Squats the Story MkII- Off topic thread

Dave 101

Gbear wrote: »

Have any tall people here had trouble doing squats?

I'm 6ft 3 and I literally can't do any squats. Not even bodyweight.

I just fall over backwards.

I've tried pointing my toes out and spreading my legs more but when I spread them enough to be able to actually do a squat (which is about double shoulder width) they don't feel like they're doing anything and I don't even know if they're working the same muscles or if it'd put strain on my knees or whatever.
I've tried doing them shoulder width while holding on to things (door frames for example) but then it feels like my arms are doing more work holding me in place than my legs are.

In general my balance is pants. I can barely stand up straight without falling over if a stiff breeze hits me.
Any tips?

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xgtdec

Dermighty wrote: »

Boxing 3 weeks.

BJJ 2 years.

So you have 2 years combat sport training and your in a white collar boxing event, do the organizers know you have 2 year combat training?, does your opponent know you have 2 years combat training? and also does your opponent have the same or slightly varied time spent in combat training?

Dave 101

xgtdec wrote: »

So you have 2 years combat sport training and your in a white collar boxing event, do the organizers know you have 2 year combat training?, does your opponent know you have 2 years combat training? and also does your opponent have the same or slightly varied time spent in combat training?

You do know bjj is a grappling art that has no striking

xgtdec

Dave 101 wrote: »

You do know bjj is a grappling art that has no striking

i know this, i also know that someone with 2 years of bjj behind them is going to have a very very good fitness level vs someone that doesnt, in a white collar boxing match it would be grossly unfair on the opponent if the bjj training and fights has not been declared!

Duck's hoop

Slightly off the point but the 'white collar' tag is slightly patronising. To everybody concerned.

I presume it implies boxing is mainly the preserve of 'blue collar' folk.

Apart from that BS assumption, and the division it creates, Queensbury was fairly blue blooded.

I know, it's meant to be a bit of craic.

Mr. CooL ICE

xgtdec wrote: »

i know this, i also know that someone with 2 years of bjj behind them is going to have a very very good fitness level vs someone that doesnt, in a white collar boxing match it would be grossly unfair on the opponent if the bjj training and fights has not been declared!

Fitness? Well where do you draw the line then? Does that mean someone who jogs or does any form of regular exercise can't do WCB?

I think having never thrown a punch before should suffice

xgtdec

LordChessington wrote: »

Fitness? Well where do you draw the line then? Does that mean someone who jogs or does any form of regular exercise can't do WCB?

I think having never thrown a punch before should suffice

jogging is not a martial art or a combat spot, but if you want to pair 2 joggers...then go for it!

same as if you have 2 people, both technically have "never thrown a punch" but one has 2 year bjj training....whose your money on??

Dave 101

Iam sure the bjj has been declared but its not going to give that big of an advantage as you may think, sure he has stated that will will most like be fight soneone that is 6'6" and weighs nearly 3 stone heavier, white collar fights are matched fairly even on the whole

Mellor

xgtdec wrote: »

i know this, i also know that someone with 2 years of bjj behind them is going to have a very very good fitness level vs someone that doesnt, in a white collar boxing match it would be grossly unfair on the opponent if the bjj training and fights has not been declared!

That's a bit over the top tbh.
What if one guy had 10 years of football experience, does he have an unfair fitness advantage over somebody with no training.

xgtdec wrote: »

same as if you have 2 people, both technically have "never thrown a punch" but one has 2 year bjj training....whose your money on??

In what way do you think bjj gives him an advantage in boxing?

If you were talking about BJJ and MMA . Or any of the stiking arts, there might be something. But there BJJ and Boxing are wntirely different skillsets.

xgtdec

Mellor wrote: »

That's a bit over the top tbh.
What if one guy had 10 years of football experience, does he have an unfair fitness advantage over somebody with no training.



In what way do you think bjj gives him an advantage in boxing?

If you were talking about BJJ and MMA . Or any of the stiking arts, there might be something. But there BJJ and Boxing are wntirely different skillsets.

