Springbok Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

Emperor1989

thunderthing wrote: »

Any chance of Lions 10, Boshoff, getting a game do ye think?"

I be very surprised now as we build up for the World Cup.

Emperor1989

De Villers out for 8 weeks.

This means a completely new midfield partnership now going forward for the June test and a new captain.

On a side note....great photo here from the game yesterday.

hahashake

How do the saffas feel about JdV being out? He's a favourite of mine but Frans Steyn is a decent replacement.

Emperor1989

hahashake wrote: »

How do the saffas feel about JdV being out? He's a favourite of mine but Frans Steyn is a decent replacement.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing what the others have to offer however he is a rock in defense something the others have yet to prove at international level.

Emperor1989

The new captain?

hahashake

Why not Bizzy? Admittedly Matfield has more experience but BdP is undeniably the best player in the world in his position, which for me, is important. If all the SA locks were fit, would Matfield still start?

matthew8

Matfield can't be captain as he wouldn't start, all fit. BduP is the obvious choice, captain of the table toppers and the team's best player and the best in the world at his position.

Emperor1989

I am yet to be convinced he is Captain material like John Smit.

Lads Matfield is rolling back the years if he can give 50 good mins he is guarenteed starter with Etzebeth at 4. With Flip/Botha/Du Toit in the wings.

Emperor1989

Injuries Injuries Injuries, this is getting beyond a joke now

Frans Malherbe (prop), Schalk Burger (loose forward), Willem Alberts (loose forward), S'bura Sithole (centre/wing), Frans Steyn (utility back), Juan de Jongh (centre), Johan Goosen (fly-half), Bismarck du Plessis (hooker) and Duane Vermeulen (number eight). Jean de Villiers (knee), Scarra Ntubeni (foot), Chiliboy Ralepelle (knee), Frik Kirsten (neck), Pieter-Steph du Toit (knee), Franco van der Merwe (ankle), Arno Botha (knee), Pierre Spies (bicep), Louis Schreuder (hand), Pat Lambie (bicep), Gio Aplon (elbow), and Jaque Fourie (ankle)

Emperor1989

Springbok squad for June Tests: Willem Alberts, Bakkies Botha, Schalk Brits, Schalk Burger, Marcell Coetzee, Damian De Allende, Lodewyk de Jager, Juan de Jongh, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Fourie du Preez, JJ Engelbrecht, Johan Goosen, Bryan Habana, Cornal Hendricks, Francois Hougaard, Zane Kirchner, Siya Kolisi, Willie le Roux, Francois Louw, Victor Matfield, Teboho 'Oupa' Mohoje, Tendai Mtawarira, Lwazi Mvovo, Coenie Oosthuizen, Ruan Pienaar, JP Pietersen, Jan Serfontein, S'bura Sithole, Gurthrö Steenkamp, Frans Steyn, Morné Steyn, Flip van der Merwe, Marcel van der Merwe, Duane Vermeulen, Callie Visagie.


Poor selections are Kirchner and Kolisi. Great to see Bakkies Botha back and very interesting that Juan Smith requested not to be picked due to a niggling injury(maybe a sign he has called time)?

Emperor1989

Brussow also failed to make the squad....which must a huge blow for him.

Tox56

Emperor1989 wrote: »

Springbok squad for June Tests: Willem Alberts, Bakkies Botha, Schalk Brits, Schalk Burger, Marcell Coetzee, Damian De Allende, Lodewyk de Jager, Juan de Jongh, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Fourie du Preez, JJ Engelbrecht, Johan Goosen, Bryan Habana, Cornal Hendricks, Francois Hougaard, Zane Kirchner, Siya Kolisi, Willie le Roux, Francois Louw, Victor Matfield, Teboho 'Oupa' Mohoje, Tendai Mtawarira, Lwazi Mvovo, Coenie Oosthuizen, Ruan Pienaar, JP Pietersen, Jan Serfontein, S'bura Sithole, Gurthrö Steenkamp, Frans Steyn, Morné Steyn, Flip van der Merwe, Marcel van der Merwe, Duane Vermeulen, Callie Visagie.


Poor selections are Kirchner and Kolisi. Great to see Bakkies Botha back and very interesting that Juan Smith requested not to be picked due to a niggling injury(maybe a sign he has called time)?

Kirchner's had an middling season but he was very good yesterday in fairness

matthew8

Emperor1989 wrote: »

Springbok squad for June Tests: Willem Alberts, Bakkies Botha, Schalk Brits, Schalk Burger, Marcell Coetzee, Damian De Allende, Lodewyk de Jager, Juan de Jongh, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Fourie du Preez, JJ Engelbrecht, Johan Goosen, Bryan Habana, Cornal Hendricks, Francois Hougaard, Zane Kirchner, Siya Kolisi, Willie le Roux, Francois Louw, Victor Matfield, Teboho 'Oupa' Mohoje, Tendai Mtawarira, Lwazi Mvovo, Coenie Oosthuizen, Ruan Pienaar, JP Pietersen, Jan Serfontein, S'bura Sithole, Gurthrö Steenkamp, Frans Steyn, Morné Steyn, Flip van der Merwe, Marcel van der Merwe, Duane Vermeulen, Callie Visagie.


