Squats the Story MkII- Off topic thread

Mellor · 05-08-2014 2:47pm

Oregano_State wrote: »

Low bar. The more bent forward you are (translational load), the more your glutes and hams will be engaged. So the more upright you are the more your quads are involved.

That probably holds true when comparing low and high bar squats of the same depth.
But differing depth (ATG vrs PL) is going to change muscle recruitment.

Oregano_State · 05-08-2014 5:09pm

Mellor wrote: »

That probably holds true when comparing low and high bar squats of the same depth.
But differing depth (ATG vrs PL) is going to change muscle recruitment.

Yes, but the way the OP asked the question it was specifically comparing ATG high bar against low bar powerlifting so I think what I said was valid. There are always going to be exceptions when you start to generalise, but for most cases, the more upright you are, the more quad-focused your squat will be and vice versa.

WHIP IT! · 05-08-2014 8:05pm

Hanley wrote: »

200+kg benches are ****ing terrifying to spot.

I know sure ye nearly dropped the bar on me the last time. I barely squeezed out that eighth rep!

Mellor · 06-08-2014 12:19am

Oregano_State wrote: »

Yes, but the way the OP asked the question it was specifically comparing ATG high bar against low bar powerlifting so I think what I said was valid.

I was talking about ATG verses Powerlifting tbf.

Oly style squats will have additional glute recruitment from going ATG, compared to low bar PL squats only needing to break parallel

irishbuzz · 11-08-2014 12:57pm

Alf Veedersane · 12-08-2014 7:51am

If you think ripping the hamstring off the pelvis sounds paindul, it looks painfuller.

Not for the faint-hearted.

Riki Flutey, former rugbyer for England.

Oregano_State · 12-08-2014 11:15am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

If you think ripping the hamstring off the pelvis sounds paindul, it looks painfuller.

Not for the faint-hearted.

Riki Flutey, former rugbyer for England.

:eek:

I've had a couple of nasty hamstring tears in my time, but dear sweet mother of all that is good in the world, that takes the proverbial biscuit.

link_2007 · 12-08-2014 11:16am

Well... I wont be clicking that link.

Caliden · 12-08-2014 2:24pm

link_2007 wrote: »

Well... I wont be clicking that link.

To be fair it's not bad. A lump on his upper thigh and some bruising.

Mellor · 13-08-2014 1:38am

Caliden wrote: »

To be fair it's not bad. A lump on his upper thigh and some bruising.

Yeah, Alf over sold it.
I was expecting a gif or video of the injury happening

Alf Veedersane · 13-08-2014 3:42am

Mellor wrote: »

Yeah, Alf over sold it.
I was expecting a gif or video of the injury happening

Ah heyorrr!

I had to add a caveat but I never made out it was gruesome.

The only video was some mobile footage not showing much.

CM24 · 13-08-2014 8:05am

Has anyone tried doing Deadlifts after Front Squats in the same workout? Much of a detrimental affect?

I'd be going heavy and low reps on both. 3 sets for squats and 2 for Deads.

Alf Veedersane · 13-08-2014 8:09am

CM24 wrote: »

Has anyone tried doing Deadlifts after Front Squats in the same workout? Much of a detrimental affect?

I'd be going heavy and low reps on both. 3 sets for squats and 2 for Deads.

Front squats after deads and speed deads.

It's gruelling.

Not sure how much it takes from the front squats because the last few weeks have been 5x5, with < 2 minutes rest between sets, and I've gotten through them but they're tough at 75% of 1RM.

Nervous Wreck · 13-08-2014 8:34am

CM24 wrote: »

Has anyone tried doing Deadlifts after Front Squats in the same workout? Much of a detrimental affect?

I'd be going heavy and low reps on both. 3 sets for squats and 2 for Deads.

Would frequently enough do heavy paused front squats before deads in RevFit. Positive affect on deads.

