Tom Clancy's The Division

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gimli2112 wrote: »

I just need to accept I have a problem.

...no room for Big Al gloves?

ShadowHearth

Well, I am still hard on this. Though I have to say, that theu need to do a bit of variety the way you get gear. More accurate to say: it has so much cool content, but if you need gear, as it happens this game is all about gear, you just grind resistance. And at this point I am tired of it.

Went to Dark zone today. Properly as 30 this time. I actually had fun as I did not ran in to rogues. Even extrated a lot of garbage twice! I had fun again!

I really loved the journey to 30, I loved what I did when I did not know about resistance. I just found myself doing it for hours with randomers and coming out of it with fudge all.

I would love to do incursions, but I am lone star 280 and I believe I am way to low for it.

They really need to do something with loot distribution. Resistance should not be the only content.

Rob2D

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Resistance should not be the only content.

Resistance is one of the worst things you could be doing for loot. It's mind numbing and the time invested to what you get is nowhere near worth it.

ShadowHearth

Rob2D wrote: »

Resistance is one of the worst things you could be doing for loot. It's mind numbing and the time invested to what you get is nowhere near worth it.

What do I do? My gear is to crap to do incursions. I like a lot those HT, but I just did a few and rewards are really meh.

Dont understand, I still love game and I spent a lot of hours, it just I am really getting tired on Resistance.

gimli2112

Resistance is by far the best way to grind loot. 57% exotic/classified drop everytime you open the chest plus the resistance caches are very good. The only thing that comes close is the DZ, in a group. Clearing Landmarks, contamination events and picking up div rech.

I do Falcon's Lost and Dragon's Nest Incursions every week for the exotic cache and these are easy complete with randoms. Also the three legendary missions Napalm Factory, Times Square and Warrengate, again for an exotic cache. These will give you div tech and an exotic but very low drops for classified, where Resistance is the best thing outside a global event.

At 280 you're easily high enough for those Incursions and Legendaries. You may get unlucky with a group but I haven't failed one in ages.

What has kept me at this is the classifieds and then grinding for div tech so I can optimise them.

Resistance gets dull quick I only play it now and again but I have more or less everything and when you open the chest twice and get nothing it's crushing.

Rob2D

ShadowHearth wrote: »

What do I do? My gear is too crap to do incursions.

No its not. You just don't know how to build a set yet. The game isn't ever going to hand you some magical suit of armor.

I'd wager I could probably go around to all the vendors and buy a bunch of stuff/caches I could make decent sets out of.

gimli2112 wrote: »

Resistance is by far the best way to grind loot. 57% exotic/classified drop everytime you open the chest plus the resistance caches are very good.

And what good is that to him? Why play all day just to get a handful of useless exotics and a few classifieds he won't have a match for? And that's assuming a run good enough for tier 3 caches every time.

Best thing he can do is learn the game. Come up with a couple good achievable sets and aim for them. Do Last Stand/Underground. At beginner level the ranks will come quick and flood you with caches. Do challenging missions and spend credits/phoenix at vendors to attain the rest.

Play smart, not all day.

gimli2112

The best way to get classifieds outside of a GE is via Resistance (possible DZ farming in a group) but I agree even I wouldn't grind it all day.
You could build a reasonable alternative to a six piece with the ninja bike back pack but it's still not going to compete with the tier 1 classifieds.
I really enjoyed Underground and it's an easy weekly challenge for a guaranteed exotic although you need to be level 35 to access all missions, without matchmaking. The LZ weekly challenge is a bit of a chore and not really worth it imo (run 10 hard missions .... yuk)
Until the next patch changing the drop rates and the next GE it's going to be a grind to get classified gear. If you're still enjoying the game play it and just build up div tech / exotics.

Slutmonkey57b

First thing is to understand you don't have to get worried you don't have the "best" gear. The game just needs you to keep pace. Look at optimising your existing gear all the time. First off, work out which stats help *you*. There are loads of guides about getting the best gear for lunatics who play weeks at a time, have a hundred million credits, all the dlc packs, etc.


First work out what part of your game needs boosting; health, firepower, or skills.
Next look at your gear
Can you change the rolls?
Do you have "inserts" that boost the stat you want? If not, can you craft them or buy them?
Can you change the talents on your weapons?
Can you *use* the talents?

The game wants you to learn these basic ideas. You can chase someone else's ideal build, but unless you learn this stuff the after game will suck and you'll still rely on other people telling you the "correct" build.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

work out which stats help *you*.

This a bazillion times.

For me personally I run a glass cannon that heals 33% of health on kill. It gets tight at times during a fight but it does keep things exciting

gimli2112

Some posts on Reddit (2) suggesting a surprise GE this weekend. It is referenced on the official twitter. https://twitter.com/TheDivisionGame?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
The internet has lied to me before.

