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Would you pay him?

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  • 13-06-2013 4:20pm
    #1
    DubTony
    Registered Users Posts: 3,269 ✭✭✭


    This is a little bit cryptic, but it kind of needs to be (for now). Apologies.

    Say you hire somebody to do work for you, and the type of work is only of any use to you when it is finalised. Now I'm not talking about having a car repaired improperly or windows installed that might not shut properly. I'm talking about a job that requires satisfaction on both ends of the transaction. The guy I'd hire to finalise this work can best be described as a go-between who will deal with the other persons go-between.

    So let's say my go-between screws up so monumentally, that the guy on the other end of the transaction decides that it has taken too long and pulls out of the deal, where do I stand if my guy sends me a bill for the work he has done even if there is no result for me?

    Would anyone here pay him?


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    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Sorry, but that's just too vague.


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    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Contact the Persons governing body, for example if it were a legal professional I'd contact the law society or the taxing master.


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    DubTony
    Registered Users Posts: 3,269 ✭✭✭DubTony


    Ken, I see where you're coming from.
    Governing bodies have nothing to do with it though. Allow me to change things a little. If you hired an electrician to rewire a house and after a couple of weeks he said the jobs done and gave you the bill, but you had no power despite the electricity company telling you that there was power going into your house, would you pay him?
    If you got a carpenter to build wardrobes and he came to you one day and told you he was done and presented a bill, but you noticed that all he'd done was put up a frame without doors and no bar to hang anything on or drawers to put clothes in, would you pay him?


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    drunkmonkey
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    It sounds Iike you owe the lady, she turned up in the field, got all the gear set up but you never arrived with the cow.
    You don't owe the full bill but you do owe for the time and possibly some new tits if she got them especially for the Job.


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    DubTony
    Registered Users Posts: 3,269 ✭✭✭DubTony


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    It sounds Iike you owe the lady, she turned up in the field, got all the gear set up but you never arrived with the cow.
    You don't owe the full bill but you do owe for the time and possibly some new tits if she got them especially for the Job.

    Thanks drunkmonkey. But let's say that in the situation above, I did bring the cow, but for some reason she didn't milk it properly (maybe she forgot the bucket and put milk all over the ground) and the other guy wouldn't take the dirty milk. If the milk maid wants to be paid, as a freelancer, shouldn't she get paid for results rather than by the hour?

    So I think my question still stands.

    As for the new tits; well, I'd love to know what sort of deal you think I'm being so vague about. ;)


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    mockingjay
    Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭mockingjay


    OK, say you're impotent, so you hire a guy to do the job with the Missus - he does the job but she doesn't get pregnant - so in this scenario I'd say - check your contract.


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    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Say you bought a fishing rod but you never caught any fish with it.

    Say you buy a car with a speedometer that goes to 240 kph but you can only get it to 220.

    Say you pay for music lessons but the kid is just tone deaf.

    Say you plant a packet of seeds and only 80% of them germinate.

    This is a ridiculous discussion without any details of the service. OP you can detail the scenario without naming names surely! Otherwise, this is meaningless.


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    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Your not the escort who's punter rang the cops because she was too ugly?


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    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Op, stop being vague in fairness its just silly, Nobody can really help you properly

    Either give some usable details, check your contract or seek professional advise if you don't want to disclose details here


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    DubTony
    Registered Users Posts: 3,269 ✭✭✭DubTony


    I came across this thread in the Legal Discussion forum today. The mods over there get all upset whenever anyone asks a question that might require a little bit of insider education to answer, so it was locked on the basis that the poster was looking for "legal advice".

    I thought it would be a consumer issue, but given that it was a solicitor who made a mess of things (allegedly :rolleyes:), I was curious to see what opinions might be here within the general populace. If it was a carpenter or electrician (or a milk maid) as described above I have no doubt there wouldn't be any chance of the guy getting paid, so should a solicitor?


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    Glenbhoy
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    You'd need to see the engagement letter and terms set out in that. Either way it seems like it would be very difficult for the solicitor to actually obtain the money given the probable financial position of the vendor (judgement against the property etc).

    If it happened to me and it was definitely the solicitor's fault (difficult to ascertain of course), then I certainly wouldn't be paying the full amount and it's unlikely I'd pay a vastly reduced amount either, in saying that, given the circumstances, I'd be surprised if the solicitor was actually to blame, seeing as he was bound to know that he'd be unlikely to be paid without the sale going through.


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    DubTony
    Registered Users Posts: 3,269 ✭✭✭DubTony


    Bridget Kind Rainfall wrote: »
    Say you bought a fishing rod but you never caught any fish with it.

    Say you buy a car with a speedometer that goes to 240 kph but you can only get it to 220.

    Say you pay for music lessons but the kid is just tone deaf.

    Say you plant a packet of seeds and only 80% of them germinate.

    This is a ridiculous discussion without any details of the service. OP you can detail the scenario without naming names surely! Otherwise, this is meaningless.
    Cabaal wrote: »
    Op, stop being vague in fairness its just silly, Nobody can really help you properly

    Either give some usable details, check your contract or seek professional advise if you don't want to disclose details here

    Jesus, some of you are terrible cranky.

    Have you anything to offer now that all has been revealed, or do you just come here to moan?


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    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    I would need to see the agreement and terms. I would probably pay him but not the full amount. Blame is not at all clear and without clarifying that aspect you are obliged to pay him. Chances are the sale would not have been agreed with a judgement against it anyway. Very little fault on solicitor and any further discussion wanders in to legal advice, which is prohibited here.


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