Hanley · 13-08-2014 8:48am

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

Would frequently enough do heavy paused front squats before deads in RevFit. Positive affect on deads.

True that.

Alf Veedersane · 13-08-2014 3:02pm

taidghbaby · 13-08-2014 4:37pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

If you think ripping the hamstring off the pelvis sounds paindul, it looks painfuller.

Not for the faint-hearted.

Riki Flutey, former rugbyer for England.

Did something similar to an adductor tendon! Won't put up the pics but yeah it's very very sore!

Alf Veedersane · 14-08-2014 9:37am

Even the slow-mo is too fast to see the takedown properly...

googled eyes · 14-08-2014 10:45am

Thats some Mortal Kombat type ****

Alf Veedersane · 14-08-2014 11:16am

Just got me a pair of 0.5kg fractional plates (cheers for the link, conzy).

Straight onto the bar for next week's skullcrushers for a start.

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conzy · 14-08-2014 11:33am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Just got me a pair of 0.5kg fractional plates

Some weeks I wish I had 0.1kg plates :pac:

Mellor · 14-08-2014 12:11pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Just got me a pair of 0.5kg fractional plates (cheers for the link, conzy).

I only mentioned needing some of them earlier today. Looking for .5kg too

Alf Veedersane · 14-08-2014 12:23pm

Mellor wrote: »

I only mentioned needing some of them earlier today. Looking for .5kg too

This any good to you?

Hanley · 14-08-2014 1:03pm

'effin bargain!

Mellor · 14-08-2014 1:54pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

This any good to you?

That's perfect, close enough to pick up from the warehouse too.

Cuddlesworth · 14-08-2014 1:54pm

.au? I think you may have issues picking that up.

Hanley · 14-08-2014 2:04pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

.au? I think you may have issues picking that up.

.ie would be more of a problem for him.

Alf Veedersane · 14-08-2014 2:11pm

Mellor wrote: »

That's perfect, close enough to pick up from the warehouse too.

Any other Aussie sites doing them (not many of those either) were selling packs at about $100 a pop.

Mellor · 15-08-2014 1:25am

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

.au? I think you may have issues picking that up.

When I said it was close, I did check the location.

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Any other Aussie sites doing them (not many of those either) were selling packs at about $100 a pop.

Yeah, I found a few sell them for mad prices.
IronEdge were $100 for a pack of 4 pairs 0.25kg-1kg. Thir equipment is really good, but their retail prices are very expensive.

15-08-2014 11:32am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Just got me a pair of 0.5kg fractional plates (cheers for the link, conzy).

Link to Link?

conzy · 15-08-2014 12:08pm

Not sure if this is the same seller I used but they were about this price

link

Alf Veedersane · 15-08-2014 12:17pm

conzy wrote: »

Not sure if this is the same seller I used but they were about this price

link

I looked at those on eBay and saw they were the ones from strength shop.co.uk.

Price worked out the same with delivery but reckoned delivery would be quicker with SS.

https://www.strengthshop.co.uk/weight-plates/fractional-plates/0-5kg-cast-iron-plate-coloured.html

Hanley · 15-08-2014 12:18pm

I have the strength shop ones. Top notch.

Mellor · 15-08-2014 2:58pm

Midway through my training plan, keeping an eye on my volume and ratios.

Current exercises (over two sessions) are;
Deadlift, Bench, row variation, Squat, Press, pull ups, Snatch grip shrugs, delt work, bicep, triceps.

I to takes volumes like this
Dead lift = Hip
Squat = Quad
bench and press = push
row and pull-ups = pull

Ignoring the rest in terms if volume. Somebody asked me if SG shrugs should be pull too. And I was able to definitively say yes or no. Thoughts?

Also,should I include power cleans with hip volume?

Oregano_State · 15-08-2014 3:37pm

Mellor wrote: »

Also,should I include power cleans with hip volume?

