Squats the Story MkII- Off topic thread

Alf Veedersane

Smolov Junior gets gains so I can only imagine the full whack would get you gains. Hanley would appear to be the only one here that's gone through the full Smolov programme, if you want to check out his log.

conzy

725g of meat today :pac:



grow!

Blacktie.

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Interesting. Trying to look at a program for the new year and considering all options. I still consider myself as a beginner...I think this forum puts it into perspective, which I like. Not sure if SS or SL are suited. But the 'program' a mate showed me pairing muscle groups interests me. Have had a run at a few sessions on it and still feeling out what weights I should work at to get 3-4 sets at 8/10/15 reps but it's keeping me interested at least

Yeah I'm the same and my numbers are actually pretty decent. At the intermediate stage but always feeling like I should get stronger before hitting programs like GVT. I'm not even sure why it's like I have to have a 5 plate deadlift before working on size.

Hanley

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Smolov Junior gets gains so I can only imagine the full whack would get you gains. Hanley would appear to be the only one here that's gone through the full Smolov programme, if you want to check out his log.

Kev has too. What's the question?

amazingemmet

YFW this dog is more jacked then 99% of members here, screw that 100%

Zombienosh

Dogs on celltech

Can't stop rolling my ankle playing football.

Squatting Heavy & DLing without any discomfort, but kick a ball with the outside of my boot and ankle goes, spring too hard turning and ankle goes, heck, make a tackle and ankle goes.

Have done rest and recoup every time, but it's inevitable that it happens every single time.

Ideas? How to prevent? How to treat it better than RICE? How to activate ankle before playing etc?

Cheers

Theresalwaysone

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can't stop rolling my ankle playing football.

Squatting Heavy & DLing without any discomfort, but kick a ball with the outside of my boot and ankle goes, spring too hard turning and ankle goes, heck, make a tackle and ankle goes.

Have done rest and recoup every time, but it's inevitable that it happens every single time.

Ideas? How to prevent? How to treat it better than RICE? How to activate ankle before playing etc?

Cheers

It definitely doesnt help that you are utterly **** at football. :-)

Its an ankle mobility issue for sure. Work on that and it should stop happening. Ankle, Calf and Hammer drills.

I used to have the same problems but some drills for mobility seems to have sorted it.

Thats my 2c.

jugger0

Hanley wrote: »

Kev has too. What's the question?

Ive only done the mesocycle, starting the intense phase for the first time soon... what should i expect? it cant be tougher than the mesocycle surely..

Alf Veedersane

Deleted User wrote: »

Can't stop rolling my ankle playing football.

Squatting Heavy & DLing without any discomfort, but kick a ball with the outside of my boot and ankle goes, spring too hard turning and ankle goes, heck, make a tackle and ankle goes.

Have done rest and recoup every time, but it's inevitable that it happens every single time.

Ideas? How to prevent? How to treat it better than RICE? How to activate ankle before playing etc?

Cheers

Have you done any work on strengthening the ligaments at the ankle, especially on the lateral side? They're probably weak if you keep rolling it.

Alf Veedersane

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Have you done any work on strengthening the ligaments at the ankle, especially on the lateral side? They're probably weak if you keep rolling it.

nope, none at all. Not even sure I know of any exercise for it!

Alf Veedersane

Deleted User wrote: »

nope, none at all. Not even sure I know of any exercise for it!

The most basic one involves using a wobble board. Not sure what age you are but if you're 30ish, you'll remember those sound plastic discs with what always looked like a ball squished through the hole in the middle. Girls toy really but it's not dissimilar from a wobble board. You stand on it and try to balance yourself without letting the sides hit the ground. Try moving side to side and this will really help strengthen the ankle ligaments. A very basic version would be like a see-saw,with a half cylinder on the underside of a rectangular piece. The old man used something like that when he ripped the bejesus out of all his ankle ligaments years back and it helped big style.

thegreatiam

Not to be confused with:

Sangre

Trying to pick a programme for new year. At this stage 4x times a week but short enough training sessions would probably suit me best. WS4SB seems to the fit the bill. Any other thoughts?

conzy

Sangre wrote: »

Trying to pick a programme for new year. At this stage 4x times a week but short enough training sessions would probably suit me best. WS4SB seems to the fit the bill. Any other thoughts?

On WS4SB 3 a few weeks now and loving it. workouts typically take 50-65 minutes. the dynamic lower day is the quickest and the repetition upper day is the longest

Sangre

What exercises are you using for main lifts? Are you rotating every 3 weeks?

Casshern88

I did WS4SB 3 a few years back , i recommend it, I might even go back to it my self at some stage, did it for i think 8 - 10 weeks, at a stage when i was getting back into training, i though i got great strength gains from it added some decent muscle while staying lean as well.

amazingemmet

Sangre wrote: »

What exercises are you using for main lifts? Are you rotating every 3 weeks?