PaddyBomb

Are global events just special missions that come around every so often?

gimli2112

They're events that last about a week or from Friday to Tuesday. You earn specific GE currency by doing missions and incursions that you can use to buy GE caches, which have a very high chance of dropping classified gear and exotics. In the past specific gear sets have been in each GE. Last one was Firecrest, Tactician , AlphaBridge and Hunter's Faith.

The missions have modifiers. The last one you dealt more damage when firing from behind cover but took extra damage when running around yourself. The one before that the npcs exploded when you killed them.

Not sure what will be in the next one.

ShadowHearth

Rob2D wrote: »

No its not. You just don't know how to build a set yet. The game isn't ever going to hand you some magical suit of armor.

I'd wager I could probably go around to all the vendors and buy a bunch of stuff/caches I could make decent sets out of.



And what good is that to him? Why play all day just to get a handful of useless exotics and a few classifieds he won't have a match for? And that's assuming a run good enough for tier 3 caches every time.

Best thing he can do is learn the game. Come up with a couple good achievable sets and aim for them. Do Last Stand/Underground. At beginner level the ranks will come quick and flood you with caches. Do challenging missions and spend credits/phoenix at vendors to attain the rest.

Play smart, not all day.

Right now I am running as my main:
280 ilvl
Lone star 4 + Nomad 2
Big All + Hungry hog
7k/5k/3k

It works pretty well in resistance groups, I can survive and dish out a very good amount of damage consistently. Crap at solo though. Would love to try it in incursion, but cant get matchmaking for any.

My solo build.

278 ilvl
D3 4 + 2 Nomad
Yellow Aug, which is not great and cant find anything better.
4.2k/6k/4.9k

It works really well for solo stuff I do. Using it for DZ, Hvt and some undergroud.

Mainly I do resistance and I can wear any set as I have a collection of almost every single normal piece. When I am getting sick of resistance I go do DZ and mess around there.
Did challenging underground solo, but it can get so frustrating so fast. For example mobs spawning in front and back of me. Pretty much instant death.

Love idea of incursions, but couldn't get a party for those at all.

gimli2112

Wonder if the issue with the incursions is you need to run the normal one first? Once you do it on normal it unlocks heroic and this is where everyone will be playing, as it's heroic that drops the exotic cache. There might just be very few people playing on normal?

ShadowHearth

gimli2112 wrote: »

Wonder if the issue with the incursions is you need to run the normal one first? Once you do it on normal it unlocks heroic and this is where everyone will be playing, as it's heroic that drops the exotic cache. There might just be very few people playing on normal?

Are normal incursions soloable?

gimli2112

Falcon's Lost is and Clear Sky but they would be pretty tough, if not rage inducing. I've done Clear Sky normal in groups and almost been reduced to tears. It's fine once one or two people know what to do.
Dragon's Sky is not and I don't think you can solo Stolen Signal.

Rob2D

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Right now I am running as my main........

My solo build............

OK so you seem to like Nomad, that's good. Get rid of Lonestar it's no use to you. And put away the shield. Shield is such a noob magnet. People who use it never learn to play and survive the game proper. All it's good for is blocking hallways and lines of sight so I start shouting at you.

New solo build:

Barrett's chest (if you have it) / Vigorous
Specialised Bag
4 remaining Nomad

Roll health on kill on everything. It should all be firearms and health major. Firearms in the front for those nice weapons talents. Likewise firearms and health mods. Electronics does not exist, forget about it. Roll all the small stuff as you see fit.

Talents should be the health pack defense one, the one that pulses on a headshot, one is none and tactical advance.

Run with overdose and med station. Pulse if you like to be really aware.

Use a bolt action and MDR/a good AR you are comfortable with up close.

Congratulations, you can now solo the entire dark zone/any mission PvE with care.

For a group:

Reclaimer or Sentry

The idea here is to keep safe and be of some use to people.

For the reclaimer it's the same as above. Just go for electronics and health since you won't be fighting. Even it out or go more electronics I leave it up to you.

Skills are defrib and box obviously.

Talents are obviously the med ones and maybe on the move.

Same layout again plus Sentry is the easiest. Just put every god damn thing you have in firearms and damage. You want 9-10K firearms. Use a bolt action and MDR and hit like a truck. Mark heads like crazy.

Use defrib to pick others up (you should have a good view of the battlefield from behind them) and revive box to drop before you go down so you can pick yourself. A sentry should be self-sufficient so mind yourself.

