Squats the Story MkII- Off topic thread

JJayoo

Use the trap bar for farmers walks

Mellor

Hanley wrote: »

THere's no standard. And you'd be doing exceptionally well to pick up 1/2 your max DL per hand with both sides unstable and wobbly.

Just aim for bodyweight per hand, and use %s of that as our marker.

50% x20m
75% x20m
90% x20m
100% x20m
100%+ x20m

That was my initial presumption, that max above max carry is going to fall short of max deadlift, for all the obvious reasons. But as I was googling a lot of people had a farmers pick up (not walk) that turns ut greater than their deadlift. It's sounded like a contradiction. But the consensus was that depending on the way its set up, the farmer's is pulling from a more upright and often higher position. Like a trap bar, and the difference between the low and high handles.

JJayoo wrote: »

Use the trap bar for farmers walks

My gym has these;
http://www.ironedge.com.au/farmers-walk-handles
Lifting position is pretty similar to trapbar deadlift

the groutch

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

when I weighed myself last night and I was 92.4kg the heaviest I've ever been.
Great I thought, surely I won't lose that much overnight. Wrong, 3kg lighter by this morning.

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Dtp1979

the groutch wrote: »

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If youre having a 3kg dump I'd seriously consider looking at your diet

dinorebel

Dtp1979 wrote: »

If youre having a 3kg dump I'd seriously consider looking at your diet

Followed by contacting the Guinness Book Of Records

There is 30% off everything on bulkpowders today

JJayoo

bluewolf wrote: »

There is 30% off everything on bulkpowders today

Exactly what I needed

Hanley

JJayoo wrote: »

Exactly what I needed

Everything?

Zillah

Hanley wrote: »

Everything?

everything

Caliden

At what point did other people's grip start to become a factor when deadlifting (using double overhand)?

Up to recently I've neglected any sort of grip strength accessory but I've started farmers walks and got sore in muscles I didn't know I had.

My gym has several fat bars for different things (cable row, lat pull down, standard fat bar), would it be worth my while using this when I can?

Blacktie.

Caliden wrote: »

At what point did other people's grip start to become a factor when deadlifting (using double overhand)?

Up to recently I've neglected any sort of grip strength accessory but I've started farmers walks and got sore in muscles I didn't know I had.

My gym has several fat bars for different things (cable row, lat pull down, standard fat bar), would it be worth my while using this when I can?

I can't remember but I usually switch to mixed grip at around the 120kg mark.

Caliden

Blacktie. wrote: »

I can't remember but I usually switch to mixed grip at around the 120kg mark.

Yea at that point now and it's the last few reps that I'm struggling with.

No real interest in going with mixed grip so I may deload and try using hookgrip as I plan to start doing cleans in the next couple of months.

Mellor

Caliden wrote: »

At what point did other people's grip start to become a factor when deadlifting (using double overhand)?

Up to recently I've neglected any sort of grip strength accessory but I've started farmers walks and got sore in muscles I didn't know I had.

My gym has several fat bars for different things (cable row, lat pull down, standard fat bar), would it be worth my while using this when I can?

Are you trying to improve grip for deadlifting, or something else? Why not mixed grip?

I find deadlifting to be a pretty good grip exercise in itself. I tend to warm up with double overheads till last warmup set.

Mr. CooL ICE

I go double overhand until the last warmup set before working set, then just one warmup with alternate.

Hanley

Caliden wrote: »

At what point did other people's grip start to become a factor when deadlifting (using double overhand)?

Up to recently I've neglected any sort of grip strength accessory but I've started farmers walks and got sore in muscles I didn't know I had.

My gym has several fat bars for different things (cable row, lat pull down, standard fat bar), would it be worth my while using this when I can?

Double OH = 180-190
Mixed = 260-270

Big difference for me.

Fat bars etc aren't great for DL grip IME as they focus mostly on thumb/pinch strength.

There's 3 main kinds of grip strength;

Crushing (closing your hand against resistance)

Supporting (keeping it closed)

Pinch (thumb / open hand gripping)

Deadlifting is mostly supporting strength, and while there's gonna be some carry over, if you want to get better there it makes sense to train that.

So things like barbell holds at the end of workouts would be good. Load up to 60-80% of max DL, hold for 3 sets of 30s. Increase weight and drop 5s each week until you're holding something mad heavy for 3 sets of approx 10s.

bluewolf

bluewolf wrote: »

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I ended up ordering acetyl l carnitine in the sale for the craic
maybe it'll help me study :pac:

Brian?

bluewolf wrote: »

I ended up ordering acetyl l carnitine in the sale for the craic
maybe it'll help me study :pac:

Good luck drinking it iff it's anything like this stuff :
https://www.powerbar.eu/en/products/l-carnitin-liquid

Vomited into a ditch thanks to that.

