Squats the Story MkII- Off topic thread

Alf Veedersane

Sangre wrote: »

I've had problems with my overhead press for a long time and I've haven't trained it for at least 18months (probably more). My problem was that whenever my muscles fatigued my left shoulder would come forward and create an imbalanced lifting platform. I always thought this was due to scapular imbalance and poor scap control. However, try as I might I couldn't address the issue so just left the overhead pressing completely.

Lately I've been working to loosen my overhead shoulder mobility with band work before my work outs. Seems to make a big difference in overhead pressing movements so my problem might have been impaired mobility all along which would become exacerbated as muscles fatigues.

Just an fyi if anyone else is having similiar issues.

Some Bradford Pressing with the bar (to start with) helps as well, I find. Strengthens the rotator cuff, which is key for the shoulder's mobility and stability, and helps with shoulder flexibility.

Hanley

Sangre wrote: »

I've had problems with my overhead press for a long time and I've haven't trained it for at least 18months (probably more). My problem was that whenever my muscles fatigued my left shoulder would come forward and create an imbalanced lifting platform. I always thought this was due to scapular imbalance and poor scap control. However, try as I might I couldn't address the issue so just left the overhead pressing completely.

Lately I've been working to loosen my overhead shoulder mobility with band work before my work outs. Seems to make a big difference in overhead pressing movements so my problem might have been impaired mobility all along which would become exacerbated as muscles fatigues.

Just an fyi if anyone else is having similiar issues.

Depending on what sort of band work you're doing, you may just be firing up your scapular stabilisers. Which is why you probably have better control later in the movement...?

Sangre

Hanley wrote: »

Depending on what sort of band work you're doing, you may just be firing up your scapular stabilisers. Which is why you probably have better control later in the movement...?

Band Dislocates
Behind the neck (band starts over heard and lowered behind head until around shoulder blades - don't know movement)
Band pull apart variations (parallel to ground; slightly angled downwards)

Also do scap work: pull-ups, push-ups, OHP on chest days.

I don't think I have better control later in movement? When issue presents, it causes my left shoulder to completely come forward as I'm trying to press.

JJayoo

One thing I have noticed with BB OH press is that as I progress through the reps I have to widen my grip on the bar about an inch each side. I use a narrow grip on the bar but as my shoulders work and as shoulders get a "pump" I can't expect to use the exact same hand position. The front delt on my left side (which is much bigger than the right) starts squashing into my trap so I have to widen my grip.

bohsman

cletus van damme wrote: »

but i was.
and now I am enlightened.

There's 3 Public holidays here in December, 8th, 13th and 25th to go with around 17 for the year so guess they felt yet more days off for 26th or whatever would be overkill.

Alf Veedersane

bohsman wrote: »

There's 3 Public holidays here in December, 8th, 13th and 25th to go with around 17 for the year so guess they felt yet more days off for 26th or whatever would be overkill.

A big GFY to St Stephen!

Hanley

Sangre wrote: »

Band Dislocates
Behind the neck (band starts over heard and lowered behind head until around shoulder blades - don't know movement)
Band pull apart variations (parallel to ground; slightly angled downwards)

Also do scap work: pull-ups, push-ups, OHP on chest days.

I don't think I have better control later in movement? When issue presents, it causes my left shoulder to completely come forward as I'm trying to press.

Unless I'm misinterpreting your original post you said...

-When fatigued during OH pressing your shoulder drifts forwards (scapular protraction)
-You left pressing alone for a while because you couldn't correct it
-You came back to press now and do scapular stability work prior to pressing
-There's no issue anymore with shoulder drift

siochain

jugger0 wrote: »

5/3/1... whats the verdict?

Easy to follow program that builds steady progress. I use the BBB program and finish with a METCON. Suits me cause I like the lifts and I'm not into wasting time with isolation stuff. Throw in a few pull and chin ups and all bases are covered.

Reckon its good for most sports people as it focuses on the lifts that count and can be follow in season to complement club training.

Essien

Last leg day of GVT phase one done and dusted.

That'll do pig, that'll do.

Mr. Manager

Essien wrote: »

Last leg day of GVT phase one done and dusted.

