WWE Payback PPV 16 June 2013 Post-Show Thread *Spoilers*

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WWE Payback Results
By Bill Pritchard for Wrestlezone.com
June 16th 2013

"Payback Kickoff" Pre Show
Sheamus vs Damien Sandow

Sandow and Sheamus exchange blows until Sheamus scoop slams Sandow for two, then Sandow backs him into the corner but Sheamus hits a Battering Ram. Sheamus follows Sandow outside and they trade some more punches, then Sandow sends him into the ringpost and puts him in a headlock. Sandow elbows him when he tries to break it and drop toe holds him into the corner, then they fight on the floor before Sandow connects with the Elbow of Disdain for two, then he applies a side headlock on the mat as we cut to a break. We get back to see Sandow club Sheamus in the chest, then he knocks him back down but Sheamus comes back with an electric chair drop. Sheamus hits a few forearm shots and tackles Sandow in the corner, then Sandow throws him outside and hits a running kneelift.

Sandow connects with a spinning neckbreaker for two, then he gets tossed over the ropes and Sheamus kicks him in the head and clubs his chest. Sheamus pulls him over and hits a rolling fireman's carry slam for two, then he heads up top but Sandow cuts him off and drops him with a hanging neckbreaker. Sheamus tries to get in some offense but Sandow reverses it and hits a straightjacket neckbreaker, then he makes the cover but somehow Sheamus kicks out. Sandow gets pissed and hits him a few times before sending him up top, then he connects with a fallaway slam but Sheamus comes right back with an Irish Curse backbreaker. Sheamus hits two more before calling for the end, then he backs into the corner before hitting the Brogue Kick for the win.

Winner - Sheamus

Intercontinental Championship
The Miz vs Curtis Axel (w/ Paul Heyman) vs Wade Barrett (c)

Miz ducks a clothesline by Wade and hits Axel a few times, then he throws him outside and gets a near fall on Wade before Heyman distracts him. Wade uses it to hit Miz from behind, then Miz gets sent into the ropes but he slides through the ropes and tries to kick Axel in the head. We head back inside and see a few reversals, then Wade hits Miz with a big boot for two, and he hits Miz in the head and places him on the ropes. Wade hits a few kidney punches and mocks the crowd, then he he gets a near fall but Axel breaks it up and continues to stand with Heyman at ringside. Wade kicks Miz and cuts off Axel on the apron, then he knees him a few times before Miz tries to steal it with a rollup. He hits a backbreaker but Axel reverses a backbreaker, then he sends Miz into the corner and punches him several times in the face.


Axel kicks him a few times and gets a near fall, then he knees Miz in the stomach and steps on his face before elbowing him in the head. Axel punches Miz in the back to keep him down, then Miz kicks him into the ropes and whips him before hitting a release suplex for two. Wade breaks it up and sends Miz into the corner, then he punches him a few times before taunting the crowd and whipping Axel across the ring. Miz comes back with some clotheslines and a big boot to Wade, then he stacks them both in the corner and sets up a running corner clothesline. Axel ducks but Miz hits Wade, then he knocks Axel on the mat and gets a near fall before setting up Wade for a Figure Four leglock.

Wade kicks him away and hits Winds of Change for two, then Axel goes for a Perfect Plex but Wade counters with a Wasteland attempt. Axel counters and kicks Miz back, then he hits a Perfect Plex but Miz breaks it up and hits a Skull Crushing Finale. Wade throws him out of the ring and tries to steal the pin, but Miz pulls him outside and throws him into the barricade before he gets a two count on Axel. Miz hits a running corner dropkick and looks for a Figure Four, but Axel kicks him away and Wade tries to attack him. Miz ducks and throws Axel outside, then he puts Wade in the Figure Four but Axel runs back in and pins Wade while the Figure Four is locked in and wins it.

