Why Are Promiscuous Women Still Treated With Contempt?

Czarcasm

KyussBishop wrote: »

Not in general judged more harshly, but in terms of sexual attractiveness.

I thought we were leaving attractiveness out of it as it was subjective?

It's corroborated by a number of posters here, both directly and (I would judge) tacitly/indirectly by some female posters too, which does lend weight to it

It seems you judged that wrong KB if the last few pages are anything to go by, and yet yourself, Tesco and Pug are still the only ones making the same misguided argument, Pug even trying to wedge aspergers in there. I mean, seriously? Thankfully that one didn't fly too far.

I don't need to explain why that happens, in order for it to have credibility (I'm not female after all, or the type who would make that judgment, and I'm not a mind reader either).

You DO need to explain why you would think that way if that's the argument you're putting forward. And as for your argument having credibility, well that's been shot to shìt over the last few pages. You admit you're not a mind reader, yet here you are telling women posters that they're wrong??

Unless female posters, who would tend to judge like that, would come in and explain why (unlikely, as why would anyone want to admit making that kind of judgement?)

So now you ARE a mind reader? When it suits you of course, just like when you'll introduce the attractiveness perspective when it suits you.

we're going to have to do without an explanation as to why that happens, and settle for corroboration.

Well I'm not as much a fan of taking someone's opinion as fact with no explanation as you are, but I'm guessing the last few pages of women posters pointing out to you how wrong you are isn't enough for you, you'll happily ignore their opinion and stick by your own biased assumptions.

Czarcasm

Singularity 1 wrote: »

At 21 you're still very young. If you're still in the same situation when you're 30 then you might have a case.

I'm sure Jaffa knows her own mind and her own personal circumstances better than you do in all fairness! Unless you too are a mind reader like Kyuss Bishop! :pac:

Tesco Frog Muffin

What has value other than attractiveness when trying to seduce/court a partner?

Sometimes I think you are deliberately being illogical, czarcasm.

Singularity 1

Czarcasm wrote: »

more and more women are hiring male escorts and sex workers to fulfill their needs because they are for whatever reason finding it difficult to find a man, or woman even, who will offer them what they need, and I'm not talking about the fifties and fading types either. I'm talking young women in their 20's and 30's that have money to spend and not a whole lot of time off work to spend it.

Ahh yes but there are still a hell of a lot more female escorts than male escorts. That's an undisputable fact my friend. So obviously there is a greater demand for female escorts. Over 1000 Irish men pay for sex daily. So would that not suggest that men find it more difficult to attain casual sex?

Edit: Through the conventional routes I mean.

Tesco Frog Muffin

Singularity 1 wrote: »

Ahh yes but there are still a hell of a lot more female escorts than male escorts. That's an undisputable fact my friend. So obviously there is a greater demand for female escorts. Over 1000 Irish men pay for sex daily. So would that not suggest that men find it more difficult to attain casual sex?

Edit: Through the conventional routes I mean.

You may as well show satellite pictures of the earth from space to someone who believes the earth is flat. Czarcasm's already made up his mind on his absurd opinion, and he's highly unlikely to give it up. He will literally argue that there are also 1000 women a day doing the same. No joke.

audi12

there is no disputing the fact that men find it so much harder to pick up women that should not even be up for discussion, in relationships both genders have a hard time the usual problems exist.

The fact is do in terms of having the option to date etc any reasonable looking woman has a huge choice and yes does have it easy in this area not the same for lads who have do all the chasing and take the rejection. the thing is women know they have all the power and it shows when men approach them a lot of times their attitude is awful and ignrant

huey1975

Prodigious wrote: »

Human nature is to want what we can't have. If Mila Kunis was going round Coppers shagging every man left right and centre, would she be as attractive?

Yes

Singularity 1

Prodigious wrote: »

Human nature is to want what we can't have. If Mila Kunis was going round Coppers shagging every man left right and centre, would she be as attractive?

Probably even more so. :pac:

Legs.Eleven

All these posters registered in June. Hmmm.

Tesco Frog Muffin

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

All these posters registered in June. Hmmm.

June is a fine month for us pale sexually-anxious males to retreat inside and discuss our woes on internet forums. What's the issue here?

Czarcasm

Tesco Frog Muffin wrote: »

Effectively you're claiming that women approach men just as much as visa versa, which I don't think even aspiring ladies man czarcasm would claim.

Aspiring what? Just because my opinion differs from yours, somehow now you assume I'm white knighting? Get out of it would you, seriously! Actually it's hard to take you serious at all tbh - outdated, nonsensical, childish ideas about women fuelled by bitterness and rejection.

The only people trying to drag Ireland back into the 20's are opinions line your's, Kyuss Bishop's, and Pugs, who started this thread lamenting the slut shaming that's still prevalent in Ireland today.