Talents same as nomad.

gimli2112

I wouldn't disagree with any of Rob's advice (I'll let the shield criticism go) but if you are rolling a classified nomad piece, I don't think it needs health on kill. On a 5 piece nomad you have 25% HOK plus a little native heal, putting more on is overkill. Better off to have Enemy Armour Damage and Damage to Elites for end game PvE, imo. On regular nomad HOK is more useful but I'd still prefer EAD and DTE. I noticed a big difference when I started piling those on.

Critical Save is the medical talent and precision is the pulsey one. One is none is good although I only use it on D3FNC

ShadowHearth

Rob2D wrote: »

OK so you seem to like Nomad, that's good. Get rid of Lonestar it's no use to you. And put away the shield. Shield is such a noob magnet. People who use it never learn to play and survive the game proper. All it's good for is blocking hallways and lines of sight so I start shouting at you.

New solo build:

Barrett's chest (if you have it) / Vigorous
Specialised Bag
4 remaining Nomad

Roll health on kill on everything. It should all be firearms and health major. Firearms in the front for those nice weapons talents. Likewise firearms and health mods. Electronics does not exist, forget about it. Roll all the small stuff as you see fit.

Talents should be the health pack defense one, the one that pulses on a headshot, one is none and tactical advance.

Run with overdose and med station. Pulse if you like to be really aware.

Use a bolt action and MDR/a good AR you are comfortable with up close.

Congratulations, you can now solo the entire dark zone/any mission PvE with care.

For a group:

Reclaimer or Sentry

The idea here is to keep safe and be of some use to people.

For the reclaimer it's the same as above. Just go for electronics and health since you won't be fighting. Even it out or go more electronics I leave it up to you.

Skills are defrib and box obviously.

Talents are obviously the med ones and maybe on the move.

Same layout again plus Sentry is the easiest. Just put every god damn thing you have in firearms and damage. You want 9-10K firearms. Use a bolt action and MDR and hit like a truck. Mark heads like crazy.

Use defrib to pick others up (you should have a good view of the battlefield from behind them) and revive box to drop before you go down so you can pick yourself. A sentry should be self-sufficient so mind yourself.

Talents same as nomad.

Okay, thanks for that post.

I kind of agree with D3 argument. Its still a very nice set, but it wont teach you anything. It is very cheesy. And to be honest, I tried not to use it if I could. As of right now, I scraped it and it went in to the box for safe keeping.

So I threw together a fast Nomad set. 4 piece Nomad and 2 piece Alfa bridge. I dont know how that 100% regenerate works. I wanted to put striker, because I love stability. Problem is I dont have good striker gloves. Both of them shiete.
I dont have any yellow pieces. Always get wrid of them. I guess I will start paying some attention to them.

Misses just got back home so I had no chance to test it yet.

I will make reclaimer set too, which was planed for ages. Would two piece tacticion be a good combo for it? I have that exotic AR too, the one that heals on cirts.

gimli2112

I saw a youtube video on the AB 100% regen and it was very underwhelming. Can't remember the specific problem but remember thinking I don't need that. Two piece tactician gives 15% skill haste which is always good.

Rob2D

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Would two piece tactician be a good combo for it?

If skill haste means that much to you I guess. I wouldn't give up the other things for it myself.

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I have that exotic AR too, the one that heals on crits.

No. It's not a crit build. AR's aren't even crit guns. That talent is completely useless.

I suppose I should mention you could give up every last bit of electronics in the nomad build and run a refreshed mask instead of the bag. That way your med kit would get a buff along with first aid. But it sort of requires you to live on a knife edge. Good for the risky player.

Rob2D

gimli2112 wrote: »

Better off to have Enemy Armour Damage and Damage to Elites for end game PvE

Also no. An M700 or M44 with high firearms will kill enemies in 2-3 shots depending. Any EAD or DTE you add on isn't going to change that. The numbers are too big.

ShadowHearth

So finally managed to sit down and play tonight.

Firat, I made a reclaimer 4 + 2 tactician set and went to resistance. Unfortunately there was another reclaimer and on paper it sounds great, but I felt huge lack of dps thx to that. Group was very low level too. We wiped in wave 9 and it was very cringy.
All in all being a healer is fun. Just hope next time I will get a grpup with no reclaimers. :pac:

Second, I gave a wee run to my nomad 4 +
2 predator build and it was working really well. First tried hard UG, but it was way too easy, so I bumped up difficulty to challenging. Have to say, I did not expected to survive as even my D3, was very dodgy, but I did it, without many big issues. The main thing is it was fun way too. After getting the feel of this combo, I can start tweeking it more.

