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episode 6 - meh. another draggy episode.

just waiting for it to get to the end at this point.

dare I say it maybe season 2 is better

Nerdlingr

So, is Roland gay then? Takes umbridge any time hays mentionions the queer club that tom visited. Also, no wife , no kids etc. Himself and tom on first names terms, they seem to have made a connection, besides helping him off the drink. Does hays find out about it thus causing their 24 year absence...?I dunno.

All in all, Its a bit too samey as season one for me. Yellow king. Pink room. Pedo ring what have ya. Still enjoy it but was hoping for a different angle that hasn't been done before.

Eod100

2 episodes left. So looking like Hoyt involved, ''the man who says he's my father'' and ''pink room'' etc. Guessing cop at the end who catches Tom in pink room, kills him then gets disappeared himself. Presumably Lucy and Dan also killed.

Guess attorney general (who seemed a bit off from the start) and cops have some involvement besides trying to wrap up case quickly. Put it on Woodard initially, then with call from Julie came in put it on Tom.

So if episode 7 covers who did it, guess 8 will show how they how they caught them?

As an aside any significance with brief focus on landscaper when the girl looks out the window? Or would that be too obvious a callback to s1?

Bowlardo

glasso wrote: »

episode 6 - meh. another draggy episode.

just waiting for it to get to the end at this point.

dare I say it maybe season 2 is better

In the same boat too. It’s better than 2 though

Nerdlingr

Read it elsewhere but apparently the landscaper is the kid that was friends with Julie and Will when they were younger. The one that waves to them on their bikes.

Also, any significance in the peephole....and the notes not fitting out the other side? So they weren't passing notes to each other? Straight after that scene, in 2015, Hays asks Roland "they were passing notes to each other right?" . Is he testing Roland to see if hes still towing the party line re the case? Seems a bit suspicious.

Eod100

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Read it elsewhere but apparently the landscaper is the kid that was friends with Julie and Will when they were younger. The one that waves to them on their bikes.

Also, any significance in the peephole....and the notes not fitting out the other side? So they weren't passing notes to each other? Straight after that scene, in 2015, Hays asks Roland "they were passing notes to each other right?" . Is he testing Roland to see if hes still towing the party line re the case? Seems a bit suspicious.

Yeah was reading up there. Hadn't done much before because didn't really feel there were much I was missing out on but was curious all the same. Mad how much people find just by checking out IMDB too.

I thought the 'revelation' was that the notes fitted and that's what they were at. That it wasn't a peephole. How that would be a big revelation when they already had the notes seemed a bit daft but put it down to poor writing..

Nerdlingr

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah was reading up there. Hadn't done much before because didn't really feel there were much I was missing out on but was curious all the same. Mad how much people find just by checking out IMDB too.

I thought the 'revelation' was that the notes fitted and that's what they were at. That it wasn't a peephole. How that would be a big revelation when they already had the notes seemed a bit daft but put it down to poor writing..

I thought the revelation was that the notes didnt come out the other side! because as you said, they latch onto the notes passing theory straight away as soon as they find them in Ep1. But Hays goes back to check if the notes actually fit...why? They were only half pieces of paper. Not enough to pass through... Then again, maybe im reading it all wrong!! Or reading too much into it! Probably both.

easy peasy

Eod100 wrote: »

2 episodes left. So looking like Hoyt involved, ''the man who says he's my father'' and ''pink room'' etc. Guessing cop at the end who catches Tom in pink room, kills him then gets disappeared himself. Presumably Lucy and Dan also killed.

Guess attorney general (who seemed a bit off from the start) and cops have some involvement besides trying to wrap up case quickly. Put it on Woodard initially, then with call from Julie came in put it on Tom.

So if episode 7 covers who did it, guess 8 will show how they how they caught them?

As an aside any significance with brief focus on landscaper when the girl looks out the window? Or would that be too obvious a callback to s1?

I noticed that landscaper too, will be interesting to see if anything develops off that.

One scene I found interesting was Roland and Hays in 2015. Might be just me, but when Hays went to the bathroom, I found Roland's facial expression and curiosity quite interesting. My first impression when Hays came back from the bathroom was that he was feigning the memory loss when he saw Roland snooping. Also interesting when he asked Roland to look outside to see if i could see if he could see the black car, we are told he can't but aren't given a visual ourselves.

Was really interested in that scene and thought it pointed to Roland being involved in some kind of cover up.