That'll do pig, that'll do.

Any progress pics? I finished phase 1 a few days ago but never took photos of my legs. Regretted that one.

Essien

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

Any progress pics? I finished phase 1 a few days ago but never took photos of my legs. Regretted that one.

No, and I'm sorry now that I didn't. Though having said that, I'd be shy enough about posting them online until I shed a few more pounds of the bad stuff.

My weight has gone from around 79/80kg to 88kg, fairly steadily, since mid October. At that time I started a creatine cycle, which adds some weight and I've definitely gained a few lbs of fat. But in terms of muscle mass, I feel like I've gained a good bit, pretty much everywhere, I'm getting stronger too.

Most importantly, the girlfriend has described me as being "Less cuddly than I was before" and "Hard all over". I'll take it :pac:

Mr. Manager

Essien wrote: »

No, and I'm sorry now that I didn't. Though having said that, I'd be shy enough about posting them online until I shed a few more pounds of the bad stuff.

My weight has gone from around 79/80kg to 88kg, fairly steadily, since mid October. At that time I started a creatine cycle, which adds some weight and I've definitely gained a few lbs of fat. But in terms of muscle mass, I feel like I've gained a good bit, pretty much everywhere, I'm getting stronger too.

Most importantly, the girlfriend has described me as being "Less cuddly than I was before" and "Hard all over". I'll take it :pac:

Fuck man, that's a big gain.

I bought creatine myself but kept leaving it at the office and haven't got into a routine with it. Going to split the tub though and leave half at home so no matter where, I can take it.

Fair play anyways. I just started phase 2 and am enjoying the change of scenery (specifically no squats).

Essien

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

Fuck man, that's a big gain.

I thought that myself. I constantly reassure myself that the last time I was 88kg (around late July, on the way down from 93kg), I did not look/feel half as good as I do now.

I Love PPPP Longtime wrote: »

I bought creatine myself but kept leaving it at the office and haven't got into a routine with it. Going to split the tub though and leave half at home so no matter where, I can take it.

I'm fairly good this way, I'm very anal about taking it every day, whether I'm training or not.

I had to settle for a leg press in place of squats as my gym only has a smith machine and I hate the ****ing thing, still though, I'm not sorry to see the back of it.

Da Za

Sorry if I sound like a c*nt but I LOL'd hard at "creatine cycle".

Take it everyday lads with your protein and you need serious amounts to make a difference. For my size I need at least 50g a day!

Essien

Da Za wrote: »

Sorry if I sound like a c*nt but I LOL'd hard at "creatine cycle".

Take it everyday lads with your protein and you need serious amounts to make a difference. For my size I need at least 50g a day!

I actually read back over it just after I posted it and thought, wtf, I don't even do it in a cycle, I just take it every day. Never mind, you know what I mean :pac:.

50g though, fuck that must get expensive. My tub recommends 5g a day.

runawaybishop

Essien wrote: »

I actually read back over it just after I posted it and thought, wtf, I don't even do it in a cycle, I just take it every day. Never mind, you know what I mean :pac:.

50g though, fuck that must get expensive. My tub recommends 5g a day.

Most of them recommend 3-5 grams a day, but its such an arbitrary number - its not even linked to bodyweight.

thegreatiam

according to
http://www.schwarzenegger.com/fitness/post/creatine-how-much-should-you-be-taking

bodyweight in lbs x .15 = daily dose of creatine mono

Theresalwaysone

Dump tub of creo into tub of whey.
Ingest
??????
Profit.

conzy

I need to more than double my intake so..

Most supp companies seem to have a generic version and the creapure variant. The creapure stuff tends to be 2-3 times the price..

Any difference?

papu

conzy wrote: »

I need to more than double my intake so..

Most supp companies seem to have a generic version and the creapure variant. The creapure stuff tends to be 2-3 times the price..

Any difference?