Oh yeah, my Lonestar set stays. I love it too much. :pac:

gimli2112

UG challenging can be a mare. UG itself has a full loot pool. I haven't used it to farm gear but have got some nice stuff from it.
You do really notice the lack of dps on a reclaimer built for electronics. Some npcs that normally take a 1/2 clip to kill need 2 clips+ to put down. It's why I tend to use a pulse as the second skill.
You will also see the benefit of a ninja back pack for non classified builds if you get one.
Lonestar is the only set I don't have and I so want. Built right the classified lonestar is the best dps build in the game apparently.

skerry

gimli2112 wrote: »

Some posts on Reddit (2) suggesting a surprise GE this weekend. It is referenced on the official twitter. https://twitter.com/TheDivisionGame?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
The internet has lied to me before.

So, I'm just past level 27 and hoping to be up to 30 for the weekend. If this GE is going ahead, apart from being level 30 is there any other criteria I need to meet to partake?

Also, what should I expect as far as the GE goes? Is it a specific game mode for the weekend or what?

Praying for a snow day here to make sure I get to 30 in time for weekend

gimli2112

skerry wrote: »

So, I'm just past level 27 and hoping to be up to 30 for the weekend. If this GE is going ahead, apart from being level 30 is there any other criteria I need to meet to partake?

Also, what should I expect as far as the GE goes? Is it a specific game mode for the weekend or what?

Praying for a snow day here to make sure I get to 30 in time for weekend

I don't know if you have to be level 30. I have run challenging missions with players below 30 but you may need to be friends with someone to bring you in. It looks like the GE is going ahead. Should be more news in State of the Game on Thursday. I'd get to 30 just to be sure.

Generally the best farming runs are Clear Sky Heroic (with a squad) or Lexington Challenging (with anything with a brain and even this is optional). There will be specific missions that offer bonus GE credits but you'll still find Clear Sky and Lex will be the most economical in terms of time.

It's just a grind frenzy for GE credits to buy caches. I'm unsure if the cache changes will be implemented, probably not, in which case you should only buy the superior caches for 1500 and not the bog standard ones.

skerry

gimli2112 wrote: »

I don't know if you have to be level 30. I have run challenging missions with players below 30 but you may need to be friends with someone to bring you in. It looks like the GE is going ahead. Should be more news in State of the Game on Thursday. I'd get to 30 just to be sure.

Generally the best farming runs are Clear Sky Heroic (with a squad) or Lexington Challenging (with anything with a brain and even this is optional). There will be specific missions that offer bonus GE credits but you'll still find Clear Sky and Lex will be the most economical in terms of time.

It's just a grind frenzy for GE credits to buy caches. I'm unsure if the cache changes will be implemented, probably not, in which case you should only buy the superior caches for 1500 and not the bog standard ones.

Sound Gimli. I'll try get to Level 30 just incase. Have a couple of more story missions to get through (2 I think) so hoping I should be there or thereabouts after them.

I'll be matchmaking with randoms so and see how that goes. Fingers crossed for some good lewts.

ShadowHearth

Told my friend about Division. Took me two weeks to get him to go and buy it as he always had excuse. The only game he ever plays is Lol. You know what kind of people I am talking about, right?
So he finally bought it yesterday....
Gave me **** this morning as he got late to work. He played division for 10 hours last night and couldn't wake up for work at 6:00 lol.

Anyway, I cant wait for new patch. My favourite activity is high threat targets. This patch will make it a lot better. Still resistance is a king, but at least now I might get something doing what I like.

ShadowHearth

What is the drop rate for classified gear in those resistance chests? I **** you not put of 5 opened I got only one classified. I got my fourth Tenebrea though. :pac:

And I went as reclaimer in my last run. I thought I did good job, but after a wipe on wave 13, I got a messege from some girl "the worst reclaimer I ever sow." Right in to feels. I am a very new reclaimer, but it was hard to keep alive her and another squishy sniper I had in group. All I said was "sorry". I am pretty sure she didn't expected that. I am too old to argue with teenagers!

So that GE is coming in 24h. I though patch will drop before the event.
Can anyone tell me what it is and how it works. what should I do for it?

gimli2112

Drop rate is 57%, probably for both exotics and classifieds. The more you play a game with RNG the more you hate it, as silly RNG can happen.

Lol, the internet is full of eejits. Eejits who often blame others for their own shortcomings. Fair play to you for not reacting, I could only wish to be so mature. As you play you'll do stuff that saves the day and make mistakes. As long as you're having fun who cares what some random clown thinks. Unfortunately taking this line of thinking too far is what created trolls and hackers. I can guarantee you that you're not "the worst reclaimer ever", so funny though.

GE is just an event. By playing missions or incursions you will earn GE credits, that can be used to buy caches in the GE part of the BoO, which have a very high chance (57% again I think) of dropping classified or exotic gear. You can still do regular stuff (maybe not resistance or UG). Best farming method for you will be to do Lex or Hudson on challenging. Over and over and over again. The grind will be worth it.

Have you tried the legendary missions yet? These would be relatively challenging but good fun / rewards.