Squats the Story MkII- Off topic thread

ThinkProgress

EmcD123 wrote: »

The chinese weightlifting nationals are serious this year, from what I can see theres been at least one unofficial world record made in every weight class,its crazy.

And here's Tian Tao unofficially breaking a clean and jerk record that was set in 1998 by 2kg, love this guys technique

@0:22 in the vid, am I the only person that hears the commentator say "f*ck me!" ?? lol

Must be an internationally recognised response to watching amazing sh*t... No translation required. :P

nobbo

Mellor wrote: »

Very easy with the right equipment. Not something you can do at home, could maybe post it to a lab

Sweet. I'll get someone I know in college to bring it into the lab and do some science-y stuff with it.

Just have always been curious to how 'free' companies have been when advertising protein content vs what's actually in it.

papu

nobbo wrote: »

Sweet. I'll get someone I know in college to bring it into the lab and do some science-y stuff with it.

Just have always been curious to how 'free' companies have been when advertising protein content vs what's actually in it.

What you want is something like this.
http://www.bio-rad.com/en-ie/product/bradford-protein-assay

Might be hard to get though if you're not affiliated with some lab. They are cheap though , 1000 assays for about $28.

Mellor

nobbo wrote: »

Sweet. I'll get someone I know in college to bring it into the lab and do some science-y stuff with it.

Just have always been curious to how 'free' companies have been when advertising protein content vs what's actually in it.

It's worth noting that the numbers quoted are probably on a dry basis.
So if something is listing at 78% protein, that's the dry value. Protein is probably hygroscopic, so 100g of powder sitting air will take on a bit of moisture. Then if it takes on a 5% moisture, those 78g are now less than 75%.

It's not misleading to quote the dry basis, as long as the 1kg in the tub is 1kg on a dry basis.

_Tombstone_

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poOQVOLjAFk

Hotel I'm staying in this weekend confirmed they've no squat rack or bench...sad face

Alf Veedersane

bluewolf wrote: »

Hotel I'm staying in this weekend confirmed they've no squat rack or bench...sad face

Did you check their cancellation policy?

caviardreams

bluewolf wrote: »

Hotel I'm staying in this weekend confirmed they've no squat rack or bench...sad face

On the bright side, more time to focus on dem curlz wha??

caviardreams

caviardreams wrote: »

On the bright side, more time to focus on dem curlz wha??

How can i curl without a squat rack :eek:

just double OH 360kg DL for 2 reps nothing to see here

https://www.instagram.com/p/BELwlReDm9d/

The_Kew_Tour

I DL 140kg today and am thinking "not bad Kew, getting stronger bro" then I see Video above and I realise I'm weak bastard.:pac:

Mellor

bluewolf wrote: »

just double OH 360kg DL for 2 reps nothing to see here

Massive pull but it wasn't double overhand. It's a hook grip.

I congratulate myself when i manage to hookgrip 70

EmcD123

bluewolf wrote: »

I congratulate myself when i manage to hookgrip 70

I've found hook grip to be the most natural and comfortable way to grip the bar,its awesome, people make it sound so hard.

Mellor

EmcD123 wrote: »

I've found hook grip to be the most natural and comfortable way to grip the bar,its awesome, people make it sound so hard.

I feel like I'm going to lose fingernails anytime I try it out. I could maybe get used to it, but I don't see the benefit in investing lots of discomfort to get there.

LuckyLloyd

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I DL 140kg today and am thinking "not bad Kew, getting stronger bro" then I see Video above and I realise I'm weak bastard.:pac:

It's all relative buddy and there will always be someone stronger than you out there!! Your achievements take your work and effort, so always worth celebrating.

EmcD123

Mellor wrote: »

I feel like I'm going to lose fingernails anytime I try it out. I could maybe get used to it, but I don't see the benefit in investing lots of discomfort to get there.

If youre doing to do olympic lifting its a pretty big thing. It helps with the turnover and it relaxes your arms muscles so they dont get overinvolved during the pull and extension,its really really hard to snatch without it.

Do you have small fingers? I know a few people who get that feeling with their fingernails and I dont really get it since it doesnt really touch your nail. Your finger should be on the bit of skin between the nail and the joint on the thumb not actually on the nail

dylbert

I think with hook grip some people make the mistake of wrapping their thumb around and under the bar so that all the weight is pressing down on the thumb, the thumb should be placed along side the back of the bar with the fingers wrapped around and kind of anchoring the thumb in place, if that make sense?