Well there are different forms of Creatine

As it says there Creapure seems to be the TM of Monohydrate. So if it says Creapure its the good pure stuff , otherwise it could be any of the other forms.

kevpants

Watched the trailer for Dawn of the Planet of the Apes on Youtube. After my viewing Youtube suggested I may be interested in viewing the same video depicting apes evolving to displace man from the earth from 11 different sources or a video of a creationist who is very good at burpees.

googled eyes

Funnily enough the thing I noticed is that youtube has a 3d option now.

Essien

The amount of weight loss diets and gimmicks that are advertised this time of year would make you puke.

Alf Veedersane

Essien wrote: »

The amount of weight loss diets and gimmicks that are advertised this time of year would make you puke.

Weight loss solutions to make you puke? Niche or unfortunate choice of words?

Essien

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Weight loss solutions to make you puke? Niche or unfortunate choice of words?

Mightn't be any less ethical than some of the tack already on the market.

thegreatiam

Essien wrote: »

Mightn't be any less ethical than some of the tack already on the market.

nothing un-ethical about taking money off idiots too lazy to do 5 minutes of research.

cletus van damme

thegreatiam wrote: »

nothing un-ethical about taking money off idiots too lazy to do 5 minutes of research.

that is unfair.
really unfair.

How do you know what the answer is if you don't know the questions to ask in the first place?

A normal non-training person looking to get fit won't know what they need to ask not mind the solutions top their woe.

calling them lazy idiots is a dicks move to be frank.

5 mins research - mehole ...

I've been training and reading up on stuff for years and i still don't know all the answers - esp since stuff changes and contradicts itself time and time again

thegreatiam

cletus van damme wrote: »

that is unfair.
really unfair.

How do you know what the answer is if you don't know the questions to ask in the first place?

A normal non-training person looking to get fit won't know what they need to ask not mind the solutions top their woe.

calling them lazy idiots is a dicks move to be frank.

5 mins research - mehole ...

I've been training and reading up on stuff for years and i still don't know all the answers - esp since stuff changes and contradicts itself time and time again

15 years idve been more lenient and agreed with you, but nowadays it is comically easy to find information.

How many times a day to people simply post on this forum alone what supplement must I take, whats the story with this juice diet, what about this pill or that pill?

The problem is that they are literally doing the smallest effort possible and in most cases are hoping to be told their choice is fine carry on.

For every one of those post there are 10's of people who don't even bother to do that minimum.

While they googling fad diets and magic pills they literally have the world at their finger tips and yet are still to lazy to take steps, or they take one step and get frustrated and give up.

I have 0 scientific background other than from high school, yet a couple of searches and some easy reading and i'm more informed then 99% of dieters.

So yeah, if someone is too lazy to actually find easily available and free information regarding their own health and well being and instead opts for the first fad diet that appeals to them through shiny marketing then i've no sympathy when they get home to find they've bought a bottle of expensive snake oil

Essien

The sellers are cynical, to say the very least, and they do target people who, for whatever reason, don't understand the basics of nutrition at all. So it is unethical to a point.

Though having said that, while 5 mins is a stretch, a person could quickly grasp the essentials if they put in a little research, so there's definitely an element of laziness there. Everyone wants the latest quick fix. A fool and his money etc etc.

cletus van damme

thegreatiam wrote: »

15 years idve been more lenient and agreed with you, but nowadays it is comically easy to find information.

How many times a day to people simply post on this forum alone what supplement must I take, whats the story with this juice diet, what about this pill or that pill?

The problem is that they are literally doing the smallest effort possible and in most cases are hoping to be told their choice is fine carry on.

For every one of those post there are 10's of people who don't even bother to do that minimum.

While they googling fad diets and magic pills they literally have the world at their finger tips and yet are still to lazy to take steps, or they take one step and get frustrated and give up.

I have 0 scientific background other than from high school, yet a couple of searches and some easy reading and i'm more informed then 99% of dieters.

So yeah, if someone is too lazy to actually find easily available and free information regarding their own health and well being and instead opts for the first fad diet that appeals to them through shiny marketing then i've no sympathy when they get home to find they've bought a bottle of expensive snake oil

this is weird - cos now I agree with you :pac:

There are two type of people (on reflection) lazies and those that don't know what they are asking or want to ask.

