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AlanS181824

What would be the ideal attenuation for 100/20?

fat-tony

AlanS181824 wrote: »

What would be the ideal attenuation for 100/20?

Attenuation is a function of distance (and frequency). The shorter the distance, the lower the attenuation and the higher the speed potential. So to answer your question - round about your attenuation (or less).

Nonoperational

AlanS181824 wrote: »

What would be the ideal attenuation for 100/20?

The ideal attenuation is as low as possible, in real life that is being right next to a cabinet with a clean line. You are syncing at a stable 100Mbit with no issues. You're line is as good as you need for the products that are available at the moment. You won't be seeing over 100Mbit for years I'd imagine.

AlanS181824

fat-tony wrote: »

Attenuation is a function of distance (and frequency). The shorter the distance, the lower the attenuation and the higher the speed potential. So to answer your question - round about your attenuation (or less).

Can't multi quote as I'm on mobile but thanks to the both of ye for that.

When I had Vodafone before I had an attenuation of 20.1 then when I got Sky it jumped to 35 and now it's 13.7 I think.

Suppose I was just wondering :P

AlanS181824

Nonoperational wrote: »

The ideal attenuation is as low as possible, in real life that is being right next to a cabinet with a clean line. You are syncing at a stable 100Mbit with no issues. You're line is as good as you need for the products that are available at the moment. You won't be seeing over 100Mbit for years I'd imagine.

Can't multi quote as I'm on mobile but thanks to the both of ye for that.

Yeah I'd imagine Eircom will milk their VDSL for a good few years to come!

Although the ESB Fibre rollout might make them hurry up with an FTTH rollout.

airuser

Just a question.

Can Eircom limit the speed of what their competitors sell ?

AlanS181824

airuser wrote: »

Just a question.

Can Eircom limit the speed of what their competitors sell ?

I think technically speaking they probably can with QoS or limiting their profile or whatever but obviously they can't and would get into serious trouble with ComReg if they done so.

airuser

Just wondering. Thanks.

In 2 weeks time getting a SamKnows box. I'm getting nerdy before I may which ISP

crawler

airuser wrote: »

Just a question.

Can Eircom limit the speed of what their competitors sell ?

Technically anything is possible - but they don't. They have an obligation of non discrimiation anyway.

fat-tony

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Can't multi quote as I'm on mobile but thanks to the both of ye for that.

When I had Vodafone before I had an attenuation of 20.1 then when I got Sky it jumped to 35 and now it's 13.7 I think.

Suppose I was just wondering :P

With ADSL (VF, SKY) the attenuation measurement would have been based on the loop length from your house to the exchange. Not sure why it would have jumped unless you moved from ADSL (under 8Mb/s) to ADSL2+ (up to 24Mb/s) which would involve an increase in frequency (and thus attenuation, but not a 15dB rise!).

On VDSL the loop length is just from the cabinet to your house, so it is much shorter and the attenuation is less even though the frequency has risen. Make sense?

peking97

fat-tony wrote: »

Your attenuation is quite high at 17dB so you must be a good distance from the cabinet. At 9dB your SNR is no great shakes either, which means there is not much room for bumping up your speed until vectoring is turned on.

Thanks for the info. Is there any easy way to know if and when vectoring is enabled, from the stats page for example?

ED E

peking97 wrote: »

Thanks for the info. Is there any easy way to know if and when vectoring is enabled, from the stats page for example?

You'll see your SNR jump up a chunk all of a sudden.

PeadarB

peking97 wrote: »

Thanks for the info. Is there any easy way to know if and when vectoring is enabled, from the stats page for example?

Curiosity getting the better of me I checked the F1000 webpage via both IE and Firefox. Sure enough in IE on the "Network Setting" > "Broadband" > "Advanced" page the only xDLS settings ticked are "ADSL over PTM" which is marked as Disabled.
Checking the same page using Firefox I see that "ADSL over PTM" remains Disabled but "Annex M" is enabled as are "PhyR DS," and "SRA." PhyR US" is marked disabled. If, as I suspect, G.inp and SRA are features required to enable vectoring would it suggest that the indicators above show the implementation of vectoring or at least that the features to enable vectoring are present?