Mellor

EmcD123 wrote: »

If youre doing to do olympic lifting its a pretty big thing. It helps with the turnover and it relaxes your arms muscles so they dont get overinvolved during the pull and extension,its really really hard to snatch without it.

Do you have small fingers? I know a few people who get that feeling with their fingernails and I dont really get it since it doesnt really touch your nail. Your finger should be on the bit of skin between the nail and the joint on the thumb not actually on the nail

I meant in relation to deadlifts.


As you mentioned. I actually have that problem with my cleans, too "armsy". I've tried hook grip before, but found I was losing it between reps. I'll give it another go. Weigh is nowhere near deadlift load so shouldn't be uncomfortable.

I've never tried to snatch with hook grip. Maybe that's what holding all those kilos back

EmcD123

Mellor wrote: »

I meant in relation to deadlifts.


As you mentioned. I actually have that problem with my cleans, too "armsy". I've tried hook grip before, but found I was losing it between reps. I'll give it another go. Weigh is nowhere near deadlift load so shouldn't be uncomfortable.

I've never tried to snatch with hook grip. Maybe that's what holding all those kilos back

I can snatch only 50% of my max without hookgrip,but my grip is really weak.I usually struggle with opening and closing the clips on the bar

ectoraige

Mellor wrote: »

I've never tried to snatch with hook grip. Maybe that's what holding all those kilos back

Do you mean from the start, or that you don't keep maintain it once the bar is overhead? The only time I've heard of snatching without using hookgrip is in drills to practise the drop, or if doing high reps.

Mellor

ectoraige wrote: »

Do you mean from the start, or that you don't keep maintain it once the bar is overhead? The only time I've heard of snatching without using hookgrip is in drills to practise the drop, or if doing high reps.

No hookgrip at all. I don't think I've ever once used a hookgrip with a snatch grip.

To clarify, I've had zero oly coaching. None. Snatches are something I just started doing myself recently. And technique videos I've worked on has been to do with the timeing the second pull.

EmcD123 wrote: »

I can snatch only 50% of my max without hookgrip,but my grip is really weak.I usually struggle with opening and closing the clips on the bar

What's your max? And what can you snatch double overhand?
It would be amazing if this simple change could double my max snatch. But I'd be surprised if it adds anything, I don't think grip is a limiting factor.
Although it it helps me be less armsy, it might contribute over time

EmcD123

Mellor wrote: »

No hookgrip at all. I don't think I've ever once used a hookgrip with a snatch grip.

To clarify, I've had zero oly coaching. None. Snatches are something I just started doing myself recently. And technique videos I've worked on has been to do with the timeing the second pull.


What's your max? And what can you snatch double overhand?
It would be amazing if this simple change could double my max snatch. But I'd be surprised if it adds anything, I don't think grip is a limiting factor.
Although it it helps me be less armsy, it might contribute over time

I snatch 82, and my double overhand is 40 maybe 42 if I really try. It really helps for developing speed into the hip,keeps it more secure in your hands and this is anecdotal but I find it a lot easier to generate speed in the turnover with a hookgrip because the bar is just that bit more tight to your hand kinda like if you use straps.

ectoraige

Mellor wrote: »

No hookgrip at all. I don't think I've ever once used a hookgrip with a snatch grip.

To clarify, I've had zero oly coaching. None. Snatches are something I just started doing myself recently. And technique videos I've worked on has been to do with the timeing the second pull.

IANAOLYC... but the hookgrip really is a fundamental part of the olympic lifts. You have to remember the olympic lifts are not just a power movement, they are an athletic movement requiring control of the power you generate.

Think of the children's toy that consists of a ball on a piece of string attached to a cup. You have to pop the ball up and catch it in the cup. The first thing you do is fling the ball up into the air, then you position the cup underneath the ball to catch it. Your arms are the rope attached to the ball. Your thighs and hips are the muscles that toss the bar into the air, not your arms. In a sense, all your arms do is allow the energy to be transferred to the bar and guide the bar along a vertical path. If your arms are too tense they absorb more of the energy than they should, this is what happens when you use an overhand grip.

Using hook grip allows you to maximise the power of your big leg and hip muscles, while keeping your arms loose enough to allow you to drop underneath the bar. If you think it's not as strong, try deadhanging from a bar using different grips. It can put a lot of pressure on your thumb though which is why it's a good idea to use it even on the light lifts to build up tolerance to that.

Mellor

EmcD123 wrote: »

I snatch 82, and my double overhand is 40 maybe 42 if I really try. It really helps for developing speed into the hip,keeps it more secure in your hands and this is anecdotal but I find it a lot easier to generate speed in the turnover with a hookgrip because the bar is just that bit more tight to your hand kinda like if you use straps.