Winner and NEW Intercontinental Champion - Curtis Axel

Divas Championship
AJ Lee (w/ Big E Langston) vs Kaitlyn (c)

AJ mocks Kaitlyn by blowing her a kiss, so Kaitlyn tackles her and beats her at ringside before throwing her over the broadcast table. Kaitlyn throws her in the ring and punches her a few times, then AJ tries to get away so Kaitlyn follows. AJ dropkicks her from the apron and gets a near fall, then she chokes Kaitlyn on the ropes before slignshotting her back and getting another near fall. AJ applies a three-quarters facelock but Kaitlyn breaks it with a few left hands, then AJ pulls her hair and connects with a facebuster for two. AJ picks her up and hits two consecutive neckbreakers for two, then she slaps Kaitlyn and taunts her before ducking a punch and applying a headlock.

Kaitlyn fights back so AJ sends her to the mat, then she hits a spin kick and run to the ropes but Kaitlyn kicks her and knocks her down. Kaitlyn gets back up and hits a few clotheslines for two, then they exchange a few rollup attempts before Kaitlyn puts AJ on her shoulder and hits a gutbuster. AJ goes for the ropes so the ref calls for a break, but Kaitlyn slaps her butt and drags her back to the middle of the ring. AJ crawls back to the apron and pulls it, then the ref fixes the apron as AJ takes a cheap shot at Kaitlyn and almost steals it with a rollup. AJ flips out and screams about the near fall, then she heads up top and goes for a crossbody but Kaitlyn catches her in midair.

Kaitlyn attempts to spin her but AJ counters with the Black Widow, then Kaitlyn powers out and hits a backbreaker and a spear. Kaitlyn mocks her by blowing her a kiss and slamming her head on the mat, then she makes a cover but AJ somehow kicks out so Kaitlyn tries for a fireman's carry slam. AJ counters so Kaitlyn charges her in the corner, and AJ jumps on the turnbuckles to avoid it and Kaitlyn hits the turnbuckles. AJ taunts her before putting her back in the Black Widow, then Kaitlyn tries to break it but AJ locks it in and finally gets her to tap out. Layla comes out and helps Kaitlyn to the back as she continues to cry, then a few other Divas walk over and try to comfort her as she runs off.

Winner and NEW Divas Champion - AJ Lee

United States Championship
Kane vs Dean Ambrose (c)

Ambrose hits Kane and taunts him, then Kane sends him into the corner and elbows him before sending him in the ropes and hitting a suplex for two. Kane applies a headlock but Ambrose breaks it with some jabs, then Kane hits a sidewalk slam and kicks Ambrose in the back. Kane staggers him with an uppercut, and whips him into the ropes, then he punches him a few times before hitting another uppercut in the corner. He whips Ambrose across the ring but Ambrose springs back and dropkicks Kane's knee, then he shoves him in the corner and hits him a few times before taking him down with a leg whip. Ambrose chokes him on the roeps and takes him down with another leg whip, then he drops an elbow on him before getting a near fall.

Kane comes back with a powerslam, then he hits a big boot and heads up top, but Ambrose cuts him off and hits him before going for a superplex. Kane blocks it and shoves him back, then he goes for a clothesline but Ambrose rolls through to avoid it, then he elbows Kane and puts him in an inverted facelock. Ambrose switches to a sleeperhold but Kane stands up and slams him in the corner, then Ambrose tries to go up top but Kane sees it and punches him in the air. Kane kicks Ambrose in the head and connects with a dropkick for two, then he sends him into the ropes but Ambrose ducks and goes for a sunset flip. Kane grabs him by the throat so Ambrose takes a cheap shot, then he mocks him and slaps him in the face before getting a near fall.

Ambrose does the throat slash gesture and tries to do Undertaker's 'Old School,' but Kane armdrags him across the ring and drops him with a clothesline. Kane keeps it going with a sidewalk slam and a top rope clothesline, then he calls for a chokeslam but Ambrose rolls to the apron. Ambrose snaps his head on the ropes but Kane comes right back with a big boot, then Ambrose slaps Kane on the floor so Kane drops him with an uppercut. Kane starts to dismantle the broadcast table and grabs Ambrose by the throat, but Ambrose counters with a DDT on the floor and reenters the ring, and Kane is unable to make the ten count.