I'd agree that they are very differant skillsets!

but i imagine his experience in bjj will give his lungs a distinct advantage as he's used to physically performing under duress . I would also say that he'd be able to fight through pain a whole lot easier than an untrained person, id agree that the "type" of pain may differ but a few punches in an opening round are not going to faze someone with martial arts experiance, where as a regular average wcb wont know what hit them in the opening 30-60 seconds.

Its worth noting that i myself have no bjj experience at all, i do have boxing experience and my assumptions are based on what ive seen in wcb. Ive seen lads in the ring get destroyed by lads with undeclared skills...and those skill not directly being boxing skills.

Mellor

xgtdec wrote: »

I'd agree that they are very differant skillsets!

but i imagine his experience in bjj will give his lungs a distinct advantage as he's used to physically performing under duress . I would also say that he'd be able to fight through pain a whole lot easier than an untrained person, id agree that the "type" of pain may differ but a few punches in an opening round are not going to faze someone with martial arts experiance, where as a regular average wcb wont know what hit them in the opening 30-60 seconds.

Its worth noting that i myself have no bjj experience at all, i do have boxing experience and my assumptions are based on what ive seen in wcb. Ive seen lads in the ring get destroyed by lads with undeclared skills...and those skill not directly being boxing skills.

I don't think that BJJ would give his lungs any advantage over the likes of football, rugby, swimming, or even going to the gym.
If he competes in BJJ it might help him keep his cool under pressure, but so would any high level sporting competition.

From what I've seen. Lads with sporting backgrounds do better in this things simply because they are fitter, take better to sport in general, and the put the effort into training.

xgtdec

Mellor wrote: »

I don't think that BJJ would give his lungs any advantage over the likes of football, rugby, swimming, or even going to the gym.
If he competes in BJJ it might help him keep his cool under pressure, but so would any high level sporting competition.

From what I've seen. Lads with sporting backgrounds do better in this things simply because they are fitter, take better to sport in general, and the put the effort into training.

I very much agree that lads with a sporting backround will do better in general, but i would back someone with a bjj backround to do a lot better then a footballer or a swimmer. Much the same as i would back the footballer over someone with no sports or fitness at all providing they are evenly matched.
So in this case even though the opponent is taller and heavier, if he has no combat training id be surprised if he got the better of the OP.

Dermighty

The only advantage I have is my fitness, I imagine a triathlete would be as capable of performing under duress, as you called it, as I or anyone who has done any sport competitively would.

xgtdec

Dermighty wrote: »

The only advantage I have is my fitness, I imagine a triathlete would be as capable of performing under duress, as you called it, as I or anyone who has done any sport competitively would.

yes all triathletes are masters of the swim while being punched and bike while being grappled to the floor...we'll leave it there, i think you could not be more wrong..but thats the internet for ya!!

kevpants

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Slightly off the point but the 'white collar' tag is slightly patronising. To everybody concerned.

I presume it implies boxing is mainly the preserve of 'blue collar' folk.

Apart from that BS assumption, and the division it creates, Queensbury was fairly blue blooded.

I know, it's meant to be a bit of craic.

It comes from the origins of the thing. I worked in London ten years ago when it was becoming popular and the "White Collar" title was because it was mainly fellas who work in The City. I went to an event one night and all the fights were "Dave from HR vs Pete in Accounts". They included their job titles. This event had a fight between Rhino from Gladiators and some Engligh Rugby League player as the main event. Rhino destroyed him, all the fights were terriblle, Dean Gaffney was there.

Rubber_Soul

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ronanc15

Anyone watch the Crossfit games finals last night?

Threw an eye on it. Has to be said Rich Froning is a machine.

Zombienosh

ronanc15 wrote: »

Anyone watch the Crossfit games finals last night?

Threw an eye on it. Has to be said Rich Froning is a machine.

Where was it on?

I've been watching a load of crossfit vids lately, I don't think it deserves such a bad rap.

colman1212

ronanc15 wrote: »

Anyone watch the Crossfit games finals last night?

Threw an eye on it. Has to be said Rich Froning is a machine.