Best snatch is 55kg (double overhand). more a power snatch though. With the width of a snatch grip tends to benonly 3 fingers and thumb.

I tried a hook grip for cleans today. Definitely helped remove my arms from the movement. Which is an issue I've been having. I'm due to snatch 50kg for a double tomorrow, suppose I better I'll try out the hook grip.

DylanJM

ectoraige wrote: »

You have to remember the olympic lifts are not a power movement, they are an athletic movement.

Not sure I would agree with that. They do require athleticism but also have a large power component as well. There is a lot more power generated during a snatch/clean than a deadlift for example.

ectoraige

DylanJM wrote: »

Not sure I would agree with that. They do require athleticism but also have a large power component as well. There is a lot more power generated during a snatch/clean than a deadlift for example.

Poorly phrased, you're dead right. Of course power is a component of it, I was trying to say it's not only about power, it's about how much force you can generate, and how you can control the force, in a non-Jedi sense.

I think sometimes the word 'pull' can be distracting, as it can be understood to emphasise pulling the bar up with your arms, instead of driving it up with your entire body.

Mellor

ectoraige wrote: »

IANAOLYC... but the hookgrip really is a fundamental part of the olympic lifts. You have to remember the olympic lifts are not a power movement, they are an athletic movement.

I'm not sure what your definition of "athletic movement" is but I'd definitely consider the Olympic lifts to be a display of power.
Work done/time taken = power.

The technical aspects you mention all makes sense. It's like trying to transfer as much energy into the bar as possible. Rather than bleeding energy everywhere (like I do)

(Edit: posted that before I seen your post above)

MightyMandarin

Personally I find no difference between hook-gripping or over-hand gripping my snatches as they're still ****e anyway...

I still hook-grip every rep I do just to get used to it, but my grip strength is decently good (can hold 140 double overhand for 30secs) and hook-gripping anything over 100 is quite painful.

Hanley

For anyone who thinks hook grip doesn't matter in weightlifting, you're prolly just not strong enough on the movement for it to be a limiting factor.

PS - tape over the middle portion of your thumb is a game changer when it comes to your thumbs not hurting

Mellor

Hanley wrote: »

For anyone who thinks hook grip doesn't matter in weightlifting,

I don't think anybody said it didn't matter in weightlifting.

I was talking about deadlifting. It's never felt comfortable. Mixed grip for me.
Will try out the thumb tape though. I tape my middle 3 finger a lot for jiu jitsu, helps grip a lot.

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rubadub wrote:

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Blacktie. wrote: »

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Hanley

MP always seem to offer increasingly aggressive offers at the ends of months for future reference. I wonder if their rapid scaling up has cash flow tight.

Alf Veedersane

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Caliden

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caviardreams

Bulk powders also doing a 25% off sale plus an extra 10% so 32.5% off in total if my maths are correct

Bp have a beef protein powder isolate
That's mad

Zombienosh

bluewolf wrote: »

Bp have a beef protein powder isolate
That's mad

I'd imagine it tastes like OXO cubes..:pac:

They have a chocolate flavour one
Lol

deadlybuzzman

Caliden wrote: »

33% off preworkout ingredients (and pre workouts). Going to mix myself up a diy batch

Whatever you do make sure you get something strong to flavour it. I did the same years back and it was really really cheap to knock something together with 4 or 5 of the main ingredients from most pre workouts but my god it was the most vile thing I've ever drank and I'll drink any old nasty muck.
It basically tasted like bile only worse

Alf Veedersane

bluewolf wrote: »

They have a chocolate flavour one
Lol

From the same cow that produces chocolate milk.


How now brown cow.

Caliden

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

Whatever you do make sure you get something strong to flavour it. I did the same years back and it was really really cheap to knock something together with 4 or 5 of the main ingredients from most pre workouts but my god it was the most vile thing I've ever drank and I'll drink any old nasty muck.
It basically tasted like bile only worse

Fruit punch flavoured citrulline malate enough or should I get the same flavour everything?

Alf Veedersane

Caliden wrote: »

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deadlybuzzman

Caliden wrote: »

Fruit punch flavoured citrulline malate enough or should I get the same flavour everything?

Ah ok they're already flavoured?! In that case you're sorted. Go crazy and make preworkout cocktails!

_Tombstone_

Protein supplements cause cancer.

Alf Veedersane

_Tombstone_ wrote: »

Protein supplements cause cancer.

What doesn't?