Winner (by countout) Dean Ambrose

World Heavyweight Championship
Alberto Del Rio (w/ Ricardo Rodriguez) vs Dolph Ziggler (w/ Big E Langston & AJ Lee)

Dolph stalls a bit but Alberto hits a backbreaker, then Dolph rolls outside and takes a breather before rolling back in and tying up with Alberto in the corner. Dolph hits him a few times but Alberto swings right back, then Alberto counters an Irish whip across the ring with an elbow to the head. Alberto tries to attack again but Dolph rolls to the floor, then the ref tries to back him away but Alberto goes after him and kicks him in the head a few times. Dolph looks to be dazed but comes back with a quick dropkick, then he runs across the ring but Alberto backdrops him on the floor.

Alberto throws Dolph headfirst into the broadcast table, then Langston shoves him and tries to back him off but the ref throws Langston out and makes him leave. Dolph fights back with a few punches but Alberto throws him back into the table, then Dolph hits him and rolls him in the ring as AJ checks on Dolph. Alberto catches him offguard with a superkick, then he repeatedly punches Dolph in the head and gets a two count as AJ screams at him to stop. Alberto applies a side headlock but Dolph breaks it with some right hands, then Alberto pulls him back by the neck and punches his back. He sets up for a suplex but Dolph floats over and puts him in a sleeperhold, then he gets Alberto on the mat but Alberto throws him into the turnbuckles. Alberto hits him several times in the head and connects with a Backstabber for two, then he calls for the Cross Armbreaker but Dolph counters with a neckbreaker for two.

Dolph hits Alberto a few times and hits a legdrop bulldog for two, then he tries to set up on the top rope but Alberto cuts him off. Alberto hits him and connects with an inverted superplex for two, then he dropkicks Dolph through the ropes and goes to the apron and kicks him in the face. A doctor comes out and checks on Dolph, and Alberto tries to get the match to continue as AJ pleads for them to stop. Alberto kicks him in the back of the head and rolls him in the ring, then Ricardo screams at him to finish it as he hits an enziguiri. Alberto makes a cover but Dolph kicks out at two, then Alberto gets pissed and slams Dolph's head on the mat as the crowd starts to turn on him. Alberto taunts him and waits for Dolph to get up, then Dolph pops up and surprises him with a kick to the head and a Zig Zag. Dolph tries to get up but he is unable to do it quick enough, and Alberto superkicks him just as he does and Alberto makes the cover.

Winner and NEW World Heavyweight Championship - Alberto Del Rio

Alberto celebrates on the ramp and the crowd boos him for it, then AJ begins to cry as she realizes that Dolph is pretty out of it. He struggles to stand up after a doctor helps him up, then he falls at the bottom of the ramp and holds his head before he heads backstage. Alberto comes back out and cuts a promo about how he proved he is the best, but the crowd just boos him as he asks them to celebrate and support him. He says he deserved to win this championship, and he wants them all to cheer his hard work, but they just boo as Ricardo yells him name.

Chris Jericho vs CM Punk (w/ Paul Heyman)

Jericho backs Punk into the corner and shoves him, then Punk shoves him back and they stand off before Jericho applies a waistlock. Punk counters it, then they both trade off on some holds before Punk hits a snapmare and they lock back up in the center of the ring. Jericho puts him in a side headlock, then Punk throws him into the ropes so Jericho hits a shoulder tackle, then he runs the ropes but Punk sends him to the mat. Punk goes to a side headlock and hits some close range shoulder blocks, then he kicks Jericho in the shoulder and sends him into the corner. They trade some chops before Jericho stomps him in the corner, then he whips him across the ring but Punk clotheslines him and hits him in the corner.

Jericho throws him back across the ring and knocks him outside, then he goes after him but Punk knocks him down and comes back in with a double axe handle smash. Punk applies an elevated armbar but Jericho breaks it, then Punk puts him in a legscissors armbar and tries to roll him on his shoulder. Jericho throws a few punches to break it, then he kicks Punk in the corner and whips him to the oppoosite corner, only to have Punk kick him in the head. Punk takes a bit before going for a springboard move, then he jumps off the ropes but Jericho ducks and clotheslines him. Jericho hits a double axe handle smash and a bulldog, then he taunts the crowd and goes for a Lionsault, which Punk avoids. Punk counters with a DDT for two, then he whips Jericho into the corner and connects with a corner knee strike.