That event they finish with the handstand walk is unbelievable.
Also the walking overhead lunges look sick. Not a fan of crossfit but he is a serious athlete in fairness to him.

RidleyRider

Zombienosh wrote: »

Where was it on?

I've been watching a load of crossfit vids lately, I don't think it deserves such a bad rap.

Got any link to a replay of it or anything?

Some videos floating about on facebook give it the bad name cause there are some stupid instructors out there.

Zombienosh

I've seen some stupid stuff about crossfit, some dumb looking moves and attitudes but I think the Pros out weight the cons for crossfit.

LuckyLloyd

RidleyRider wrote: »

Got any link to a replay of it or anything?

Some videos floating about on facebook give it the bad name cause there are some stupid instructors out there.

http://games.crossfit.com/series/2013-crossfit-games-espn-coverage-non-us-only?

Every event above. Final event, Clean and Jerk ladder and Nauty Nancy highlights. Some big time pressured C & J's relative to body weight for non specialists. Lucas Parker with a superb 345.

RidleyRider

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

http://games.crossfit.com/series/2013-crossfit-games-espn-coverage-non-us-only?

Every event above. Final event, Clean and Jerk ladder and Nauty Nancy highlights. Some big time pressured C & J's relative to body weight for non specialists. Lucas Parker with a superb 345.

Cheers for that.:)

LuckyLloyd

Zombienosh wrote: »

I've seen some stupid stuff about crossfit, some dumb looking moves and attitudes but I think the Pros out weight the cons for crossfit.

They ran the final event from the 2007 games on Satirday night. Every athlete in this year's field better than the best times from that year. Watching the old footage was funny too. The top men are now ~20lbs heavier on average with a far greater work capacity. Crossfit with the retarded elements stripped out is a good training program imo.

ronanc15

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

They ran the final event from the 2007 games on Satirday night. Every athlete in this year's field better than the best times from that year. Watching the old footage was funny too. The top men are now ~20lbs heavier on average with a far greater work capacity. Crossfit with the retarded elements stripped out is a good training program imo.

Agreed. Nobody can take from what those guys/girls competing in the finals did. 80ft of walking lunges at the end of your 3 sets. One guy was doing it with his BW on the bar. I sure as fook wouldn't be able to do it. Or the 80ft walking handstand? Savage stuff.

LuckyLloyd

ronanc15 wrote: »

Agreed. Nobody can take from what those guys/girls competing in the finals did. 80ft of walking lunges at the end of your 3 sets. One guy was doing it with his BW on the bar. I sure as fook wouldn't be able to do it. Or the 80ft walking handstand? Savage stuff.

Yeah. An 80ft handstand walk after 15 184 kgs Deads and 30 24kgs pistols. Take a short break then do 15 full on ring muscle ups and 15 deficit hand stand push ups before lunging 90ft while supporting 75kgs above your head.

Froning did all that in ~10mins work time. What can you say? It's unbelievable stuff.

And then, all this is being done by athletes who put in good 2k and half marathon row times.

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amazingemmet

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

T Crossfit with the retarded elements stripped out is a good training program imo.

Not one of the single athletes competing there would be following "Crossfit" programming. They're beast but they didn't get that way from following the main HQ or normal Box templates.

Hanley

amazingemmet wrote: »

Not one of the single athletes competing there would be following "Crossfit" programming. They're beast but they didn't get that way from following the main HQ or normal Box templates.

I still remember the days CF was claiming it could take you up to a 500-750lb deadlift in 2-3 years deadliting only 6x per year.

LuckyLloyd

amazingemmet wrote: »

Not one of the single athletes competing there would be following "Crossfit" programming. They're beast but they didn't get that way from following the main HQ or normal Box templates.

Of course not. They'd have individualised coaching and programming; train multiple times a day and approach it on a full time basis for starters.