The lazies will probably never fall for a scam cos they are too lazy .
I have a friend - lifting about 10 years - still ****e - all broscience.
killer deadlfit session @- 80kgs type of guy.
he asks me loads and despite what I say he still does his 3 x 10 bench at 60kg and says "whoppper session"
but he is too lazy to pay either time or money to a scam.

I'm more worried about the person who decides to lose weight and is pro-active by looking online - remember they don't know where to look or what to ask , but are willing
they will be the victims of crap advice/systems/coaches.That is wrong.

But otherwise I'll tip my hat to you on your second post.

Essien

cletus van damme wrote: »

There are two type of people (on reflection) lazies and those that don't know what they are asking or want to ask.

There's a massive section where the 2 overlap in my opinion. People who haven't a clue what to ask, but due to laziness, will opt for the first simple, fast and shiny looking solution.

True story, a friend of mine walked in on one of her friends eating a packet of tayto on a vibroplate... this is the kind of person I'm referring to.

cletus van damme

Essien wrote: »

There's a massive section where the 2 overlap in my opinion. People who haven't a clue what to ask, but due to laziness, will opt for the first simple, fast and shiny looking solution.

.

I'm not sure - think outside fitness.

If you want to buy electronics (I know nothing on this matter) is it laziness if I takle the advice of the guy in the shop?
or advice of my doctor , how many opinion should I go through and if they are different , how do I know which is right.

If you don't have that basic knowledge , you mighn't (won't ) know what you should be asking.

and I only got basic knowledge through experience - trial and error so to speak

Essien

cletus van damme wrote: »

I'm not sure - think outside fitness.

If you want to buy electronics (I know nothing on this matter) is it laziness if I takle the advice of the guy in the shop?
or advice of my doctor , how many opinion should I go through and if they are different , how do I know which is right.

If you don't have that basic knowledge , you mighn't (won't ) know what you should be asking.

and I only got basic knowledge through experience - trial and error so to speak

I just googled "How to lose weight". The first few search results suggested what I believe to be the right things - Eat whole foods, find out how many cals you're eating and how many you actually need, drink more water, avoid fad diets etc.

I believe if you're really looking for a simple, healthy, inexpensive, sustainable method of losing weight, you'd have to go out of your way to avoid all the good advice that's out there.

dartstothesea

cletus van damme wrote: »

I have a friend - lifting about 10 years - still ****e - all broscience.
killer deadlfit session @- 80kgs type of guy.
he asks me loads and despite what I say he still does his 3 x 10 bench at 60kg and says "whoppper session"
but he is too lazy to pay either time or money to a scam.

This can't be true. Are you just exaggerating or is your friend really deadlifting 80kg and benching 60kg for reps after 10 years lifting? or did he just get run over by a bus after 9yrs 6months and now he's back to that level? When you say 'lifting', does he actually just hit up a gym once every 2-3 weeks? If he's spinning his wheels to the extent you seem to be saying the lad needs an intervention or something.

thegreatiam

cletus van damme wrote: »

I'm not sure - think outside fitness.

If you want to buy electronics (I know nothing on this matter) is it laziness if I takle the advice of the guy in the shop?
or advice of my doctor , how many opinion should I go through and if they are different , how do I know which is right.

If you don't have that basic knowledge , you mighn't (won't ) know what you should be asking.

and I only got basic knowledge through experience - trial and error so to speak

If youre buying electronics then most people would be able to find out basics of what they need and how to get it.

If they are unsure then they look for an answer.
very few people buy the first option.

And there are almost as many dodgy electronics deal as get fit deals.

So why not apply the same to your health.

If people saw an ad online for a cheap tv, from a company they'd never heard of that promised all the features of the most expensive tvs, twice the size and half the cost they'd be suspicious.

So why do they so readily click and purchase the obvious weight loss scam?

Cos they are lazy, and the way to weight loss involves effort, the scam is offering less or no effort.

conzy

papu wrote: »

Well there are different forms of Creatine

As it says there Creapure seems to be the TM of Monohydrate. So if it says Creapure its the good pure stuff , otherwise it could be any of the other forms.

