What is a clutch replacement kit?

BlackWizard

My honda deauville has a problem with its clutch. It's juddering and even slipping.

I'm going to replace the clutch. But on ebay the clutch prices go from 35 euro to 120 euro.

What's the difference between http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Honda-NT-650-V2-Deauville-2002-Clutch-Kit-/180957637961?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2a21ea6d49
and
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Honda-NT-650-VW-V5-Deauville-98-05-EBC-SRK062-Clutch-Kit-/140639664081?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item20bec6f7d1

aman23

i would imagine, one contains clutch friction plates only, and the other kit contains clutch friction plates and the metal plates.

The Nutty M

As said above,the dear one contains plain and friction plates as well as clutch springs it seems,the cheap one is for friction plates only.

You sure the clutch is goosed completely? And it's not just that there is no freeplay?

CJhaughey

Is there many miles on your bike?
Friction plates alone will be fine if the miles aren't massive.
Soak them in oil overnight before you replace them.
I usually cut the pack close to the cardboard and just fill the blister with oil to soak them.
However if the bike has a lot of miles on it check the driven plates for wear/blueing which could mean they need to be replaced as well.
When you have the clutch basket off check the fingers aren't notched where the friction plates contact the fingers, if they are then a light filing can make the clutch smooth like butter again.

BlackWizard

There is about 40k miles on my bike.

The biggest problem is that the clutch is not disengaging when I pull the lever. I adjusted it to a point where there is no free play on the lever (extreme) and pulled the clutch lever in all the way. Result is that it is still engaged. I can't stop the back wheel from moving with my foot and I find it impossible to get into neutral.

I have the clutch out of the bike now. Horrible odd burnt smell from it. Is this normal? Probably since it's a clutch? Besides that I can't see any unusual scraping or warped plates.

I'm going to upload a video to youtube showing you all the parts. I've no experience with this so maybe these plates do look knackered.

BlackWizard

YouTube video I just made:

Fr Dougal

Quick question, what engine oil did you use? Car oil or bike specific oil? Car oil can cause clutch slip

BlackWizard

It was serviced at a garage before I bought it. The clutch isn't actually slipping. It's just not disengaging even with the clutch pin fully pushed into the basket.

Also when I'm pulling away in 1st gear it was severely judder.

Just noticed that the rings that compress are actually warn into the metal plate. I don't think there should be a severe groove in any of the plates. This plate is has a 1mm groove cut into it from the tiny compression ring.

CJhaughey

That clutch looks fine to me, I'd say either you have a cable problem or the arm that moves the pushrod in the centre of the clutch is not fitted correctly.
The friction plates are a little worn but the driven ones are fine.
Since you have it apart replace the friction plates, are the springs in spec for length?
You could always move the arm back a notch so it pulls more.

BlackWizard

I ordered new friction plates and springs. I haven't got a manual for the Honda Deauville so I couldn't measure. I should have checked somehow to see if the clutch cable was pulling that arm all the way so that the bolt goes right into the clutch basket. The problem might actually just be in the cable and that arm or the springs even.

It's my first kind of project bike so I don't mind learning as I'm going with this. I bought it knowing it had clutch issues, bad tyres and center stand about to break.