Nonoperational

G.INP and SRA are separate to vectoring.

godskitchen

Not sure what is going on with this connection today......

It was stuck on the 25/7 profile because of a billing name problem (apparently Eircom couldnt change the profile because the company name had a "&" in the name)

I log on this morning and see that the speed had been upped to 30/10......

I do a speed test and cant get above 22/4

So I restart and I get the below.....

Anyone have any idea?

I have had a hunch for a while that the line has a problem..... Its very stormy in that location today........

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 0 hour: 1 minute
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     11.229 Mbps       39.537 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     11.230 Mbps       39.538 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:        9.1 dB            8.9 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:        7.6 dBm          11.7 dBm
           Receive Power:       -6.7 dBm         -17.7 dBm
              Actual INP:       29.0 symbols      30.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       14.4 dB           29.4 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     11.510 Mbps       39.608 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  7.4    41.9    38.2     N/A    19.1    53.5    84.9   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  7.4    41.0    64.6     N/A    27.6    53.0     N/A   
        SNR Margin(dB):  9.2     9.1     8.9     N/A     8.8     8.8     N/A   
   Transmit Power(dBm):  0.6     6.1   - 2.4     N/A     9.8     7.2     N/A   
============================================================================

            VDSL Counters

           Downstream        Upstream
Since Link time = 1 min 41 sec
FEC:		0		4
CRC:		0		0
ES:		0		0
SES:		0		0
UAS:		0		0
LOS:		0		0
LOF:		0		0
LOM:		0		0
Latest 15 minutes time = 3 min 3 sec
FEC:		0		4
CRC:		0		0
ES:		0		0
SES:		0		0
UAS:		81		81
LOS:		0		0
LOF:		0		0
LOM:		0		0
Previous 15 minutes time = 0 sec
FEC:		0		0
CRC:		0		0
ES:		0		0
SES:		0		0
UAS:		0		0
LOS:		0		0
LOF:		0		0
LOM:		0		0
Latest 1 day time = 3 min 3 sec
FEC:		0		4
CRC:		0		0
ES:		0		0
SES:		0		0
UAS:		81		81
LOS:		0		0
LOF:		0		0
LOM:		0		0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC:		0		0
CRC:		0		0
ES:		0		0
SES:		0		0
UAS:		0		0
LOS:		0		0
LOF:		0		0
LOM:		0		0
Total time = 3 min 3 sec
FEC:		0		4
CRC:		0		0
ES:		0		0
SES:		0		0
UAS:		81		81
LOS:		0		0
LOF:		0		0
LOM:		0		0
============================================================================

Just got this on the latest speed test

AlanS181824

Just out of curiosity is anyone else taking part in the SamKnows broadband measurement campaign?

I got my Whitebox today and it's a TP Link N600.

jca

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity is anyone else taking part in the SamKnows broadband measurement campaign?

I got my Whitebox today and it's a TP Link N600.

Never heard of it. Any links?

AlanS181824

jca wrote: »

Never heard of it. Any links?

Here ye go.
http://www.samknows.ie/

jca

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Here ye go.
http://www.samknows.ie/

I just signed up. I'll let you know if I get a whitebox.

bloodyhawk

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity is anyone else taking part in the SamKnows broadband measurement campaign?

I got my Whitebox today and it's a TP Link N600.

Yeah, I am

ED E

I'd be slow to trust them with all my traffic.

frozenfrozen

Downstream Upstream
SNR Margin (dB): 12.3 29.0
Attenuation (dB): 31.0 15.5
Power (dBm): 16.3 0.1
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 10560 1332
Rate (Kbps): 7168 384
K (number of bytes in DMT frame): 225 13
R (number of check bytes in RS code word): 16 12
S (RS code word size in DMT frame): 1 4
D (interleaver depth): 32 8
Delay (msec): 8 8


Should I be getting better than

(Resold eircom via vodafone)
It's killing me seeing everyone else starting to get 100mbit connections :P

bloodyhawk

ED E wrote: »

I'd be slow to trust them with all my traffic.