Poor selections are Kirchner and Kolisi. Great to see Bakkies Botha back and very interesting that Juan Smith requested not to be picked due to a niggling injury(maybe a sign he has called time)?

Did you see yesterday's match? He was immense and hasn't had a bad game in a while. I'm not too eager to see Visagie or Mvovo in 15 for the boks anytime soon so Kirchner must be there to cover Le Roux.

Emperor1989

matthew8 wrote: »

Did you see yesterday's match? He was immense and hasn't had a bad game in a while. I'm not too eager to see Visagie or Mvovo in 15 for the boks anytime soon so Kirchner must be there to cover Le Roux.

SP Marais of the Sharks is a better player than Kirchner and even the dodgy Jaco Taute of the Stormers is better. I think Kirchner does a very very solid job at club level but the Boks don't need him at 15. If you must play him give him a position on the wing. He gives no direction at 15 om terms of attack.

Emperor1989

A Brilliant piece on Schalk Burger

Emperor1989

Matfield captain as I predicted.....was a very easy decision for Meyer.

He commands more respect that any other player in that team.

Can see Meyer picking something like this team below....however I am unsure about Jannie Du Plessis starting....think he might be given a rest.

1. Beast
2. Bismark
3. JDP
4. Flip Van Der Merve
5. Victor Matfield
6. Louw
7. Alberts
8. Vermulen
9. Du Preez
10. Steyn
11. Habana
12. Serfontein / Steyn if fit
13. JJ Englebreht
14. JPP
15. Le Roux

Emperor1989

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cornal Hendricks, 13 JP Pietersen, 12 Frans Steyn, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Victor Matfield (c), 4 Bakkies Botha, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira
Replacements: 16 Schalk Brits, 17 Gurthro Steenkamp, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Flip van der Merwe, 20 Schalk Burger, 21 Fourie du Preez, 22 Johan Goosen, 23 Lwazi Mvovo

23 for the weekend.

Very surprising that he has picked the 7s star Cornal Hendricks at winger.....goes completely against Meyer thinking previously. I wonder where other hands at play here?. Either way its great to see him and he has been fantastic this year so far.

Really not sure why they are playing Bakkies, surely he deserves a rest ahead of the Rugby Championship? if he is going to play at all?. Its a very strong team and a very very strong bench. Hopefully Goosen and Du Preez gets on with 30 to go.

Swan Curry

Who are SA playing?

The Pheasant2

Swan Curry wrote: »

Who are SA playing?

Wales

Hurk

Swan Curry wrote: »

Who are SA playing?

It's a World XV this Saturday. Then two tests against Wales, followed by one against Scotland.

Swiwi.

Emperor1989 wrote: »

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cornal Hendricks, 13 JP Pietersen, 12 Frans Steyn, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Victor Matfield (c), 4 Bakkies Botha, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira
Replacements: 16 Schalk Brits, 17 Gurthro Steenkamp, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Flip van der Merwe, 20 Schalk Burger, 21 Fourie du Preez, 22 Johan Goosen, 23 Lwazi Mvovo

23 for the weekend.

Very surprising that he has picked the 7s star Cornal Hendricks at winger.....goes completely against Meyer thinking previously. I wonder where other hands at play here?. Either way its great to see him and he has been fantastic this year so far.

Really not sure why they are playing Bakkies, surely he deserves a rest ahead of the Rugby Championship? if he is going to play at all?. Its a very strong team and a very very strong bench. Hopefully Goosen and Du Preez gets on with 30 to go.

It's kind of back to the future. Looks like a decent set-up for 10-man power rugby with dead-eye dick Steyn or Steyn. Back 3 could be deadly though, Le Roux, Hendricks and Habana is classy.

matthew8

4 wingers in the backs, and the only "centre" in the 23 has played 10 mostly this year. In any case it's just a mickey mouse match. Bakkies doesn't need rest right now, he had a fairly long layoff with injury at Toulon and hasn't played that much.

Emperor1989

Swiwi. wrote: »

It's kind of back to the future. Looks like a decent set-up for 10-man power rugby with dead-eye dick Steyn or Steyn. Back 3 could be deadly though, Le Roux, Hendricks and Habana is classy.

Yes it is, but after the final test last year in the Rugby Championship we saw how the Boks could fling it. Now they didn't win but there was some huge growth in there attacking game. Its a shame that he has just picked power over guile in the center's. Jan Serfontein should be starting, its a no brainer.