It's pretty mank. Mixed it in with strong lemon and lime creatine after the first go round. I'll see how it goes and if i feel any better

Brian?

bluewolf wrote: »

It's pretty mank. Mixed it in with strong lemon and lime creatine after the first go round. I'll see how it goes and if i feel any better

That sounds horrific. Creatine seriously upsets my stomach on its own.

JJayoo

Thanks to Bluewolf I ended up getting some bulkpowers crunchy peanut butter 30%/off

Nicest peanut butter I have ever had.

TheSegal

Took up BJJ a while ago, doing strength training over the years is almost like a curse in it cause i'm just powering through movements when i'm losing and not using proper technique Hoping when I get somewhat decent and co-ordinated (have less balance than a blind geriatric on a tightrope) that the strength will help somewhat!

Anyone else here experience the same thing when starting BJJ after strength training over a few years?

Hanley

TheSegal wrote: »

Took up BJJ a while ago, doing strength training over the years is almost like a curse in it cause i'm just powering through movements when i'm losing and not using proper technique Hoping when I get somewhat decent and co-ordinated (have less balance than a blind geriatric on a tightrope) that the strength will help somewhat!

Anyone else here experience the same thing when starting BJJ after strength training over a few years?

hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha

yes.

Mellor

TheSegal wrote: »

Took up BJJ a while ago, doing strength training over the years is almost like a curse in it cause i'm just powering through movements when i'm losing and not using proper technique Hoping when I get somewhat decent and co-ordinated (have less balance than a blind geriatric on a tightrope) that the strength will help somewhat!

Anyone else here experience the same thing when starting BJJ after strength training over a few years?

It's not strength training that doing that, it's simply not know what to do. Everyone tries to do it, even if they lack strength- they succeed less though.
It's just more noticable with a strength base as you are probably getting away with it verses the other new guys who don't know what to do. (Any they prob complain about it).

A good solution is to roll with other people equally as strong, it significantly better.

TheSegal

Mellor wrote: »

A good solution is to roll with other people equally as strong, it significantly better.

I usually try to roll with the bigger, stronger guys at training mainly cause it's way more fun and i'm trying to force myself to use technique, i'm a short arse at 5'7". It seems to be working cause i'm getting better at using my hips and positioning myself to escape from mounts. Only problem is when I do get mount I usually get sent flying!

Have to say it's easily the most fun i've had in a sport though and would recommend it to anyone, only doing no-gi at the moment but looking forward to gi. One hour of training BJJ leaves me absolutely exhausted compared to hurling or Muay Thai!

Dtp1979

JJayoo wrote: »

Nicest peanut butter I have ever had.

Don't know if youve tried cashew butter but for me, it's miles ahead

deadlybuzzman

TheSegal wrote: »

Took up BJJ a while ago, doing strength training over the years is almost like a curse in it cause i'm just powering through movements when i'm losing and not using proper technique Hoping when I get somewhat decent and co-ordinated (have less balance than a blind geriatric on a tightrope) that the strength will help somewhat!

Anyone else here experience the same thing when starting BJJ after strength training over a few years?

Way way back in the day in my 2nd or 3rd week of BJJ I was rolling with a guy that was using me as a submission dummy while he was being coached but I was being told nothing.
He pulls me into guard, I get off my knees and onto my feet and lift him slightly trying to get him to slide off
His buddy says don't hold on and he asks why just as I fling him up to about chest height and slam him down onto the mat. "That's why" says the friend.
I was always crap but I was always thinking

Mellor

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

Way way back in the day in my 2nd or 3rd week of BJJ I was rolling with a guy that was using me as a submission dummy while he was being coached but I was being told nothing.
He pulls me into guard, I get off my knees and onto my feet and lift him slightly trying to get him to slide off
His buddy says don't hold on and he asks why just as I fling him up to about chest height and slam him down onto the mat. "That's why" says the friend.
I was always crap but I was always thinking

Lol
His mate was the brains of the operation then

jive

I train ufc so I know what you mean lol

arayess

next week is greek week in lidl
lovely food says me

their greek yogurt is really nice (imo) and cheap it's not fat free but I pity anybody who limits their choice to fat free

Precious flower

Brian? wrote: »

That sounds horrific. Creatine seriously upsets my stomach on its own.

I know this is not the same thing, but I find protein bars (or the ones I've tasted so far) upset my stomach for whatever reason.

I think some of them have that fake sugar syrup stuff isnt it? I don't have em anymore but they did that to me yeah

Precious flower

bluewolf wrote: »

I think some of them have that fake sugar syrup stuff isnt it? I don't have em anymore but they did that to me yeah

I was wondering if I was the only one. I can't seem to tolerate them, it could be due to that.

caviardreams

Precious flower wrote: »

I was wondering if I was the only one. I can't seem to tolerate them, it could be due to that.