You think?

jantheman91

Installed about 20 minutes ago.



Any tricks with the router settings I should know of? For gaming etc?

Also where do I find my attainable rate, under what setting?

dxhound2005

jantheman91 wrote: »

Installed about 20 minutes ago.



Any tricks with the router settings I should know of? For gaming etc?

Also where do I find my attainable rate, under what setting?

I know nothing about gaming. System Monitor then xDSL Statistics for attainable rate.

bluemachaveli

bloodyhawk

jantheman91 wrote: »

Installed about 20 minutes ago.



Any tricks with the router settings I should know of? For gaming etc?

Also where do I find my attainable rate, under what setting?

Set your MTU to 1492 and disable the firewall on your router.
also assign fastest DNS to your console.
Not to mention open your NAT.
(You will see an improvement gaming wise.)

jantheman91

bloodyhawk wrote: »

Set your MTU to 1492 and disable the firewall on your router.
also assign fastest DNS to your console.
Not to mention open your NAT.
(You will see an improvement gaming wise.)

Cheers!

It's dropped to 20 download now

I assume they're stress-testing it or something..

fat-tony

bluemachaveli wrote: »

The cabinet must be in your garden

jantheman91

jantheman91 wrote: »

Cheers!

It's dropped to 20 download now

I assume they're stress-testing it or something..

Getting worse.

I'm getting 0.9 download on Fibre at 150m from the cabinet.

This is beyond ridiculous.

AlanS181824

ED E wrote: »

I'd be slow to trust them with all my traffic.

In fairness to them I think all they do is just monitor the speeds and if there's any errors.

My setup has an absolute rats nest of cables now though!

AlanS181824

bluemachaveli wrote: »

Nice to see someone else on the 100/20 profile!
You've lower downstream attenuation than me but I've slightly higher attainables?
I know they don't matter at all but it's interesting to see.

Nonoperational

I'd say you have a very clean line Alan.

AlanS181824

Nonoperational wrote: »

I'd say you have a very clean line Alan.

Hopefully.
A lot of my neighbours have UPC, there's 1 or 2 Vodafone's, a few Sky's, an Eircom and I believe someone even has Imagine! :P

I wonder will if at all my stats be effected the more people get Fibre?

ED E

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Hopefully.
A lot of my neighbours have UPC, there's 1 or 2 Vodafone's, a few Sky's, an Eircom and I believe someone even has Imagine! :P

I wonder will if at all my stats be effected the more people get Fibre?

Your attainables might drop a little, but vectoring helps keep noise's effect low. Your local loop is so short it has very little length to actually have noise induced, so the chances of it becoming an issue are very slim.

fat-tony

jantheman91 wrote: »

Getting worse.

I'm getting 0.9 download on Fibre at 150m from the cabinet.

This is beyond ridiculous.

Have you changed any settings on the eircom modem/router? Can you print your DSL stats page from your router. I presume you are testing from a PC wired to the router.

Dublin_Gunner

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity is anyone else taking part in the SamKnows broadband measurement campaign?

I got my Whitebox today and it's a TP Link N600.

Yup. Should have it this week,

AlanS181824

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Yup. Should have it this week,

I have mine up and running a few days now.

Cool little device.

I think it ends in November or something.

jca

AlanS181824 wrote: »

I have mine up and running a few days now.

Cool little device.

I think it ends in November or something.

I submitted my email address to them but didn't hear anything yet.

PeadarB

AlanS181824 wrote: »

I have mine up and running a few days now.

Cool little device.

I think it ends in November or something.