Emperor1989

matthew8 wrote: »

4 wingers in the backs, and the only "centre" in the 23 has played 10 mostly this year. In any case it's just a mickey mouse match. Bakkies doesn't need rest right now, he had a fairly long layoff with injury at Toulon and hasn't played that much.

The JPP pick after a few hours reflection is horrific, what is Meyer doing when he has JJ and Serfontein waiting in the wings to play. Mind boggles.

Emperor1989

World XV: 15 James O'Connor, 14 Drew Mitchell, 13 Rene Ranger, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Hosea Gear, 10 Matt Giteau, 9 Rory Kockott, 8 Roger Wilson, 7 Steffon Armitage, 6 Mamuka Gorgodze, 5 Alistair Hargreaves, 4 Juandré Kruger, 3 Carl Hayman, 2 Craig Burden, 1 Sona Taumalolo.
Replacements: 16 Andrew Hore, 17 Schalk Ferreira, 18 Pat Cilliers, 19 Joe Tekori, 20 Alexandre Lapandry, 21 Jimmy Cowan, 22 François Trinh-Duc, 23 Benson Stanley.

Good team this....very good.

Teferi

Emperor1989 wrote: »

World XV: 15 James O'Connor, 14 Drew Mitchell, 13 Rene Ranger, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Hosea Gear, 10 Matt Giteau, 9 Rory Kockott, 8 Roger Wilson, 7 Steffon Armitage, 6 Mamuka Gorgodze, 5 Alistair Hargreaves, 4 Juandré Kruger, 3 Carl Hayman, 2 Craig Burden, 1 Sona Taumalolo.
Replacements: 16 Andrew Hore, 17 Schalk Ferreira, 18 Pat Cilliers, 19 Joe Tekori, 20 Alexandre Lapandry, 21 Jimmy Cowan, 22 François Trinh-Duc, 23 Benson Stanley.

Good team this....very good.

This is just a list of Toulons starting team next season.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Emperor1989 wrote: »

World XV: 15 James O'Connor, 14 Drew Mitchell, 13 Rene Ranger, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Hosea Gear, 10 Matt Giteau, 9 Rory Kockott, 8 Roger Wilson, 7 Steffon Armitage, 6 Mamuka Gorgodze, 5 Alistair Hargreaves, 4 Juandré Kruger, 3 Carl Hayman, 2 Craig Burden, 1 Sona Taumalolo.
Replacements: 16 Andrew Hore, 17 Schalk Ferreira, 18 Pat Cilliers, 19 Joe Tekori, 20 Alexandre Lapandry, 21 Jimmy Cowan, 22 François Trinh-Duc, 23 Benson Stanley.

Good team this....very good.

Wilson starting in a world xv, Interesting are we as a nation missing a trick there

Teferi wrote: »

This is just a list of Toulons starting team next season.

Do you know something we don't about Wilson.

The Pheasant2

Holy Zombie Jesus...please tell me this will be televised?

EDIT: Yes it is, Saturday will truly be a sumptuous feast of rugby

Emperor1989

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Holy Zombie Jesus...please tell me this will be televised?

EDIT: Yes it is, Saturday will truly be a sumptuous feast of rugby

I think the Boks have a big edge up front....they have a huge pack out for this one with plenty to come off the bench. However the World XV could be very dangerous with they sling the ball with that back line with inexpierenced bok center pairing at this level.

Will be a fascinating watch.

Emperor1989

Baby Boks look very good despite using 4 players in the last week.

Emperor1989

World XV giving the Boks a good lesson at the moment.

Emperor1989

Habana assist for Botha.

Habana looking very lively. Le Roux best player on the park.

Remmy

well done Bakkies

Emperor1989

Been a dire match so far.

Nothing to write home about.

Emperor1989

Du Preez coming on phewwwww

Emperor1989

Clancy never lets the game flow. Jesus...he is frustrating. Whistle happy!

Emperor1989

47-13 Final Score.

Poor match, learned very little.

The Pheasant2

Actually cannot stand Clancy. Crap ref.

Glass Prison 1214

Chiliboy Ralepelle tests positive for steroids. http://www.thescore.ie/chiliboy-ralepelle-anabolic-steroids-1506983-Jun2014/

Awful news, I have feared for a while that rugby has a drug problem. Hopefully it's an isolated case.

Emperor1989

Glass Prison 1214 wrote: »

Chiliboy Ralepelle tests positive for steroids. http://www.thescore.ie/chiliboy-ralepelle-anabolic-steroids-1506983-Jun2014/

Awful news, I have feared for a while that rugby has a drug problem. Hopefully it's an isolated case.