I'm reminded of "the boys" in Brian Friel's play "Philadelphia Here I Come" - the type of lads that'll stand around in the club, eyeballing all the girls and relating what they would and wouldn't do to them, etc, and not one of them with a pair of balls between them that if the girl approached them it's like watching them swallow their own tongue! :pac:

audi12 wrote: »

everyone knows that women have it so much easier than guys .. any guy that disagrees may be a model or gay i dont have a problem if anyone is gay, but it would explain why any male thinks it not harder to males to pull women than the other way around because if they are gay they would not have tried to pull women and experienced what us straight males have in this matter

I highlighted a small part of the above paragraph to say I'm neither a model nor gay, but then I decided the whole paragraph was a load of bollocks and shows up just how clueless you are tbh!

I'd also appreciate as a straight male that you didn't include me in your "us straight males" blueball support group.

Femme_Fatale

It does men a disservice to say they'd all have sex with any woman whatsoever, even if they find her very unattractive physically and personality-wise; they're not all that incapable of controlling the contents of their trousers.
And even in the cases when it happens, big woop - a shag and the fella sobers up and runs a mile; might as well not have happened.

And the claim of lads who are models screwing women they don't fancy in the slightest... obviously utter nonsense.

It's true that it's easier for plainer/shyer women to get sex, but no need for using ridiculous extremes to argue that point. And certainly no need for resentment towards women because of it.

ALiasEX

Czarcasm wrote: »

Why are you even bringing race into a discussion about a behaviour? Race has nothing to do with anything here! We ALL judge people by their actions. Yes, even you do it too, whether negative judgement or positive judgement, you can't help yourself, because it's instinctual.

Racism on the other hand, is an irrational state of mind. One can hold the opinion that a person's behaviour is morally or mentally questionable, it still doesn't equate to racism.




What about nymphomania? It's a behaviour. Behaviours are something you can change. You can't change the color of your skin, and trying to like Michael Jackson, well that's just irrational thinking that led to his behaviour, which was to endeavour to look more like Diana Ross as a tribute to her, then he went that one step too far and claimed his bleached skin was the result of vitiligo, the very same as a promiscuous person will try and use nymphomania to explain away their behaviour - it simply shows they have no understanding of the condition or the disorder.

For ****s sake, Michael had vitiligo and his eldest son appears to have it.

Czarcasm

ALiasEX wrote: »

For ****s sake, Michael had vitiligo and his eldest son appears to have it.

Vitiligo leaves you with PATCHY skin. Jackson was whiter all over than the milky bar kid for christ sake, and had more plastic in his body than a GI Joe action figure.

Pug160

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It does men a disservice to say they'd all have sex with any woman whatsoever, even if they find her very unattractive physically and personality-wise; they're not all that incapable of controlling the contents of their trousers.
And even in the cases when it happens, big woop - a shag and the fella sobers up and runs a mile; might as well not have happened.

And the claim of lads who are models screwing women they don't fancy in the slightest... obviously utter nonsense.

As I said previously, that's not what is being discussed. The thread is very long though, and it went off topic anyway, so maybe you didn't read through it.

Decent enough looking men - if they're socially awkward enough - are more likely to be rejected on the basis of their social skills than a decent looking woman would be. That's what I firmly believe, as do others. And Czarcasm, even some of the respected posters like Wibbs have said the same. These views are not all held by bitter men but perhaps some bitter men are hijacking the discussion - I don't know.

This thread has probably run its course anyway, and the mods should show mercy and lock it, as its integrity (if it ever had any) has long gone.

ALiasEX

Czarcasm wrote: »

Vitiligo leaves you with PATCHY skin. Jackson was whiter all over than the milky bar kid for christ sake, and had more plastic in his body than a GI Joe action figure.

He used brown makeup until the vitiligo got so bad he changed to white makeup.

Here's your patchy skin

Czarcasm

Pug160 wrote: »

As I said previously, that's not what is being discussed. The thread is very long though, and it went off topic anyway, so maybe you didn't read through it.

Decent enough looking men - if they're socially awkward enough - are more likely to be rejected on the basis of their social skills than a decent looking woman would be. That's what I firmly believe, as do others. And Czarcasm, even some of the respected posters like Wibbs have said the same. These views are not all held by bitter men but perhaps some bitter men are hijacking the discussion - I don't know.

This thread has probably run its course anyway, and the mods should show mercy and lock it, as its integrity (if it ever had any) has long gone.

And what about decent looking women if they're socially awkward enough? Or do they not figure in your assessment of a like for like comparison at all?

As for your assertion that Wibbs backs up your assessment, well it would hardly be the first time I've disagreed with Wibbs, but at least he has the maturity not to descend into assuming people who don't agree with him are deluded.