I plugged it in on Friday and all the widgets should be firing by tonight. Interesting so far. Hard to beat the e-fibre stats page all the same but this should give some real life results over time, i.e., a decent reflection of actual speed and quality of connection.

jca

PeadarB wrote: »

I plugged it in on Friday and all the widgets should be firing by tonight. Interesting so far. Hard to beat the e-fibre stats page all the same but this should give some real life results over time, i.e., a decent reflection of actual speed and quality of connection.

I got the acceptance email today. Do ye have all traffic wireless and wired going through the white box?

PeadarB

jca wrote: »

I got the acceptance email today. Do ye have all traffic wireless and wired going through the white box?

It checks wired traffic only, or so it seems.

AlanS181824

jca wrote: »

I got the acceptance email today. Do ye have all traffic wireless and wired going through the white box?

It uses the wireless on the router to "monitor" traffic so basically the WiFi is disabled.

I got my log in details today and it's interesting to see how my connection is doing.

Be nice to get that free router at the end though!

What router model did everyone get btw?

I got this one.

Link.

ED E

Thats a sweet piece of kit.

jca

AlanS181824 wrote: »

It uses the wireless on the router to "monitor" traffic so basically the WiFi is disabled.

I got my log in details today and it's interesting to see how my connection is doing.

Be nice to get that free router at the end though!

What router model did everyone get btw?

I got this one.

Link.

That looks very nice indeed. Sorry to be a muppet here but do I disable the wifi in the Eircom supplied router and route everything through the black (white) box? If I get a fancy one like yours can I attach my usb printer to it?

AlanS181824

jca wrote: »

That looks very nice indeed. Sorry to be a muppet here but do I disable the wifi in the Eircom supplied router and route everything through the black (white) box? If I get a fancy one like yours can I attach my usb printer to it?

You'll probably get the same one I have alright.

You leave everything as normal except you connect the WhiteBox into an Ethernet port on your router and then you connect everything that was connected via ethernet on your router to the WhiteBox.

So if you had 2 DeskTops in ports 2 and 3 you just move them into the WhiteBox.

I'm probably over complicating it but hope it makes sense!

They've disabled the USB Ports sadly however, when I connect my USB Handdrive it lights up.

I suppose you could flash DDWrt when the testing period is over.

Dublin_Gunner

AlanS181824 wrote: »

It uses the wireless on the router to "monitor" traffic so basically the WiFi is disabled.

I got my log in details today and it's interesting to see how my connection is doing.

Be nice to get that free router at the end though!

What router model did everyone get btw?

I got this one.

Link.

Got this WR741ND.

However - I actually am not using ethernet for any devices (all in a other rooms to my router) and I have Eircom TV - would the TV work connected to the White device?

** actually, I have an old Eircom modem/router. I could theoretically use this as an AP to my PC only (via wireless) and connect the white device between this and my F1000 - would any of you network guru's think this might work?

ED E

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Got this WR741ND.

However - I actually am not using ethernet for any devices (all in a other rooms to my router) and I have Eircom TV - would the TV work connected to the White device?

** actually, I have an old Eircom modem/router. I could theoretically use this as an AP to my PC only (via wireless) and connect the white device between this and my F1000 - would any of you network guru's think this might work?

If you're using eVision I dont know if theres much point. The TV is hard QoS'd as part of a second vlan, it'll totally distort any testing done by the "whitebox" and Im not sure it'd work through it. Try it and see sure.

AlanS181824

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Got this WR741ND.

However - I actually am not using ethernet for any devices (all in a other rooms to my router) and I have Eircom TV - would the TV work connected to the White device?

** actually, I have an old Eircom modem/router. I could theoretically use this as an AP to my PC only (via wireless) and connect the white device between this and my F1000 - would any of you network guru's think this might work?

That's one of the original White boxes as far as I know.

To be honest I haven't a clue.

Edit: Ed E beat me to it!

peking97

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity is anyone else taking part in the SamKnows broadband measurement campaign?

I got my Whitebox today and it's a TP Link N600.

I notice it runs a custom firmware for the tests. Do you know if they load a useful firmware when test finishes?