Eod100

Nerdlingr wrote: »

I thought the revelation was that the notes didnt come out the other side! because as you said, they latch onto the notes passing theory straight away as soon as they find them in Ep1. But Hays goes back to check if the notes actually fit...why? They were only half pieces of paper. Not enough to pass through... Then again, maybe im reading it all wrong!! Or reading too much into it! Probably both.

Actually yeah now that I watch it back, I think you're right. Looked like note didn't fit all the way through wall and Hays was probably quizzing West to see would he cover it up? Guess he can be pretty lucid for a guy with dementia but think that can happen with people with the illness. That changes it altogether so! Had read a blog going along with what I thought so guess it was confirmation bias. Ha

Eod100

easy peasy wrote: »

I noticed that landscaper too, will be interesting to see if anything develops off that.

One scene I found interesting was Roland and Hays in 2015. Might be just me, but when Hays went to the bathroom, I found Roland's facial expression and curiosity quite interesting. My first impression when Hays came back from the bathroom was that he was feigning the memory loss when he saw Roland snooping. Also interesting when he asked Roland to look outside to see if i could see if he could see the black car, we are told he can't but aren't given a visual ourselves.

Was really interested in that scene and thought it pointed to Roland being involved in some kind of cover up.

Yeah he also seemed to look at Hays gun, maybe they're hinting that West doesn't want Hays to solve the case cause he is somehow implicated. It adds up with what Nerdlingr is saying above with the more. Might link in to work Hays being given a desk job and West getting promoted too. Thought that was more West willing to keep his head down and go along with what his bosses but might be more sinister so. Might explain why they haven't talked in 20 odd years too. West seems a fairly broken man , sign of guilt I wonder?

not saying that season 1 was the best tv ever but it had so much going for it over this pale imitation that is season 3. 2 points that stand out for me.

- chemistry between the leads - there is none at all in season 3 really. neither are engaging either really. Ali's character started off ok but is just boring at this stage.

- the place as a character - the lush greenness and yet accompanying decay of Louisiana was ever present. I couldn't even tell you where season 3 is supposed to be - no use whatsoever of place

maybe this explains the decent start and subsequent decline.....

Director and executive producer Jeremy Saulnier, who was set to split directing duties for the entire run with show creator Nic Pizzolatto, has left after completing the first two episodes

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/true-detective-season-3-director-exits-2-episodes-1098793

Roger Hassenforder

glasso wrote: »

not saying that season 1 was the best tv ever but it had so much going for it over this pale imitation that is season 3. 2 points that stand out for me.

- chemistry between the leads - there is none at all in season 3 really. neither are engaging either really. Ali's character started off ok but is just boring at this stage.

- the place as a character - the lush greenness and yet accompanying decay of Louisiana was ever present. I couldn't even tell you where season 3 is supposed to be - no use whatsoever of place

8 episodes?

Could have trimmed it down a bit.
Its a bit of a struggle at this stage, I'm not sure if i'm too bothered, the mumbling is a joke.

Eod100

glasso wrote: »

not saying that season 1 was the best tv ever but it had so much going for it over this pale imitation that is season 3. 2 points that stand out for me.

- chemistry between the leads - there is none at all in season 3 really. neither are engaging either really. Ali's character started off ok but is just boring at this stage.

- the place as a character - the lush greenness and yet accompanying decay of Louisiana was ever present. I couldn't even tell you where season 3 is supposed to be - no use whatsoever of place

Yeah was watching a behind the scenes video last night where they were saying Arkansas was like an extra character in it.. must have got decent tax cuts to film there or something!

Roger Hassenforder

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

8 episodes?

Could have trimmed it down a bit.
Its a bit of a struggle at this stage, I'm not sure if i'm too bothered, the mumbling is a joke.

yes it's basically turgid going - if they were intent on this pace and relative nothingness a shorter runtime per episode might have saved it to some extent - e.g. the 41 minute time segment used by a lot of other shows

the longer duration here coupled with no engagement with the characters and nada actually happening/being built up, only builds boredom

Eod100

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah was watching a behind the scenes video last night where they were saying Arkansas was like an extra character in it.. must have got decent tax cuts to film there or something!

season 1 was shot in Louisiana

itially, True Detective's first season was due to shoot in Arkansas, but Pizzolatto later chose to film in Louisiana to take advantage of state tax incentives and the area's distinctive landscape

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Detective_(season_1)

Eod100

glasso wrote: »

It was filmed in Louisiana

I meant S3

Eod100

Eod100 wrote: »

I meant S3

my point was that season 1's Louisiana added so much.

season 3's sense of place is zero imo.

how whatever source can argue that it was like an extra character (like Louisiana actually was in season 1) is bs I would say!