But the standard at a good box is a version of what was on show at the weekend (super vanilla version but version nonetheless):

Mobilise
Do a big compound or Olympic lift
Do a metcon
Touch on different training areas
Wrap it all in well structured and cyclical programming

And you'll have a feel for what went on the weekend. Apart from swimming, flip the pig, log carries, GHD sit ups and burpee wall climbs everything else from the individual competition at the weekend has been hit in CFI since Jan.

amazingemmet

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Of course not. They'd have individualised coaching and programming; train multiple times a day and approach it on a full time basis for starters.

But the standard at a good box is a version of what was on show at the weekend (super vanilla version but version nonetheless):

Mobilise
Do a big compound or Olympic lift
Do a metcon
Touch on different training areas
Wrap it all in well structured and cyclical programming

Isn't this how every other well structured S+C program world wide has been running since before crossfit was a twinkle in Glassman eye. Fwiw I don't have any problem with what's done in a well structured box's programming. I just don't think its anything revolutionary.

LuckyLloyd

amazingemmet wrote: »

Isn't this how every other well structured S+C program world wide has been running since before crossfit was a twinkle in Glassman eye. Fwiw I don't have any problem with what's done in a well structured box's programming. I just don't think its anything revolutionary.

Quite possibly!! Maybe 'crossfit with the retarded elements stripped out' is merely 'solid S & C training'.

amazingemmet

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Quite possibly!! Maybe 'crossfit with the retarded elements stripped out' is merely 'solid S & C training'.

with good branding;)

Hanley

amazingemmet wrote: »

Isn't this how every other well structured S+C program world wide has been running since before crossfit was a twinkle in Glassman eye. Fwiw I don't have any problem with what's done in a well structured box's programming. I just don't think its anything revolutionary.

Surprising how many people miss this one.

Zombienosh

I like how it attracts a lot of people who would usually be put of weights to lift some weight. There are from videos I've seen a lot of women into crossfit.

Sangre

It appears I can do a weighted pistol but not an unweighted one. Not exactly counter-intuitive but not immediately obvious. Not to work on balance.

Hanley

Sangre wrote: »

It appears I can do a weighted pistol but not an unweighted one. Not exactly counter-intuitive but not immediately obvious. Not to work on balance.

Counter balance pulls you into position better. Could potentially be a band aid on ankle mobility issues - forward center of gravity prevent backwards fall that usually happens with limited ankle ROM

amazingemmet

Zombienosh wrote: »

I like how it attracts a lot of people who would usually be put of weights to lift some weight. There are from videos I've seen a lot of women into crossfit.

This is true, crossfit has done more for the popularity of o-lifting then anything else has.

Sangre

Hanley wrote: »

Counter balance pulls you into position better. Could potentially be a band aid on ankle mobility issues - forward center of gravity prevent backwards fall that usually happens with limited ankle ROM

Definitely ankle mobility issues, which seem to lag far behind everything else. Efforts I've made to try and improve it haven't resulted in much improvement which is frustrating as I've limited time to work-out (which includes mobility stuff).

Trying to use bands to put extended pressure on it, only problem is finding time.

amazingemmet

Sangre wrote: »

Definitely ankle mobility issues, which seem to lag far behind everything else. Efforts I've made to try and improve it haven't resulted in much improvement which is frustrating as I've limited time to work-out (which includes mobility stuff).

Trying to use bands to put extended pressure on it, only problem is finding time.

ok here's the thing that will I'm 90% sure fix your ankle flexibility, f*ck bands, foam rollers and all those other fads. Every time you get in the gym load the standing calf machine up with a weight you'd use for sets of 8-10 reps. Now get on it and hang out in the bottom position keeping your knees straight and using the weight to force you down. Now stay there for 2 minutes . Do that a minimum 4x per week for 4 weeks then you can thank me.

kevpants

amazingemmet wrote: »

This is true, crossfit has done more for the popularity of o-lifting then anything else has.

Ironically it has achieved this by vigourously defiling everything weighlifting is about.

Don't get me started on the CF games. To be fair they are Crossfit in it's best setting, as a test. If you're timing someone and they have to go until they pass out, this is testing, not training.

LuckyLloyd

kevpants wrote: »

Ironically it has achieved this by vigourously defiling everything weighlifting is about.

