Using the car outside Ireland for a few months

Henry Ford III

I was joking Cinio

CiniO

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I was joking Cinio

I know.
Me either - I was bored anyway.

bear1

Originally Posted by Sobanek View Post
It usually is cheaper than VRT in Ireland though.

Compare the wages though with the costs of living. Have a few Polish friends who live in Warsaw that get roughly 2,200zl net so roughly 500e per month, about 180e on rent, then another 50ish euro on bills plus food and transport. Not easy to save so generally people save as much as possible or go down the loan route just to get a car from Germany/France or Italy. Gone off topic now
Anyway, I've done and dusted the whole tax thing and I'm going down the display it and thats it route and just let it run out. Car is insured so thats the main priority

CiniO

bear1 wrote: »

Compare the wages though with the costs of living. Have a few Polish friends who live in Warsaw that get roughly 2,200zl net so roughly 500e per month, about 180e on rent, then another 50ish euro on bills plus food and transport. Not easy to save so generally people save as much as possible or go down the loan route just to get a car from Germany/France or Italy. Gone off topic now
Anyway, I've done and dusted the whole tax thing and I'm going down the display it and thats it route and just let it run out. Car is insured so thats the main priority

I'd say for the time you spend in Poland you can easily unstick your disc holder and display nothing.
Carry reg cert, insurance cert, nct cert and licence, and you will be 100% clear in case of any roadcheck. Remember about 20mg alcohol limit, so if you go for a proper booze in the evening, better don't drive until late afternoon next day. I know you said you didn't encounter any police checks, but trust me - alcohol checkpoints are quite frequent - also in the morning. And worth to know that in case of any accident - even simple parking scratch - each party is entitled to call the police, and when they come over they will be breathylising both drivers first thing.

You might want to purchase a warning triangle and fire extinguisher, as while those are not required from foreign vehicles in Poland, but police might just not be aware of that, and therefore they might try to fine you for not having them. And assuming your Polish is not fluent (I might be wrong) you might not be the greatest party to argue with the police. Warning triangle and car fire extinguisher shouldn't cost more than 10 euros in any Polish supermarket.

Sam Russell

And do not forget your breathalyser kit if driving through France.

CiniO

Sam Russell wrote: »

And do not forget your breathalyser kit if driving through France.

I heard this doesn't apply anymore. That regulations were reverted.
But it's only what I've heard. Maybe someone can confirm.

Sam Russell

CiniO wrote: »

I heard this doesn't apply anymore. That regulations were reverted.
But it's only what I've heard. Maybe someone can confirm.

It was a stupid idea. Hope it has gone.

If you wear glasses in Spain, you need to carry a spare pair in your car. Another stupid regulation.

Some countries require hi-viz jackets and first aid kits and triangles, etc. etc.

I thought the EU had sorted all this crap out.

bear1

I havent heard about the changes in French law, but just in case I already bought one. 10e in Halfords for 3.
Triangle I have but not the extinguisher. My Polish isnt very good but I can get by, and anyway, just in case I've got friends I can call on.
Only 2 days to go now

djimi

CiniO wrote: »

Car needs to be taxed only if being used (driven or parked) on "public road" (not "public place").

I'm pretty sure you could find a parking place in the port which isn't public road.

Citizens Information begs to differ:

It is a legal requirement in Ireland to have motor tax if you want to drive your vehicle in a public place.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/motor_tax_and_insurance/motor_tax_rates.html

Not sure what the statute book says; cant find the relevant section.

Probably doesnt matter too much either way as it seems a port is something of a special case anyway.

CiniO

bear1 wrote: »

I havent heard about the changes in French law, but just in case I already bought one. 10e in Halfords for 3.
Triangle I have but not the extinguisher. My Polish isnt very good but I can get by, and anyway, just in case I've got friends I can call on.
Only 2 days to go now

Good luck with the journey.

CiniO

djimi wrote: »

Citizens Information begs to differ:



http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/motor_tax_and_insurance/motor_tax_rates.html

Not sure what the statute book says; cant find the relevant section.