Not surprised, the sheer size of some of the South Africans means you have to question if this is all hard work or are they using illegal substances. This is especially prone in my opinion for the guys who are not 6 feet+, they have to compete and the only way they can is by becoming huge as they can't make themselves taller.

marc96

Emperor1989 wrote: »

Not surprised, the sheer size of some of the South Africans means you have to question if this is all hard work or are they using illegal substances. This is especially prone in my opinion for the guys who are not 6 feet+, they have to compete and the only way they can is by becoming huge as they can't make themselves taller.

So because saffers are genetically big u want to question the legality of their size?dutch are big,Samoans are big??

Emperor1989

marc96 wrote: »

So because saffers are genetically big u want to question the legality of their size?dutch are big,Samoans are big??

South African school boy rugby is riddled with PED cases.

Only last year a third of all school boys tested (sample of 62) tested for PED in a trial study. The holy trinity of schools Paarl Gym, Greys College and one in pretoria agreed to the study. There even has been reports of some students in the study suffering from kidney failure, heart problems etc due to the use of these PED's.

Its a ticking time bomb in South Africa that has only surfaced in the past few years, thankfully they are moving forward with more rigorous testing and agreement with the Schools but the danger and use is very real.

Just look at the size of some of the under age BOK teams they are bigger than the majority of full International Senior sides.

Emperor1989

Frans Steyn has been released by the Springboks at his own request and will not appear in Saturday's showdown with Wales at Kings Park in Durban.

The player advised SARU officials that he did not wish to be considered for the Series, with the Sharks centre explaining his shock decision.

"The environment in the Springbok squad is fantastic and I would like to state categorically that my relationship with Heyneke Meyer, the rest of the management and my team-mates is very good," said Steyn just days before the first Test.

Steyn - who is expected to take up a contract in Japan at the end of Super Rugby - said that he wished for time to reflect on his Springbok future. He indicated he would be available for the Sharks once the June internationals are completed.

"I have spoken at length to Frans and we are happy to accede to his request," said Jurie Roux, CEO of the South African Rugby Union (SARU).

"He has asked for some time to consider his international playing future and we must respect that. Let me make it clear that he has not retired from international rugby, but he has requested a break from it."

Roux added that Steyn had asked for privacy at this time.

"This is not an ideal situation, but, in other instances, sudden player absences through injury are not uncommon and I'm sure Heyneke and the selectors will adapt to his unavailability. Frans is now out of the squad and team management will respect his wish for privacy by not speculating on his decision or his likely return."

Has Steyn lost the plot altogether now or is he worried about his injury?

damianmcr

Why wouldnt they say that though? Springbok fans would have no problem accepting that. Plus he will return for the Sharks after the break and then continue to play in Japan.

Emperor1989

damianmcr wrote: »

Why wouldnt they say that though? Springbok fans would have no problem accepting that. Plus he will return for the Sharks after the break and then continue to play in Japan.

I find this strange....very strange tbh.

Emperor1989

I can't remember any other player to walk out on the Boks.

Some people on other forum's is that he is stopping playing with the Sharks also. Such a talent at such a young age and he hasn't really ever fulfilled it. Such a shame.

.ak

Obviously it's personal issues. He could be under a lot of stress or something lately and being in and out of international squads constantly may effect that.

thomond2006

.ak wrote: »

Obviously it's personal issues. He could be under a lot of stress or something lately and being in and out of international squads constantly may effect that.

Apparently it's a financial dispute with the union.

Emperor1989

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cornal Hendricks, 13 JP Pietersen, 12 Jan Serfontein, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Victor Matfield, 4 Bakkies Botha, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Gurthro Steenkamp.
Replacements: 16 Schalk Brits, 17 Tendai Mtawarira, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Lood de Jager, 20 Schalk Burger, 21 Ruan Pienaar, 22 Johan Goosen, 23 Lwazi Mvovo.

Team for Wales, delighted Du Preez is back and Hendricks keeps his position as he was very lively last weekend. Also interesting they dropped the Beast, I wonder is Meyer coming around to the fact that he can be inconsistent but I think its more likely to give him a rest. Also chuffed to see Jan Serfontein get his first start in a proper Test Match. It also interesting that JJ Englebrecht has been dropped completely from last year.

Look this is a proper test team now with the departure of Steyn at 12 thats a great help as he is struggling with an injury. Du Preez at 9 and with that huge physical pack its really starting to take shape with an exciting back 3. So happy now we are moving forward to what the team can be.


On another note I been reading up on Steyn, he is worried about his future with his bad knees but he has not been paid what he thought he would be and hence his move to Japan. I must admit I think Steyn's time has come and gone now, he is struggling with injury and at 27 years of age he is stopping the equally talented Jan Serfontein from making the place his own. Its such a huge shame what has happened to Francois Steyn, he is finished now in the BOK court of public opinion. Just really tragic......it just shows you when you go slightly off track how it can lead you down the completely wrong path.

Emperor1989

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