Not sure about the shugs, seem like a pull to me though. The first phase of a power clean is very similar to a deadlift so I'd count it with that. You can't fit all exercises into categories though, there's always going to be crossover and grey areas. As I'm sure you know the DL and power clean both use a lot of different muscles.

Alf Veedersane · 15-08-2014 4:55pm

Tried out the Reebok Power shoes for deadlifts earlier. Part of me didn't want to like them but they were prett-ay, prett-ay, pretty good! Solid A.

dartstothesea · 15-08-2014 5:47pm

Mellor wrote: »

Midway through my training plan, keeping an eye on my volume and ratios.

Current exercises (over two sessions) are;
Deadlift, Bench, row variation, Squat, Press, pull ups, Snatch grip shrugs, delt work, bicep, triceps.

I to takes volumes like this
Dead lift = Hip
Squat = Quad
bench and press = push
row and pull-ups = pull

Ignoring the rest in terms if volume. Somebody asked me if SG shrugs should be pull too. And I was able to definitively say yes or no. Thoughts?

Also,should I include power cleans with hip volume?

What is the goal of this analysis?

JJayoo · 15-08-2014 7:08pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Tried out the Reebok Power shoes for deadlifts earlier. Part of me didn't Wang to like them but they were prett-ay, prett-ay, pretty good! Solid A.

And FREE, that's the most important part.

Alf Veedersane · 15-08-2014 7:16pm

JJayoo wrote: »

And FREE, that's the most important part.

That allowed a more objective assessment.

Pretty sure I'd be willing them to be awesome if I'd handed over 90 notes for 'em

Alf Veedersane · 15-08-2014 7:46pm

Here be an Eff Wye Eye.

Strengthshop a doing a home gym package.

https://www.strengthshop.co.uk/build-your-own-home-gym-package.html

dylbert · 15-08-2014 7:46pm

Anybody recommend video editing software, free or cheap?

JJayoo · 15-08-2014 11:27pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Here be an Eff Wye Eye.

Strengthshop a doing a home gym package.

https://www.strengthshop.co.uk/build-your-own-home-gym-package.html

How does this stand up against other package deals?

I was looking at this package, the rack looks fairly solid

http://www.strengthandfitness.ie/store#!/~/product/category=9259047&id=32341067

Mellor · 16-08-2014 9:32am

dartstothesea wrote: »

What is the goal of this analysis?

I suppose balance is the best way to describe it. Maintaining balance between push:pull as load increases. Aim for for hip volume Thad quad, hence unsure in power cleans should be included as they're quite a complex lift.

Oregano_State · 16-08-2014 12:27pm

Mellor wrote: »

I suppose balance is the best way to describe it. Maintaining balance between push:pull as load increases. Aim for for hip volume Thad quad, hence unsure in power cleans should be included as they're quite a complex lift.

http://healthyliving.azcentral.com/primary-muscles-involved-power-clean-exercise-3176.html

For the PC, this article apparently ranks the order of muscle muscle recruitment as glutes>hams>>quads>calves>traps+back.

Having said that, whenever I do lots of cleans, I only ever get DOMS in my traps and a little in my hams, so take from that what you want. It might be different for other people.

16-08-2014 1:49pm

Any good video or guide on how to do a muscle up?

I think I should have the strength for one... can do about 15 BW pull-ups and one pull-up with 40kg added. I just can't coordinate my swing to generate enough momentum to get up high enough. I've tried a few times now but it always ends miserably...

Remmy · 16-08-2014 9:45pm

Just had a cookies n cream quest bar. Definitely my favorite protein bar so far.

Mellor · 17-08-2014 4:31am

Oregano_State wrote: »

For the PC, this article apparently ranks the order of muscle muscle recruitment as glutes>hams>>quads>calves>traps+back.

I would have assumed as much hence why I'm classing it as a hip dominant movement. I don't have much volume with PCs tbh, buts the goal it's hip>quad it's a little boost there.