Practicing on the course

Miley Byrne

GreeBo wrote: »

But whats the difference between practicing and playing a competitive round?

No, I agree with you. Whatever about the legalities of it, I don't see the problem with someone playing a few holes on a Saturday and entering the comp on a Sunday if you also have fellas playing the same comp on the Saturday and the Sunday. Never thought about it really until today.

GreeBo

denisoc16 wrote: »

No, I agree with you. Whatever about the legalities of it, I don't see the problem with someone playing a few holes on a Saturday and entering the comp on a Sunday if you also have fellas playing the same comp on the Saturday and the Sunday. Never thought about it really until today.

Thats it exactly for me.
In both scenarios people are playing on the competition course before playing in the competition.

PARlance

Interesting topic this, normally a rule will be clarified quickly on here by several people.
Johnodot has clarified, but even with that said, he's looking to the Welsh GUI for guidance on it and there's more confusion among lads that you'd look to for a decision than normal.

The best thing to come from it is the fact that it's almost certain Greebo has cheated at some stage unknowingly

It's strange that most clubs (from what I'm gathering) don't have a local rule in place allowing practice, but yet the allow practice in the sense that the rule isn't marshaled. (Just my assumption)

What I do find uneasy is my own club enforcing the rule*.
This only happened last week... I don't think it's mad to see the correlation between the
Fine weather,
Increased demand for green fees,
Text informing members of the implementation of the rule
*Not that I'm against the rules, but it's clearly not about the rule in this case as they could just implement a local rule allowing it.

Anyway, shouldn't complain too much, for the price I'm getting it's still good value etc. and I knew there'd be pro's and con's.
But I'll bring it to their attention all the same, it may be the case that they're just not aware of the ability to implement a local rule :eek: Or they might just forget the rule when the lads looking for their tan aren't calling up looking for their annual round of golf.

hades

ajcurry123 wrote: »

It's strange that most clubs (from what I'm gathering) don't have a local rule in place allowing practice, but yet the allow practice in the sense that the rule isn't marshaled. (Just my assumption)

As i mentioned earlier, our course only enforces this rule for the Captains and Presidents Prize. Last year the guy who came second overall was DQ'd for practicing outside of designated practice areas over the weekend.

I guess its easier to enforce only 2 weekends a year.

Russman

denisoc16 wrote: »

I guess yes is the answer to both. I don't see the problem in that scenario though. Like, you could get 3 .1s if you played 3 opens on different courses so it's not like you couldn't otherwise get them. Or get cut 3 times....

It's the practicing part of it that is the problem I'd imagine

Can open, worms everywhere !!!:D

True enough, but I'd have thought common sense would say that to be able to get 0.1 back 3 times in the same competition is just plain wrong....? I know you can go to 3 Opens and do it that way, but at least you have to do that. 3 times in the one comp seems just short of writing in and saying "would you ever give us 0.3 back and save me the hassle....."

By the same token, getting cut 3 times in the same comp also doesn't seem right. Although if you're off the lower handicap each day, then a case could possibly be made that its ok(ish) - still seems odd. Its like 3 comps for handicapping purposes ie if golfnet is updated each night, but one comp for prize purposes. The prize is effectively "best score over the weekend"

Can you enter twice on the one day ?

As Greebo's hypothethical situation, you play on Fri & Sat checking he greens, pins etc, get a handy 0.2, and then "try" on the Sunday (or not) - I can't see a difference between playing and practicing.
Now, if its two different comps, that's fine, ie a Saturday and a Sunday comp.

gman127

Just to confuse things further:

What if your playing twice in one day on the same course.

For example.

This Saturday is day 2 of our Captains Prize.

The tee-times for this run from 8:40 to 1:10.

Either side of this is a Singles Stableford.

I'm slotted in for 12:18 so could I potentially play the Singles in the morning then the second round of the Captains in the afternoon???

It's in a comp in the morning so wouldn't be technically practicing but competing!!!

spacecoyote

Have to agree with AJ on this one re the text that went out. And have spoken with other members who are in agreement.

I kind of get where they are coming from, ie, don't want people getting insider info for the weekend comps, and potentially tie-ing up tee slots on a Saturday morning that prevents another member from getting out & playing in the competition themselves. I can see this being an issue too, as there was a definite increase in membership uptake this year, and Saturday slots are more difficult to get than Sunday ones.

But the tone of the text was was way off. IT could have been communicated in a much more appropriate manner without beating people over the hit with disqualifications. You certainly wouldn't call it fostering an inclusive atmosphere!

GreeBo

we dont have the tieing up competition slots with practice issue as the overflow/alternate timesheet is for specific hours when no casual golf is allowed. however, you can play and enter the comp at anytime during the day as long as you get another person to mark your card (and they are also playing the comp)

Freemount09

GreeBo wrote: »

we dont have the tieing up competition slots with practice issue as the overflow/alternate timesheet is for specific hours when no casual golf is allowed. however, you can play and enter the comp at anytime during the day as long as you get another person to mark your card (and they are also playing the comp)

Does the marker also have to be playing the comp ?? I thought that the marker just had to have a GUI # ?

GreeBo

Freemount09 wrote: »

Does the marker also have to be playing the comp ?? I thought that the marker just had to have a GUI # ?

When marking a card for handicap purposes it just needs to be someone with a GUI, for our overflow comp timesheet, everyone on the line needs to be in the comp.

DuckSlice

denisoc16 wrote: »

Yes, if you played on the 3 days. Haven't seen it happen but I have seen one young lad win and also get 3rd recently

That's ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed. You should have one attempt and that's all your allowed.

Johnodot

etxp wrote: »

That's ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed. You should have one attempt and that's all your allowed.

You can have a competition where you can re-enter on successive days. However, it is non-qualifying for handicap purposes, i.e. no 0.1 back and no cutting, although you could still be cut under general play. Not really within GUI guidelines who recommend qualifying competitions whenever possible and not popular with players either. It can work in the winter time, if you have a competition over less than 18 holes, or if it is already non-qualifying (e.g. with relief in the rough).