Punk goes for a bulldog but Jericho throws him across the ring, then he hits a Lionsault for two before kicking Punk in the back of the head and shoulders. Punk comes back with a GTS attempt but Jericho counters with Walls of Jericho, and Heyman shouts encouragement to Punk as he reaches for the ropes. Punk grabs Jericho's leg and pulls himself up, then he puts him in a standing choke before applying the Anaconda Vise. Jericho makes it to the ropes to break the hold, then Punk calls for another GTS and he lifts Jericho and screams 'Blackhawks in seven.' Jericho avoids the strike and tries to attack, then Punk goes the move again but Heyman gets on the apron and accidentally distracts him.

Jericho tries to steal it with a rollup but Punk kicks out, then Punk kicks him in the head but Jericho stuns him with a Codebreaker for two. Jericho hits Punk a few times and kicks him in the back, then he tells Punk to stay down before he punches him a few times and follows him around the ring. Punk starts to hit him back and kicks him a few times, then he connects with a leaping heel kick and a running running in the corner. Punk knocks him on the mat before heading up top, then he connects with a flying elbow drop before calling for the finish. Punk lifts him and hits the Go To Sleep, but Jericho narrowly kicks out and Punk starts to feed off of the crowd chants and goes for another GTS.

Jericho counters and sets up a Codebreaker but Punk throws him back, then he clotheslines him to the floor and sends him into the barricade after a suicide dive. Punk rolls him in and tries to springboard back in, but Jericho catches him with a midair Codebreaker for a very close near fall. Jericho can't believe it and argues with the count, then he punches Punk in the back of the head and repeatedly elbows his chest. Jericho sets up for Walls of Jericho but Punk blocks it and gets a two count rollup, then they trade strikes and Punk goes for a hurricanrana. Jericho counters and puts him in the Walls of Jericho, then Punk punches him and breaks it before hitting the Go To Sleep two consecutive times for the win.

Winner - CM Punk

WWE Tag Team Championship
Randy Orton & Daniel Bryan vs The Shield (c)

Bryan kicks Reigns in the corner but Reigns comes back with some right hands, then he distracts the ref so Rollins can hit him before tagging out. Reigns whips Rollins into Bryan and clotheslines him, then Reigns tags back in and applies a headlock that Bryan tries to break. Reigns knocks him down on the mat and puts him back in a headlock, but Bryan makes it to his feet and elbows him, then he knocks him down with a clothesline. Bryan finally gets the tag and Orton connects with a hanging DDT, then he whips Rollins across the ring and runs into a kick to the head. Orton comes back with some strikes and another hanging DDT, then he calls for a RKO but Rollins rolls outside. Reigns drops Orton with a Superman punch, then Rollins rolls in and stomps Orton a few times before tagging out, and Reigns continues to stomp Orton.


Reigns chokes him with his boot in the corner, then Rollins kicks him in the back of the head, and Rollins gets back in and slams Orton into the corner after a drop toe hold. Reigns puts him in a headlock but Orton punches him a few times, then Reigns comes back with a Samoan drop for a near fall. Rollins works to keep Orton down but he suplexes him into the corner, then Bryan finally gets the tag and comes in with a missile dropkick. Bryan goes crazy and dropkicks both guys, then he kicks Reigns in the chest and head to get a near fall. Bryan whips him into the ropes but Reigns kicks him in the chest, then Bryan backdrops him on the floor and sends Rollins right after him.

Bryan hits the ropes and goes for a suicide dive, but Rollins and Reigns dive away and Bryan ends up hitting Orton on the floor and sending him into the barricade. They take Bryan back into the ring but he connects with some thrust kicks and a underhook superplex, then he goes for the NO Lock but it gets broken up. Bryan puts Rollins in the NO Lock but Reigns breaks it up, then Orton comes back in and tries to RKO Reigns but he gets shoved back. Orton avoids running into Bryan and turns and RKO's Reigns, then they fight at ringside as Rollins surprises Bryan with a kick to the head to win.