Probably doesnt matter too much either way as it seems a port is something of a special case anyway.

Looks like citizens information website is wrong.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1952/en/act/pub/0024/print.html

1.—(1) On and after the 1st day of January, 1953, there shall, subject to the provisions of this Act, be charged, levied and paid in respect of mechanically propelled vehicles used on public roads duties of excise at the rates specified in the Schedule to this Act.

No law out there requiring vehicles which are on public places which aren't public roads to be taxed.

djimi

CiniO wrote: »

Looks like citizens information website is wrong.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1952/en/act/pub/0024/print.html


No law out there requiring vehicles which are on public places which aren't public roads to be taxed.

Fair enough, I went looking for this but didnt know where in the statute book to look.

Sam Russell

@bear1

Good luck on you journey. Watch out fr the new SORN law which might come into force here while you are away.

bear1

Watch out fr the new SORN law which might come into force here while you are away.

In this case, how would I deal with this situation? Would I have to declare the car SORN while still abroad?

Sam Russell

bear1 wrote: »

In this case, how would I deal with this situation? Would I have to declare the car SORN while still abroad?

Yes. Do it using motortax.ie.

bear1

Perfect, thanks guys for all you help and wishes

One last thing however, if I SORN the car when I arrive in Poland to avoid new tax charges, would this have an impact on the insurance?

Del2005

Sam Russell wrote: »

If you wear glasses in Spain, you need to carry a spare pair in your car. Another stupid regulation.

So if you need glasses to drive and you break the pair you are wearing how to do you drive safely?

CiniO

Sam Russell wrote: »

Yes. Do it using motortax.ie.

How do you know that?
Nothing was introduced yet. All we've seen was just a proposal.

CiniO

bear1 wrote: »

Perfect, thanks guys for all you help and wishes

One last thing however, if I SORN the car when I arrive in Poland to avoid new tax charges, would this have an impact on the insurance?

At the moment it's impossible to tell, but most likely not.
Once the system is introduce, I'd be no surprised if insurers added a condition to their policies that insurance doesn't apply to SORNed vehicles.

But at the moment nothing is certain so I'd say you can not worry about it.

CiniO

Del2005 wrote: »

So if you need glasses to drive and you break the pair you are wearing how to do you drive safely?

You just don't drive unless you get new pair.
The same as you don't drive if you car breaks down until you get it fixed.

Anyway - I've been wearing glasses for 10 years now, and I've never broken them.

joujoujou

CiniO wrote: »

[...]
And technical requirements are described in difference act, which states that vehicle registered abroad must fulfil requirement for vehicles in international traffic from Vienna convention on road traffic from 1968.

[...]
All those countries were signatories of Vienna convention, and they just can't put any extra requirements.

[...]

Ireland did not sign it, by the way.

Sam Russell wrote: »

It was a stupid idea. Hope it has gone.

If you wear glasses in Spain, you need to carry a spare pair in your car. Another stupid regulation.

Some countries require hi-viz jackets and first aid kits and triangles, etc. etc.

I thought the EU had sorted all this crap out.

It's been dealt somehow, IIRC - if one's car is 100% equipped according to rules in a country where's registered, then should be accepted in other country as well.

Del2005 wrote: »

So if you need glasses to drive and you break the pair you are wearing how to do you drive safely?

And what if you break another pair?

Sam Russell

Del2005 wrote: »

So if you need glasses to drive and you break the pair you are wearing how to do you drive safely?

Youy are more likely to lose them, I would have thought.

Carawaystick

FBD cover the EEA and turkey with no time restrictions, apart from the year length of the policy

bear1

Well I've arrived, had no issues at all. Weather very good also
What I have noticed is the bloody price of tolls roads from the German border to Warsaw - roughly about 20e for what is about 400km of road. Quite expensive IMO.
Car didn't miss a beat which is the reason I went for a Volvo I think whilst I'm here I'm going to get repairs done on the car as its a quarter of the price per hour here and parts are cheaper