    A letter from your parents would help, but what did you get in your mock? Would HL be completely out of the question?
    Got a D nearly 49%. But looking over the History papers tonight I just feel I am going to fail.

    My other exams all in higher level (bar maths) have gone well. Mostly B's.

    I just dont want to fail an exam.


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    DublinArnie
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    Cr4pSnip3r wrote: »
    So, I'm right? Or am I hopelessly confused.
    You're right, but 5 points hardly make a difference. There's a 5 point gap between an A1 in ord and a D1 in higher. Therefore, therologically, higher level is worth more than ord, but techniqicaly, an A1 in Ord is worth more than a D1 in higher.


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    #13
    99_99
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭99_99


    Thanks for your help with this issue.


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    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,188 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    It doesn't really translate at JC, I once gave the same group of students an OL paper one week and a HL paper the next.

    The difference in marks wasn't as extreme as A to D. Those who could get a B on the OL often got C on the HL. Most of the A people got A on both.


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    99_99
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭99_99


    Can you pass on just short questions, docs and pics?


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    DublinArnie
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    spurious wrote: »
    It doesn't really translate at JC, I once gave the same group of students an OL paper one week and a HL paper the next.

    The difference in marks wasn't as extreme as A to D. Those who could get a B on the OL often got C on the HL. Most of the A people got A on both.
    Interesting experiment! :rolleyes:


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    spurious
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    99_99 wrote: »
    Can you pass on just short questions, docs and pics?

    No, but you can pass on those plus the 'people in history' question, which is more or less what the pass paper consists of.

    It's up to you. If you want to drop, drop, but in one way it would be terrible if you got a B or A in Ordinary and never knew what you could have got in Higher.


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    99_99
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭99_99


    spurious wrote: »
    No, but you can pass on those plus the 'people in history' question, which is more or less what the pass paper consists of.

    It's up to you. If you want to drop, drop, but in one way it would be terrible if you got a B or A in Ordinary and never knew what you could have got in Higher.
    If I am border line fail I dont want to end up failing. Thanks for the help, I am going to try and drop down. Is there a chance they wont let me change levels?


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    dodo97
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    In my school anyway they have extra exam papers so it is easy to change levels. just tell the super intendant you wish to ordinary level


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    spurious
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    99_99 wrote: »
    If I am border line fail I dont want to end up failing. Thanks for the help, I am going to try and drop down. Is there a chance they wont let me change levels?

    Not if you get in early and get it sorted.
    In the event that for some reason they don't let you drop, haven't extra papers etc., give it a go anyway and answer as many questions and parts of questions as you can. As you say, you're not doing it for Leaving and it is leaving out questions that makes people fail.
    People rarely fail History because their answers are 'wrong', they fail because they leave out questions, or do the wrong combinations of questions.

    Whatever you decide, good luck with it.


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    99_99
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭99_99


    dodo97 wrote: »
    In my school anyway they have extra exam papers so it is easy to change levels. just tell the super intendant you wish to ordinary level
    Thanks, I will do that aswell as what the above poster said.

    Going to study now, thanks for helping.


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    #22
    dodo97
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭dodo97


    99_99 wrote: »
    Thanks, I will do that aswell as what the above poster said.

    Going to study now, thanks for helping.

    goodluck!:)


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    #23
    OisinLAD
    Registered Users Posts: 120 ✭✭OisinLAD


    99_99 wrote: »
    Thanks, I will do that aswell as what the above poster said.

    Going to study now, thanks for helping.

    Unless you've already decided, I'd encourage you to do HL. If you got 49% in the mock you're not going to fail. In fact you'll probably improve on that grade and get a C ;)


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    Ninjah Tigah
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Ninjah Tigah


    Keep in mind that the Mocks are no comparison to the Junior Cert, they are mainly just to get students prepared for the potentially daunting feature of being in a large hall. There was only 1 A in history in my school, depending on the company that is chosen by the teacher, it can make a huge difference. If you even have the smallest chance of passing in Higher Level, go for it, you'll do fine. Anyway, your choice entirely and good luck with your exam either way.


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    #25
    99_99
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭99_99


    dodo97 wrote: »
    goodluck!:)

    Thanks same to you in the rest of the exams,

    I went for the higher level instead :)


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    #26
    DUBLINHITMAN97
    Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭DUBLINHITMAN97


    99_99 wrote: »
    Thanks same to you in the rest of the exams,

    I went for the higher level instead :)

    What did you think of it?


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    #27
    cfc.forever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭cfc.forever


    Very wise decision bud. If you get a D that doesn't matter, its the fact you didn't "lower" your abilities and you went for the challenge. Its your choice on what you do, don't let teachers tell you what to do/other class mates. If you're happy with your result, thats all that matters, nobody elses decision matters. This is a stepping stone for your leaving cert, I wish you the very best of luck and make sure to come back in post your results.

    - Kilkenny


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