Winners - The Shield

WWE Championship (Three Stages of Hell)
Ryback vs John Cena

First Fall: Lumberjack Match

Cena tries to lock up, but Ryback pushes him back into the corner and stomps him a few times, then Cena tries to fight back but Ryback slams him down. Ryback hits a fallaway slam, then he charges Cena but Cena avoids it and Ryback goes shoulder first into the ringpost. Cena ends up on the floor but no one attacks him, then he rolls back in and Ryback headbutts him and puts him in a rear chin lock. Cena makes it to his feet and shoulders Ryback, then Ryback answers back with a shoulder block, and follows it with a backpack stunner. Ryback throws Cena to the floor and the lumberjacks attack him, then he gets thrown in the ring but Ryback just throws him back out and lets the lumberjacks beat him up some more.

Ryback stomps Cena a few times but Cena comes back with some flying shoulder tackles a belly-to-belly suplex, then he calls for a Five Knuckle Shuffle but Ryback avoids it. Ryback press slams Cena outside and the lumberjacks beat him up a bit, then he's rolled in the ring and Ryback calls for Shell Shocked but Cena throws him outside. It's somewhat calm at first but everyone ends up fighting with Ryback, then Cena heads up top and takes them all out with a flying crossbody. Both guys get back in the ring and Cena applies the STF, but Ryback gets Cena on his shoulders and lifts him up and hits Shell Shocked for the first fall.

First Fall - Ryback

Ryback spears Cena into the corner and goes out and gets a table, then he sets it up in the ring and tries to powerbomb Cena but Cena kicks it away. Cena tries to shoulder tackle Ryback but Ryback pushes him back and spears him, then he tries to press slam Cena but Cena falls to his feet and shoulders Ryback near the ropes. Ryback flips the table, but Cena attacks him and they fall to the floor, then Cena whips Ryback shoulder first into the ring steps. Ryback picks up the stairs and throws them inside, then he attempts to hit Cena in the head with them but Cena avoids it and Ryback ends up throwing them through the table. Cena gets another table and brings it inside, then he blocks a chair shot by Ryback and avoids another strike with the stairs. Ryback breaks another table so he gets mad at throws the steps at Cena, but they miss and Cena hits a suplex and Five Knuckle Shuffle. Cena goes for an Attitude Adjustment, but Ryback counters with a spinebuster and a Meathook before getting another table. Ryback brings it in and sets it up, then he looks for Shell Shocked but Cena counters with an Attitude Adjustment through the table to take the second fall.

Second Fall - John Cena

Ryback gets pissed and throws Cena right outside, then he takes the broadcast table apart and powerbombs Cena right through it. Ryback throws him in the ring and punches him several times in the corner, then he picks him up and throws him out to the floor. Ryback puts Cena on his shoulder and carries him towards the ambulance, but Cena breaks free and shoves Ryback before getting some weapons. Cena finds some crutches in the cab and throws them towards Ryback, then Ryback swings at him but ends up punching the ambulance. Cena hits him with a crutch and slams him into the side of the ambulance, then Ryback elbows Cena and opens the door of the ambulance. Ryback whips him but Cena reverses it, and Ryback takes the door right off it's hinges so Cena picks it up and hits him in the face with it. Cena tries to put Ryback in the ambulance but Ryback backs him away with a headbutt, then Ryback tears the fender off of the ambulance and hits Cena a few times with it. Ryback tries to powerbomb Cena into the windshield but Cena backdrops him on it, then Cena climbs the ambulance and hits Ryback in the face with the light bar. Ryback psyches himself up and gets some crutches, then he climbs the ambulance but Cena grabs the crutch and hits him with it before sending him through the roof following an Attitude Adjustment.

Winner - John Cena

Lord TSC

This show was, to be blunt and in my opinion, fantastic.