Its definitely creatine monohydrate

this VS this

Thud

dartstothesea wrote: »

This can't be true. Are you just exaggerating or is your friend really deadlifting 80kg and benching 60kg for reps after 10 years lifting? or did he just get run over by a bus after 9yrs 6months and now he's back to that level? When you say 'lifting', does he actually just hit up a gym once every 2-3 weeks? If he's spinning his wheels to the extent you seem to be saying the lad needs an intervention or something.

I'm sure there are lots of people in commercial gyms for years using machines or benching the same 15kg dumbells, gainz being an 11th rep or an extra 10 mins on the threadmill.
Lifting for them = going to the gym = threadmill/shaping/chatting

Vet Thrower

dartstothesea wrote: »

This can't be true. Are you just exaggerating or is your friend really deadlifting 80kg and benching 60kg for reps after 10 years lifting? or did he just get run over by a bus after 9yrs 6months and now he's back to that level? When you say 'lifting', does he actually just hit up a gym once every 2-3 weeks? If he's spinning his wheels to the extent you seem to be saying the lad needs an intervention or something.

I know someone just like that. He is a chronic hypochondriac so has been going to the gym for about 20 years because he thinks it is good for his health, but he is afraid of compound lifts and 'heavy' weights because he is worried that these will lead to injury. He has been benching around 70kg for sets of 8-12 for as long as I can remember, and he doesn't do any lower body work apart from the odd knee extension or hamstring curl.

He is reasonably trim and fit so is probably getting the results he wants, so I'm not sure if there's anything wrong with it. He does have comically thin legs though.

Alf Veedersane

He's one of those people that thinks squats are bad for the knees, by the sounds of it.

papu

conzy wrote: »

Its definitely creatine monohydrate

this VS this

one of those is 99.99% and the Creapure is 99.95%.

Cheaper and higher purity? I'd go for that one.

thegreatiam

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

He's one of those people that thinks squats are bad for the knees, by the sounds of it.

I started squatting because I have bad knees.

Alf Veedersane

When I tore my knee ligaments I was doing bodyweight squats as part of my rehab. It makes sense. Since I started doing them with a bar in the last year or so, my knees have never been better. But there are still people that think squats are bad for the knees. Colloquially known as 'clowns'.

cletus van damme

dartstothesea wrote: »

This can't be true. Are you just exaggerating or is your friend really deadlifting 80kg and benching 60kg for reps after 10 years lifting? or did he just get run over by a bus after 9yrs 6months and now he's back to that level? When you say 'lifting', does he actually just hit up a gym once every 2-3 weeks? If he's spinning his wheels to the extent you seem to be saying the lad needs an intervention or something.

no . i am afraid i'm not

He goes frequently , few times a week.
he is a bit of an arm's / chest "master" - can't / won't squat.
he isn't alone tbh

now when I say lifting - I really mean "gym" - he does lift but plenty of machines / crap exercises and never really pushes himself

Ant11

Same here. Keyhole on both knees and an ACL op, squatting was the best thing for it. Legs/knees never been better.

Stench Blossoms

Yeh my knees get awful sore sometimes as well.


...oh wait. I was suppose to keep that one to myself.

thegreatiam

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Yeh my knees get awful sore sometimes as well.


...oh wait. I was suppose to keep that one to myself.

these may be of use

Vet Thrower

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Yeh my knees get awful sore sometimes as well.


...oh wait. I was suppose to keep that one to myself.

Mind your wrists while you're at it. I know a girl who was suspected of a suicide attempt because of bandages on her wrist when the cause was something else entirely.

Sangre

My new gym has some utter clowns.

Part of the floor is already caved where people lift weights. So what do some people do? Snatches: dropping the non-rubber plates on the floor between each rep. Floor is already damaged enough with that nonsense. This is all with trainer supervision.

Alf Veedersane

I don't take notice of what others do in the gym, unless they're doing something awesome, but throwing plates and loaded bars around really grinds my gears.

Stench Blossoms

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I don't take notice of what others do in the gym, unless they're doing something awesome, but throwing plates and loaded bars around really grinds my gears.

So me 'climbing the walls' was awesome was it?