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LOI in Europe 2013

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  • #402
    NufcNavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭NufcNavan


    Lars1916 wrote: »
    They are much better promoted domestically, I suppose.
    That's true, but there needs to be an appetite there in the first place for a high standard of domestic football that is non existent in Ireland.


  • #403
    Lawrence1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    NufcNavan wrote: »
    That's true, but there needs to be an appetite there in the first place for a high standard of domestic football that is non existent in Ireland.

    But then you might find players, who don't bother to play decent football in front of a few hundred souls...


  • #404
    NufcNavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭NufcNavan


    Lars1916 wrote: »
    But then you might find players, who don't bother to play decent football in front of a few hundred souls...
    Ah, thought you knew what you were talking about there for a second. Never mind.


  • #405
    Lawrence1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    NufcNavan wrote: »
    Ah, thought you knew what you were talking about there for a second. Never mind.

    I put it into different words then...

    You were talking about an appetite for a high standard of domestic football. Did you not mean supporters with that, who want to see a decent match?


  • #406
    NufcNavan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭NufcNavan


    Lars1916 wrote: »
    I put it into different words then...

    You were talking about an appetite for a high standard of domestic football. Did you not mean supporters with that, who want to see a decent match?
    So are you saying that LOI fans don't know their football?


  • #407
    Lawrence1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    NufcNavan wrote: »
    So are you saying that LOI fans don't know their football?

    No, I'm only saying, that the attendances at the matches are a bit disappointing.


  • #408
    djpbarry
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    Lars1916 wrote: »
    No, I'm only saying, that the attendances at the matches are a bit disappointing.
    Which has a negative feedback effect. People see that the games are poorly attended in poor stadia, assume that this is a reflection of the standard, and then think "why would I want to pay money to see that?". Especially when the UK is used as a barometer - attendances and the standard of stadia are generally lower in Ireland than anything in the football league here in England.

    And I think you're right that this undoubtedly influences players too. For example, playing here...

    rotherham-new-york-stadium.jpg

    ...in front of seven or eight thousand every week is going to be far more appealing than playing at Richmond or United Park, for example.


  • #409
    losthorizon
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    Zalgiris won again tonight against a Polish team.

    I know people lose interest after they have played the Irish team but they have really done well so far in Europe and havent lost a game or even drawn a game (I think) this season. It puts Pats performance in perspective.


  • #410
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    To be honest I think too much is talked about whether the league is stronger or weaker based on European results. LOI teams have beaten european teams in Europe before but the league itself at the time wouldn't have been all that great. I think it's just become a throwaway thing to say.


  • #411
    dreamers75
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    losthorizon wrote: »
    Zalgiris won again tonight against a Polish team.

    I know people lose interest after they have played the Irish team but they have really done well so far in Europe and havent lost a game or even drawn a game (I think) this season. It puts Pats performance in perspective.

    We drew 2-2 over there, in hindsight worst possible result considering we should have won but sat back.

    Loads of teams we beat playing this week, Siroki beaten by Udinese, Elfsborg somehow beaten by Celtic, Shaktar on the way to final CL play off spot, Rijeka. beat someone


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  • #412
    losthorizon
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    sorry, forgot it was a draw


  • #413
    losthorizon
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    Corholio wrote: »
    To be honest I think too much is talked about whether the league is stronger or weaker based on European results. LOI teams have beaten european teams in Europe before but the league itself at the time wouldn't have been all that great. I think it's just become a throwaway thing to say.

    TBH Really I think you can speculate all you want about how strong the league is but the only way we have of gauging our teams capabilities is in Europe. Thats it. You obviously cant base it on one season. UEFA themselves do it on 5 seasons together which is fair enough I think.


    TBH I think there has been a drop in standard of the league in the last few seasons. It might have something to do with the recession - I dont know.


  • #414
    Corholio
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    losthorizon wrote: »
    TBH Really I think you can speculate all you want about how strong the league is but the only way we have of gauging our teams capabilities is in Europe. Thats it. You obviously cant base it on one season. UEFA themselves do it on 5 seasons together which is fair enough I think.


    TBH I think there has been a drop in standard of the league in the last few seasons. It might have something to do with the recession - I dont know.

    The only way? Surely the actual draw might be a small factor too. I just think different seasons are relative. People who go to games a lot can make up their own minds about how strong the league is themselves.


  • #415
    losthorizon
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    Corholio wrote: »
    The only way? Surely the actual draw might be a small factor too. I just think different seasons are relative. People who go to games a lot can make up their own minds about how strong the league is themselves.

    Of course the draw is hugely relevant but over 5 years you are going to get an evening out of luck. I agree this year was very difficult. I mentioned it a few times previously in my posts.


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