Polyols I'd say - a lot of protein bars have them.

Creatine also upsets my stomach if I have it in a shake etc. The only way I can tolerate it is to mix it with hot water so it dissolves better.

Alf Veedersane

Mint chic protein makes me feel ill.

I think its down to the presence of the f*cking disgusting taste.

Precious flower

I never got the hype about protein bars especially Quest ones. Even heated they tasted chalky to me. People go on about them as if they are the best thing they ever ate (maybe I'm eating/heating them wrong). Cliff bars were a little better (unheated) but they still upset my stomach. I just stay away from them now, not worth the hassle even if they are quick.

caviardreams

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Mint chic protein makes me feel ill.

I think its down to the presence of the f*cking disgusting taste.

Don't get mint choc anything - it's like eating chocolate after brushing your teeth or sth :eek:

As an aside tried the Bulkpowders White Chocolate whey for the first time today - a little disappointed after rocking through Chocolate Peanut, Chocolate Cookies, Vanilla & Toffee Popcorn which were all fantastic. Maybe I'll keep it for baking with...

MightyMandarin

Precious flower wrote: »

I never got the hype about protein bars especially Quest ones. Even heated they tasted chalky to me. People go on about them as if they are the best thing they ever ate (maybe I'm eating/heating them wrong). Cliff bars were a little better (unheated) but they still upset my stomach. I just stay away from them now, not worth the hassle even if they are quick.

If they weren't ridiculously expensive I'd be buying them everyday. Don't know about Quest bars as I've never seen them on offer, but Maximuscle or Powerbar protein bars were gorgeous.

I only get them the odd time when they're going for €1-2 in holland and barrett though. They go great with some tea.

Dtp1979

caviardreams wrote: »

Polyols I'd say - a lot of protein bars have them.

Creatine also upsets my stomach if I have it in a shake etc. The only way I can tolerate it is to mix it with hot water so it dissolves better.

So your basically having creatine tea ?

Pro elite do a creatine that disolves very well in cold water

Alf Veedersane

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Mint chic protein makes me feel ill.

I think its down to the presence of the f*cking disgusting taste.

I got choc orange and tried it there last night. Bit sweet for me and i love terrys choc orange...

caviardreams

Dtp1979 wrote: »

So your basically having creatine tea ?

Pro elite do a creatine that disolves very well in cold water

Yeah, pretty much (though I do actually mix it in with a cinnamon tea bag too ). Maybe I should start selling it as a new product

EmcD123

Does the mint choc protein taste anything like the mint chocolate mooju?
If it does im buying it next time

Alf Veedersane

EmcD123 wrote: »

Does the mint choc protein taste anything like the mint chocolate mooju?
If it does im buying it next time

Remember Mr Soft from the Softmints ads?

It tastes like he took a dump in your mouth after a night on the Guinness.

Enjoy.

Zombienosh

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Remember Mr Soft from the Softmints ads?

It tastes like he took a dump in your mouth after a night on the Guinness.

Enjoy.

Thanks for that....mental image.

laoch na mona

lenny and larrys are nice enough, so are quest peanut butter cups

EmcD123

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Remember Mr Soft from the Softmints ads?

It tastes like he took a dump in your mouth after a night on the Guinness.

Enjoy.

Had to google him, that ad looks super ancient:o

Alf Veedersane

EmcD123 wrote: »

Had to google him, that ad looks super ancient:o

I'm super ancient.

Mr. CooL ICE

So am I, apparently

EmcD123

Lifting question here

Lately I've noticed my front squat is getting really close to my back squat, like they're only about 10kg apart now and my front squat is still progressing faster. I dont actually know anyone with a ratio like that, is this something that happens? or does it mean im sucking at back squats?

Alf Veedersane

EmcD123 wrote: »

Lifting question here

Lately I've noticed my front squat is getting really close to my back squat, like they're only about 10kg apart now and my front squat is still progressing faster. I dont actually know anyone with a ratio like that, is this something that happens? or does it mean im sucking at back squats?

Your front squat max would be of the order of 90% of your high bar back squat max. You're in that ball park.

Hanley

EmcD123 wrote: »

Lifting question here

Lately I've noticed my front squat is getting really close to my back squat, like they're only about 10kg apart now and my front squat is still progressing faster. I dont actually know anyone with a ratio like that, is this something that happens? or does it mean im sucking at back squats?

If you front squat 90kg and back squat 100kg, that's about right.

If you front squat 140kg and back squt 150kg... that's not right.

It's probably just because you're doing more front squats tho - or they're a newwer movement.

What are the numbers out of interest?