(edit - is that what you're actually saying also? - not clear)

Eod100

glasso wrote: »

my point was that season 1's Louisiana added so much.

season 3's sense of place is zero imo.

how whatever source can argue that it was like an extra character (like Louisiana actually was in season 1) is bs I would say!

(edit - is that what you're actually saying also? - not clear)

It is yeah. Agree with you its not noticeable as a character this season.

Roger Hassenforder

Eod100 wrote: »

It is yeah. Agree with you its not noticeable as a character this season.

Its set in the Ozarks i thought

Eod100

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Its set in the Ozarks i thought

Yeah that's in Arkansas afaik

Berties_Horse

Berties_Horse wrote: »

I wonder if the writers know where all the loose threads tie up, been meandering and rather dull so far. The disagreement among the showrunners has blighted the current series, left with a sense of potential squandered.

There is only one showrunner - Pizzolatto

Each episode has an assigned director

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Detective_(season_3)

the worst episiodes so far (3 and 6) have been done by Daniel Sackheim

he also did 7 and 8 :eek:

cmac2009

I've given up on it. Find myself picking up my phone so much throughout the episodes. Another let down.

ricero

I don't get the hate. Found this week and the series overall to be very good.

ricero

ricero wrote: »

I don't get the hate. Found this week and the series overall to be very good.

Same. Took a few episodes to get into it but in the last two episodes I've been hanging on every word.

hanging on every mumbled word! not I.

I mean if the characters were engaging and had good chemistry it would work to make up for the tedium for me but it doesn't (for me). it's not as if a lot of the dialogue goes anywhere or serves to make any point so much of it seems irrelevant.

Ali is a good actor (Green Book) but apart from what seemed a good start he has displayed no real range here (make-up is not range) - maybe it's the character but still.

And the whole dementia thing has been a bit of a mess so far.

Unless there does turn out to be someone in a black car.

Gimme A Pound

The Ozark mountains region straddles northern Arkansas and southern Missouri. This is set in the Arkansas Ozarks. It's a pretty bleak landscape (anyone see Winter's Bone? Although that's just across in Missouri) - very poor; meth is rife. Season one's setting Louisiana is the state south of Arkansas, which I guess lends a similar feel in terms of landscape. S1 isn't particularly "party", Mardi Gras Louisiana.

Nerdlingr wrote: »

So, is Roland gay then?

I thought that early on as I sensed a degree of intimacy between him and Tom. But also bearing in mind I could be reading into things.

glasso

glasso wrote: »

hanging on every mumbled word! not I.

I mean if the characters were engaging and had good chemistry it would work to make up for the tedium for me but it doesn't (for me). it's not as if a lot of the dialogue goes anywhere or serves to make any point so much of it seems irrelevant.

Ali is a good actor (Green Book) but apart from what seemed a good start he has displayed no real range here (make-up is not range) - maybe it's the character but still.

And the whole dementia thing has been a bit of a mess so far.

Unless there does turn out to be someone in a black car.

I have to put on subtitles for Hays :pac:

Eod100

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have to put on subtitles for Hays :pac:

I had subtitles with Nowtv which seemed to get things wrong. Latest episode didn't have any at all so maybe they gave up..!

alchemist33

Eod100 wrote: »

I had subtitles with Nowtv which seemed to get things wrong. Latest episode didn't have any at all so maybe they gave up..!

Subtitles on Sky were five minutes behind for this episode too.

Otto Kind Lawyer

Otto Kind Lawyer wrote: »

The Ozark mountains region straddles northern Arkansas and southern Missouri. This is set in the Arkansas Ozarks. It's a pretty bleak landscape (anyone see Winter's Bone? Although that's just across in Missouri) - very poor; meth is rife. Season one's setting Louisiana is the state south of Arkansas, which I guess lends a similar feel in terms of landscape. S1 isn't particularly "party", Mardi Gras Louisiana.

yes but overall I would think that it's fair to say that there aren't much outdoor shots of landscape at all in s3

whereas you have s1 where the landscape - green and industrial rust was atmospheric

(this is a deleted scene apparently but lots of similar shots in s1 - really added to it imo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o46xKliq13w

Roger Hassenforder

Eod100 wrote: »

I had subtitles with Nowtv which seemed to get things wrong. Latest episode didn't have any at all so maybe they gave up..!

alchemist33 wrote: »

Subtitles on Sky were five minutes behind for this episode too.