The IC title match had a great ending. The Divas match was actually really solid, with a great story. The US title match was solid as well. RVD returns, and they're saving it for a PPV? Shows confidence in him.

The World title match was fascinating. I never, ever expected a double turn, nor that they'd actually manage to pull it off so brilliantly. Just, from a story point of view, a brilliant, brilliant match. It's a shame Ziggler lost the title straight away, but the story completely warranted it, and I can't wait to see what they do with Ziggler now.

Punk vs Jericho started slow, but by the end, I was grinning ear to ear. Loved the ending, loved most of the match, and the crowd were great. Between this and the WHC match, WWE could not have wished for a better crowd tonight.

The tag title match was logical and solid.

And the 3 Stages of Hell match was pretty good too, given the participants. The Lumberjack match had an awesome spot. The tables match was familiar to anyone who went to the last show in Dublin. And although I could see it coming, the end to the ambulance match was fun as well.

Some great wrestling, stories all progressed logically and brilliantly in some cases. Easy 8/10 show for me.

andyman

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

The World title match was fascinating. I never, ever expected a double turn, nor that they'd actually manage to pull it off so brilliantly. Just, from a story point of view, a brilliant, brilliant match. It's a shame Ziggler lost the title straight away, but the story completely warranted it, and I can't wait to see what they do with Ziggler now.

This for me. Everyone was expecting Ziggler to retain but nobody expected a double turn in this manner. It was genius and I think Creative have done the right thing here, as this allows Ziggler to turn face (which was rumoured for a long time) and when he regains the title, which I think he inevitably will, he can have a proper run at being Champion. His time off really hindered his run as Champion in my opinion. Makes me really looking forward to Raw tonight. What will they do with AJ and Big E, though? Face turns for them too or will Big E be AJ's latest and they turn on Dolph? I hope the former, purely because I think Big E would make an awesome face. I can see him going against ADR tonight, actually, if there's no rematch. If there is a rematch, I think ADR will just punish Ziggler to the point that the match has to be stopped.

Mr.Saturn

I'd echo that sentiment x10. Going in, I, and just about everyone else, was anticipating a Ziggler victory and ADR going off on his merry way as a failing face. This came completely out of leftfield, and turned the least interesting feud going into Payback into the most intriguing coming out.

rovert

A 7.

Worthwhile show with some strong matches and most key a bunch of new/refreshed characters building on their momentum.

Slow full babyface turn tease for Punk on the App:

Slyy_Gil

have to have low expectations going into a lot of ppv's nowadays, so i guess this one exceeded those expectations

SlickRic

Punk/Lesnar has too much potential to not happen.

i wouldn't be surprised if they're starting to drop hints for that towards Mania.

i know I've said, and many have assumed, that Rock might be the one for Lesnar at Mania 30, but realistically, as many have pointed out, he won't risk it with Brock's heavy style.

i've also mentioned Bryan/Punk for Mania, but let's face it, that won't be big enough for Punk by then.

i'm going to hang my coat firmly on the Punk/Lesnar mast for now

Lord TSC

I'd say Punk/Lesnar might be happening sooner tbh, like at Summerslam.

I don't think they can keep Heyman and Punk together for long if Punk goes face. So they'll need Heyman to turn on Punk soon (maybe even tonight), accusing Punk of abandoning him, letting Jericho humiliate him, etc etc. Could even have Punk vs Axel for Money in the Bank, with Brock helping Axel win and setting up Punk vs Brock at Summerslam.

SlickRic

it could well be Summerslam.

i think that'd be shooting the load very quickly on it though.

andyman

rovert wrote: »

Slow full babyface turn tease for Punk on the App:

I thought this during the match. The point where Punk was distracted by Heyman on the steps when trying for a GTS and nearly lost as a result, and the point where Punk listened to the chants of "One More Time".