Don't get me started on the CF games. To be fair they are Crossfit in it's best setting, as a test. If you're timing someone and they have to go until they pass out, this is testing, not training.

Can I get you started? I'm wary of becoming a fully fledged kool aid drinker. Thought the games were great entertainment tbh!

Jarren

Hi Guys

I was looking at this pic , never saw weight plates like this before
Any idea where this can be sourced from ?
Cheers
Jarren

DylanJM

Jarren wrote: »

Hi Guys

I was looking at this pic , never saw weight plates like this before
Any idea where this can be sourced from ?
Cheers
Jarren

They're rubber bumper plates. They look like the cheaper, generic plates that have come around since Crossfit has come about. The cheaper ones do tend to be quite wide.

If your looking to buy them D8fitness (in Dublin) do them. I've seen and used the D8 plates and would recommend them.

http://www.d8fitness.com/store/bumpers/

Jarren

THanks for the reply

I have the olympic colour bumper plates and olympic colour trip grip weight plates already, cheers.
The thing is with the picture above that I couldn't find those specific bumper plates in Ireland or UK .

Any imore info much apprecciated

Jarren

kevpants

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Can I get you started? I'm wary of becoming a fully fledged kool aid drinker. Thought the games were great entertainment tbh!

Well they should be renamed the Lactic Acid Tolerance Games for starters. They are great entertainment TBH. Ridiculously conditioned people being made do things that break them for your viewing pleasure.

They aren't the greatest athletes in the world though. They're just not, nowhere close. They're a collection of elite middle class white people I'll give them that but the Tour de France is an infinitely greater test of the human body for example. They are also quite poor technically, there's little skill. The technique in the O-lifts is shocking but it will be if you're asked to do 1000 of them in the time it takes me to eat a sandwich. The swimming as well, jesus some of them were bad. I think the near drownings kind of undermined the "elite" theme CF goes for with the games. Will be interesting to see if that reappears next year.

It's all very USA! USA!, there's not much skill, everyone's attractive and the events are getting more and more outlandish.

But you're right it's entertaining as hell and I can't wait for the logical conclusion which is for the mens 2020 CF games champion Chip Bromeister, who's cheekbones are so high they give him an advantage while kipping, wins the final event, the shot-put high dive for time (known as Xia Ping, they ran out of western girls names in 2017) by 1 rep over former Russian weightlifter Dimitriy Klokov who came out fo retirement to prove how ridiculous this all was but missed the email with the updated event schedule and therefore didn't train at all for the skateboarding through a ball-pit event and lost valuable time.

kevpants

Jarren wrote: »

Hi Guys

I was looking at this pic , never saw weight plates like this before
Any idea where this can be sourced from ?
Cheers
Jarren

Please don't. Please buy normal sized plates. Some of us have trained very hard for a very long time to get a bar that full of plates.

DylanJM

Ok, being a bit more specific. To me they look like they might be the hi temp bumpers which are made from recycled rubber. Very common in the states with a few companies making them (rogue, again faster)

http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-bumper-plates-by-hi-temp.php

Jarren

DylanJM wrote: »

Ok, being a bit more specific. To me they look like they might be the hi temp bumpers which are made from recycled rubber. Very common in the states with a few companies making them (rogue, again faster)

http://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-bumper-plates-by-hi-temp.php

Thanks for that info , great that they can be used outdoors:)

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rubadub

Sangre wrote: »

It appears I can do a weighted pistol but not an unweighted one. Not exactly counter-intuitive but not immediately obvious. Not to work on balance.

I was reading some guy saying weighted ring dips are "easier" too, presumably with the weight on a dip belt hanging a good bit down so it helps stabilise the straps. And "easier" meaning relative to regular dips, so if you can do say 20 regular dips and 10 with 20kg added, you might not halve your ring dips reps with the same added weight.

I was thinking of hanging weights off gym rings as a means of stabilising them, yes -I realise instability is part of them but some people might only have rings and not be able to do any. I once put my rings up really high, i.e. shortened the straps to stabilise them which worked well.

Must try the pistols again, if you had a long barbell with small weights it might act like a balancing pole.