You don't need to rotate every three weeks, only when you fail to increase. No point stopping a lift if its still going up.

Sangre

I can follow that logic but won't that mean potentially going without squatting or deadlifting for several weeks?

Casshern88

I cant fully remember but i think with the lower body day i stuck with deadlifts the whole time, i was doing it because that was the main lift i wanted to get my numbers up on at the time, so ya i was doing little to no squatting during WS4SB

amazingemmet

Sangre wrote: »

I can follow that logic but won't that mean potentially going without squatting or deadlifting for several weeks?

Correct selection of the accessory exercises will help build your squat or dead in the meantime. For instance I might front squat for the main ME exercise then I'll romanian dead for the hip extension exercise. I know I've got a good carryover from romanians to my deadlift and the quad strength from the fronts will cover the off the floor section of the dead lift.

Brian?

Re: neglecting the other lift.

What Emmet said really. It's amazing whe you do a squat cycle and switch to DL and hit PR after PR without having trained DL in weeks.

I think I switched every 6 weeks.

amazingemmet

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Mr. Manager

When changing programs would you normally take time off in between?

My initial log was set out to do a cycle of phase 1 GVT, a cycle of phase 2 and then 1 more cycle of phase 1. Totalling 14 weeks.

I've been thinking it's best if I go back to 5x5 after completing phase 2.

Just wondering would people take time off, deload or what? I had to take 1 week off just now between phase 1 and 2 so not sure I'd need one but good to know for the future.

thegreatiam

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

When changing programs would you normally take time off in between?

My initial log was set out to do a cycle of phase 1 GVT, a cycle of phase 2 and then 1 more cycle of phase 1. Totalling 14 weeks.

I've been thinking it's best if I go back to 5x5 after completing phase 2.

Just wondering would people take time off, deload or what? I had to take 1 week off just now between phase 1 and 2 so not sure I'd need one but good to know for the future.

Are you switching to SL/SS 5x5 type program?
if so youll be starting at lower weights.
So if you feel up to it then begin now.

Mr. Manager

thegreatiam wrote: »

Are you switching to SL/SS 5x5 type program?

Plan on doing a SL 5x5 when I'm finished phase 2.

thegreatiam wrote: »

if so youll be starting at lower weights.

Lower weights than what exactly? I'm doing 60% of my 1RM at the moment with GVT. I don't mind dialling it back a little more if it means a good increase in strength over 12 weeks.

thegreatiam wrote: »

So if you feel up to it then begin now.

Why do you suggest that? I at least want to finish one complete cycle of GVT. I've only 3 weeks left.

thegreatiam

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

Plan on doing a SL 5x5 when I'm finished phase 2.


Lower weights than what exactly? I'm doing 60% of my 1RM at the moment with GVT. I don't mind dialling it back a little more if it means a good increase in strength over 12 weeks.

If you start too high then you'll plateau quicker as you you wont recover as well.

I think SS recommends hitting your current maximums at 5 weeks or so. SL will be similar.

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

Why do you suggest that? I at least want to finish one complete cycle of GVT. I've only 3 weeks left.

Thought you were done now.

Start your 5x5 after your current program. but take into account youll be taking time for christmas and new years. Id start after the hangover leaves

As long as you take a day or so you can move between the 2 programs, no bother.

edit
SS wiki says you aim to get your current 5 rep max in week 4-6, anythign from the SS wiki can apply to SL as it's the same thing pretty much.
http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ:The_Program#I.27m_an_experienced_lifter_and_I_already_know_my_5RM.27s_in_the_five_lifts._Can_I_use_that.3F

Mr. Manager

thegreatiam wrote: »

Start your 5x5 after your current program. but take into account youll be taking time for christmas and new years. Id start after the hangover leaves

As long as you take a day or so you can move between the 2 programs, no bother.

There won't be anything like that this year for me unfortunately. Can't get home for Christmas. Only have 1 day off and that's Christmas day which will be spent at Crossfit with the other foreigners

thegreatiam

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

There won't be anything like that this year for me unfortunately. Can't get home for Christmas. Only have 1 day off and that's Christmas day which will be spent at Crossfit with the other foreigners

no slacking then. get on it.

JJayoo

Where are you?

Alf Veedersane

JJayoo wrote: »

Where are you?

Think he said Malta previously. It'd make sense...it's common knowledge the Maltesers hate Christmas.

jive

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

When changing programs would you normally take time off in between?

My initial log was set out to do a cycle of phase 1 GVT, a cycle of phase 2 and then 1 more cycle of phase 1. Totalling 14 weeks.

I've been thinking it's best if I go back to 5x5 after completing phase 2.

Just wondering would people take time off, deload or what? I had to take 1 week off just now between phase 1 and 2 so not sure I'd need one but good to know for the future.