Ooo, adds to the arty and niche mumbling...

Slydice

6: Another decent episode. Damn but that ending was creepy! I'm guessing that's why we don't see the father in the later time period.

sk8erboii

glasso wrote: »

maybe this explains the decent start and subsequent decline.....



https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/true-detective-season-3-director-exits-2-episodes-1098793

Decline? Its pretty damn good so far.

sk8erboii

Do people here just have ADHD or something? Really i mean complaining that a character study series has too much dialogue?

Go watch CSI for your bang bang action packed trite

Can't wait to see that 9.6 rated episode

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Can't wait to see that 9.6 rated episode

rating for an episode that is not even out yet anywhere lol

lots of dialogue is fine if it's well written, well delivered and actually has some point of progression.

those attributes do not apply to the dialogue in this season for the most part imo.

sk8erboii

glasso wrote: »

rating for an episode that is not even out yet anywhere lol

lots of dialogue is fine if it's well written, well delivered and actually has some point of progression.

those attributes do not apply to the dialogue in this season for the most part imo.

damn look at this literary critic over here

read much of beckett?

Or are you really just talking out your arse?

Most of the dialogue is well written, well delivered and no not everything has to be about 'progressing' like wtf this isn't a videogame. CHARACTER STUDY.

IMO you should go watch something that suits your taste, maybe CSI Miami

The Black Oil

sk8erboii, stop trying to wind people up.

username checks out

krustydoyle

Now that was a good episode.. Roll on next week

P.Walnuts

krustydoyle wrote: »

Now that was a good episode.. Roll on next week

Yup, it's coming together nicely.

Apart from episode 3 and 4 which were just ok but a little slow I think it's been a good season

that was a good episode..... at last. didn't drag like pretty much half the season did and there was an actual bit of character development between the 2 leads.

I wonder if it is the same pedo deal as season 1 or a case where the Hoyt's just wanted a child due to their loss? - the security guy did say that he would never do anything to harm a child.

so does Hoyt blackmail Hays to shut up?

Effects

I could be wrong here but, in the barn scene, Hays ask for the whole story, then the security guy, James, looks at Roland, who looks back with a bit of a suspicious look. Then a minute later Roland shoots him dead. Possibly to shut him up?

Effects

I've been avoiding imdb in case of spoilers, but is Hoyt played by Michael Rooker? It sounded like him on the phone.

yabadabado

Effects wrote: »

I've been avoiding imdb in case of spoilers, but is Hoyt played by Michael Rooker? It sounded like him on the phone.

Yeah Its Michael Rooker.Showed him in a picture in Ep.7

Slydice

Damn but that was one of the most tense 2nd half of of an episodes I can remember!

Effects wrote: »

Hays ask for the whole story, then the security guy, James, looks at Roland, who looks back with a bit of a suspicious look

Yeah, noticed that. Makes me wonder if Roland is how Hoyt seems to know so much so quick and why Roland is where he is in life during the old age scenes.

On Wikipedia, the title of the last episode is listed as:

Now Am Found.

I'm not sure what this is gonna mean for

Hays. Has he just forgotten something. Obviously he doesn't die.

Nerdlingr

I was lost but now am found....tis biblical. Hays is probably gonna get the clarity he's been seeking this whole time...(and maybe a stand off with a loaded gun with Roland!)

Good episode, but not great. I mean we pretty much pieced the whole thing together already anyway. Unless there is one big twist coming...maybe the Roland was in on it angle...but otherwise it's too like season 1 for me. Another pedo ring/daughter couldn't have family so bought one etc etc
I was hoping for something a little bit more than the big corporation with lots of power can get away with anything schtick.

Beside Harris looking at Roland, one of the other things I noticed is in a lot of the shots Roland is standing behind Hays. In his shadow. Not side by side as we have seen previously. Another sign of something to hide/guilt?

Gimme A Pound

Gonna re-watch that bit in the barn for the look between James and West.

Liked the meta bit looking back to 2012.

Good episode imo - as said, intensifying of the two leads' relationship, some reveals (even if you could see them coming - although not before this episode for me).

Love Michael Rooker - that's great news.

The actress who plays Hays's wife is good but her accent is terrible at times. British and Australian actors can struggle with American accents.

Gimme A Pound

I dunno. That look between West and James in the barn seems fairly innocuous to me. West beat him very severely too - pointing out that his friend was dead due to this whole thing. It wouldn't add up for them to be connected. But then again maybe that's what they want you to think!