It's definitely happening, I reckon. Another segment that could be interesting tonight.

cena

I must say the last match was poor. Such a crap way to end the match. That ambulance must be paper thin

Looper007

andyman wrote: »

This for me. Everyone was expecting Ziggler to retain but nobody expected a double turn in this manner. It was genius and I think Creative have done the right thing here, as this allows Ziggler to turn face (which was rumoured for a long time) and when he regains the title, which I think he inevitably will, he can have a proper run at being Champion. His time off really hindered his run as Champion in my opinion. Makes me really looking forward to Raw tonight. What will they do with AJ and Big E, though? Face turns for them too or will Big E be AJ's latest and they turn on Dolph? I hope the former, purely because I think Big E would make an awesome face. I can see him going against ADR tonight, actually, if there's no rematch. If there is a rematch, I think ADR will just punish Ziggler to the point that the match has to be stopped.

I see AJ/Big E walking away from Dolph when he's in the armbar during a match. AJ only turned heel and Big E looks like he going to get pushed. It would certainly cement Ziggler's turn. He needs to go it alone at last.


Anyway good PPV probably the best this year

The triple threat IC match was fine
The Diva's match was fine
Ambrose vs Kane was a disappointment
The WHC match was great storytelling and switch
Punk vs Jericho wasn't their best match but seen Punk back was great
The tag Team was good for the time they got. Can WWE give Bryan some bloody time at PPV's to shine. He was great in the match.
The Main even wasn't great just cause you knew Cena win.

I'm hoping for a great Raw tonight.

Clemantis

It was announced last night at the Payback PPV that Rob Van Dam will be returning to the WWE. What do you think his role should be?

He probably has a large enough fan-base to be launched as a top guy, and could easily be slotted into the title picture. Cena needs a new challenge.

He could be used lower down the card. Matches with any of Paul Heyman's guys could be awesome. There is also the Shield. Meanwhile, guys like Sheamus, Randy, Big Show and now Ryback have nothing going on.

He could be used as a spot monkey. I don't mean this in a negative way. He will be returning for Money in the Bank, a match he could add greatly to. Lets face it, nobody is excited about the thought of what Ted DiBiase Jr. might do with a ladder, whereas you know RVD is going to do something crazy.

Alternatively, they could partner him up with one of the up-and-comers that is struggling to get over, a sort of a mentorship role. Justin Gabriel springs to mind, but I'm sure there are others.



I'm excited for his return, even after the misadventure he had in TNA. If the right RVD turns up, I think the WWE could do some great things with him.

Omackeral

Singlet on a Pole match vs Ryback.

Joint on a Pole match vs Swagger.

Omackeral

I'd love to know what joker gave this a 1/10 in the poll. A great 'B' Show if ever I saw one. Double turns, new guys getting established, returns, story progression, title changes and great action. The mind boggles.

the groutch

why did Clemantis get an infraction there? the thread title says there's spoilers.

Nody

the groutch wrote: »

why did Clemantis get an infraction there? the thread title says there's spoilers.

I'd take a guess rule 1 from the charter but I'm not the mod around here

1. If you are going to post spoilers, etc - please title your thread with "Show name - spoilers". To use spoiler tags in a post, type the spoiler in between

and

, without the spaces. With regard to PPV spoilers, please refrain from posting untagged results or anything pertaining to the PPV until at least the following wednesday after a PPV. Some people do not get to see PPVs live and wait a day or two. So to be fair to all, use spoiler tags, no matter what thread it is. Zero tolerance here folks.

Nuri Sahin

Polls shouldn't be hidden IMO.

Insect Overlord

Just watching this now. Barrett/The Miz/Curtis Axel was a fantastic match. Unreal atmosphere. Just brilliant!

Omackeral

the groutch wrote: »

why did Clemantis get an infraction there? the thread title says there's spoilers.

He had it as a stand alone thread outside of the Payback one. Mods must've moved it.

JP Liz V1

The double turn was great

Clemantis

the groutch wrote: »

why did Clemantis get an infraction there? the thread title says there's spoilers.

My bad: I started a new thread that didn't warn people there would be a spoiler. Actually, I didn't even think it was a spoiler, seeing as how it was just an announcement and was unrelated to any match result or storyline. I'll know better for the future.

starviewadams

Good enough show,not been watching regularly for the last month or so, but glad I downloaded it.