I take time off depending on how I feel. Just completed GVT and have only been doing mobility work for a few days. If you're feeling good then I would say go ahead and train but it's a good idea to recover properly after a programme like GVT which is fairly demanding.

Mr. Manager

JJayoo wrote: »

Where are you?

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Think he said Malta previously. It'd make sense...it's common knowledge the Maltesers hate Christmas.

Yup, stuck out on this little rock over Christmas. Won't be home till October

Guess the consensus is to crack on with SL 5x5 afterwards. Need to reassess my diet though as I'm kinda eating like a horse at the minute.

conzy

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

Need to reassess my diet though as I'm kinda eating like a horse at the minute.

DL Saint

Santa's Elves celebrating Liftmas...NSFW!

thegreatiam

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

Yup, stuck out on this little rock over Christmas. Won't be home till October

Guess the consensus is to crack on with SL 5x5 afterwards. Need to reassess my diet though as I'm kinda eating like a horse at the minute.

youll still be eating like a horse on SL.

Essien

thegreatiam wrote: »

youll still be eating like a horse on SL.

Is the diet on a strength program the same as a mass gaining program? Ie: eat $hit loads of stuff

thegreatiam

Essien wrote: »

Is the diet on a strength program the same as a mass gaining program? Ie: eat $hit loads of stuff

pretty much, you still get bigger on a strength, just not as much as a hypertrophy program.

although you can cut it's just easier to eat and bust through plateaus like that.

cletus van damme

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Think he said Malta previously. It'd make sense...it's common knowledge the Maltesers hate Christmas.

why so - they're mostly a catholic nation?
been at a few religious festivals there myself , it seemed more catholic that ireland.

Mr. Manager

thegreatiam wrote: »

youll still be eating like a horse on SL.

God dammit. It's tough eating so much But I'm going to loosen up on what I eat to get more into me.

cletus van damme wrote: »

why so - they're mostly a catholic nation?
been at a few religious festivals there myself , it seemed more catholic that ireland.

Yea they're super religious and so they're more geared towards the holy/jesus/god side of Christmas instead of gifts, santa and reindeers.

Alf Veedersane

cletus van damme wrote: »

why so - they're mostly a catholic nation?
been at a few religious festivals there myself , it seemed more catholic that ireland.

Ezekiel 25:18 - "I wasn't being entirely serious, Ted".

Alf Veedersane

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

Yea they're super religious and so they're more geared towards the holy/jesus/god side of Christmas instead of gifts, santa and reindeers.

Buzzkill!

Mr. Manager

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Buzzkill!

I'm not complaining. They've traded all that stuff for some sun.

Last Christmas I was at the beach

thegreatiam

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

God dammit. It's tough eating so much But I'm going to loosen up on what I eat to get more into me.

milk is a good option. most skinny fellas can drink enough milk to swell up.

But tbh I wouldn't be too fussed about it.

Just make sure you get your protein daily.
lift with the program.
when you fail at a weight increase your diet and get your rest in.

Alf Veedersane

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

I'm not complaining. They've traded all that stuff for some sun.

Last Christmas I was at the beach

Then back to work the next day?

thegreatiam

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Then back to work the next day?

like opposite santa

Mr. Manager

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Then back to work the next day?

Last year I was off a few days around Xmas. This year though I used all my annual leave before May! So yea, 1 day off, Wednesday

On the milk suggestion, I only drink half a litre a day. I mix 500ml with about 60g of porridge - it's really runny but it's a god way to get both into me.

thegreatiam

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

Last year I was off a few days around Xmas. This year though I used all my annual leave before May! So yea, 1 day off, Wednesday

On the milk suggestion, I only drink half a litre a day. I mix 500ml with about 60g of porridge - it's really runny but it's a god way to get both into me.

google GOMAD, gallon of milk a day.
the idea being is that it has a decent amount of protein, is easy to consume in large amounts and contains a growth hormone.

so if youre struggling to eat, neck a pint of milk at every meal and youll pile weight on. Its not the cleanest diet, but probably the easiest.

Sangre

I've had problems with my overhead press for a long time and I've haven't trained it for at least 18months (probably more). My problem was that whenever my muscles fatigued my left shoulder would come forward and create an imbalanced lifting platform. I always thought this was due to scapular imbalance and poor scap control. However, try as I might I couldn't address the issue so just left the overhead pressing completely.

Lately I've been working to loosen my overhead shoulder mobility with band work before my work outs. Seems to make a big difference in overhead pressing movements so my problem might have been impaired mobility all along which would become exacerbated as muscles fatigues.

Just an fyi if anyone else is having similiar issues.

cletus van damme

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Ezekiel 25:18 - "I wasn't being entirely serious, Ted".

but i was.
and now I am enlightened.