Singularity 1

Pug160 wrote: »

As I said previously, that's not what is being discussed. The thread is very long though, and it went off topic anyway, so maybe you didn't read through it.

Decent enough looking men - if they're socially awkward enough - are more likely to be rejected on the basis of their social skills than a decent looking woman would be. That's what I firmly believe, as do others. And Czarcasm, even some of the respected posters like Wibbs have said the same. These views are not all held by bitter men but perhaps some bitter men are hijacking the discussion - I don't know.

This thread has probably run its course anyway, and the mods should show mercy and lock it, as its integrity (if it ever had any) has long gone.

Yeah why is it that if a man has an opinion about women that they don't agree with, then he is somehow bitter towards them? It's a bit stupid really and I rarely see this in reverse. It's not anti-women just to talk about women.

And I don't see much of this slut shaming IRL either tbh. As far as I can see its much more acceptable to be promiscuous nowadays.

Table Top Joe

Women can pull far easier than men can....Jesus Christ this isnt rocket science lads

Micky Dolenz

Table Top Joe wrote: »

Women can pull far easier than men can....Jesus Christ this isnt rocket science lads

You sure about that?

This kind of thinking is part of the problem.

Czarcasm

ALiasEX wrote: »

He used brown makeup until the vitiligo got so bad he changed to white makeup.

Here's your patchy skin

If I'm not mistaken, that's a still shot from the making of his video for "Earth Song", where he spent half the video rolling around in dirt.

To pull this somewhat back on topic though, there was a fellow who has more money than sense, and yet still had no luck with women, throws the whole "all women are shallow" nonsense that was posted earlier out of the water.

Table Top Joe

This is basic stuff in fairness,my 33 years in Ireland(and a few other places but lets stick to Ireland)tell me so....

Pug160

Czarcasm wrote: »

And what about decent looking women if they're socially awkward enough? Or do they not figure in your assessment of a like for like comparison at all?

As for your assertion that Wibbs backs up your assessment, well it would hardly be the first time I've disagreed with Wibbs, but at least he has the maturity not to descend into assuming people who don't agree with him are deluded.

It doesn't matter so much - they will still be approached anyway and will have more opportunities. You're assuming that I'm chucking rocks at women but I have stated before that there are logical reasons why humans do what they do. Men are generally physically stronger than women and have no fear - even if the woman is a bit strange, whereas women are supposed to filter out men who could potentially be dangerous. That's one logical explanation right there. What's the big deal?

I don't usually describe people as deluded but this is a topic where I feel the overwhelming majority of people would agree with me, although perhaps not on this site. It's not an attack on women. You are not a White Knight, you are a Jack Russell who won't let go of a stick. And you are doing it because you feel women are being attacked unfairly but this is simply a misunderstanding.

ALiasEX

Czarcasm wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken, that's a still shot from the making of his video for "Earth Song", where he spent half the video rolling around in dirt.

To pull this somewhat back on topic though, there was a fellow who has more money than sense, and yet still had no luck with women, throws the whole "all women are shallow" nonsense that was posted earlier out of the water.

It was for the song They Don't Care About Us

Table Top Joe

How anyone can argue theres a level playing field between the sexes when it comes to getting sex is beyond me.....i just deleted the rest of what i wrote,not worth the bother,just wanted to throw my hat in with the "women can pull far easier than men" crowd,this argument is ridiculous

Czarcasm

Pug160 wrote: »

It doesn't matter so much - they will still be approached anyway and will have more opportunities. You're assuming that I'm chucking rocks at women but I have stated before that there are logical reasons why humans do what they do. Men are generally physically stronger than women and have no fear - even if the woman is a bit strange, whereas women are supposed to filter out men who could potentially be dangerous. That's one logical explanation right there. What's the big deal?

So one minute you're arguing the case for men that are socially awkward, then you're arguing the case that men have no fear and that it's women are looking for something to fear from men?

HOW is there any sort of logic in that explanation for why it's easier for women to get men or that it's harder for men to get women?

Makes NO sense whatsoever tbh.

I don't usually describe people as deluded but this is a topic where I feel the overwhelming majority of people would agree with me, although perhaps not on this site. It's not an attack on women. You are not a White Knight, you are a Jack Russell who won't let go of a stick. And you are doing it because you feel women are being attacked unfairly but this is simply a misunderstanding.

Three or four people agreeing with you is by no means an "overwhelming majority" when you choose to ignore an equal amount of people who disagree with you.

audi12

i dont think there is a single person on this earth that would disagree with the fact that women can pull easier of course they bloody can even ugly girls can ..sickening for us males thats how it is do i just joined however i am delighted to see there are some intelligent people on this forum i think i will stay ..........women have all the power and it shows when you try to have a chat with them on a night out

Micky Dolenz

We are done here.

Circular argument is circler.