IC triple threat was fantastic with a inventive finish.Thought Miz did very well too.

Kaitlyn/AJ told was very good,and told a great story.Pity the uber smart fans shat all over Kaitlyn afterwards though.

Kane/Ambrose was mediocre.

Alberto/Ziggler was a bit botchy,but the double turn was executed surprisingly well.

Jericho/Punk was a bit meh and meaningless but had a few decent spots.Tme for Jericho to take another holiday I think.

Bryan/Orton vs Shield was very well paced and enjoyable,and the finish was nicely done.Very interested in a Bryan/Orton feud.

Cena/Ryback was good chaotic fun,hopefully Cena moves on to a feud with Henry now.

Hammar

Lads/Ladies,
Would anyone agree with me that Ryback after last night's defeat has officially been ruined by the WWE and cannot be taken seriously anymore as a legitimate threat( at least for the time being) after being fed to Cena yet again. It is just hard to take a guy seriously who has lost every single PPV match he has been in(with the exception of the no contest at Extreme Rules). I think the WWE have done a horrendous job with a guy who had a fair degree of potential.

Sirsok

Hammar wrote: »

Lads/Ladies,
Would anyone agree with me that Ryback after last night's defeat has officially been ruined by the WWE and cannot be taken seriously anymore as a legitimate threat( at least for the time being) after being fed to Cena yet again. It is just hard to take a guy seriously who has lost every single PPV match he has been in(with the exception of the no contest at Extreme Rules). I think the WWE have done a horrendous job with a guy who had a fair degree of potential.

That's what wwe have done for years, build up people as big threats only to feed them to the bigger stars and then taper off Bundy, umaga, Gonzales, slaughter etc they can always bring him back though, any consistent enough push and no one will remember his recent run

Riddle101

Hammar wrote: »

Lads/Ladies,
Would anyone agree with me that Ryback after last night's defeat has officially been ruined by the WWE and cannot be taken seriously anymore as a legitimate threat( at least for the time being) after being fed to Cena yet again. It is just hard to take a guy seriously who has lost every single PPV match he has been in(with the exception of the no contest at Extreme Rules). I think the WWE have done a horrendous job with a guy who had a fair degree of potential.

Well I don't think he's too bad tbh. They came to a draw at Extreme Rules, which to me was WWE's way of putting Ryback over. But also keeping the title on Cena. At Payback, he won the first match in the 2 out of 3 falls match. While Cena won the match, the way I see it. Ryback beating him in the first match shows that he actually can beat Cena, and gave him a bit of a rub. But I honestly don't think Ryback has been ruined. They seem content on pushing Ryback, so as long as he had that backing he shouldn't be too bad. He's by no means worse off then Dolph Ziggler that's for sure.

martingriff

andyman wrote: »

I thought this during the match. The point where Punk was distracted by Heyman on the steps when trying for a GTS and nearly lost as a result, and the point where Punk listened to the chants of "One More Time".

It's definitely happening, I reckon. Another segment that could be interesting tonight.

Say is it is a face turn Axel will be involved. May not happen for a while may be a slow burner with the 2 of them at each other

martingriff

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

This show was, to be blunt and in my opinion, fantastic.

The IC title match had a great ending. The Divas match was actually really solid, with a great story. The US title match was solid as well. RVD returns, and they're saving it for a PPV? Shows confidence in him.

The World title match was fascinating. I never, ever expected a double turn, nor that they'd actually manage to pull it off so brilliantly. Just, from a story point of view, a brilliant, brilliant match. It's a shame Ziggler lost the title straight away, but the story completely warranted it, and I can't wait to see what they do with Ziggler now.

Punk vs Jericho started slow, but by the end, I was grinning ear to ear. Loved the ending, loved most of the match, and the crowd were great. Between this and the WHC match, WWE could not have wished for a better crowd tonight.

The tag title match was logical and solid.

And the 3 Stages of Hell match was pretty good too, given the participants. The Lumberjack match had an awesome spot. The tables match was familiar to anyone who went to the last show in Dublin. And although I could see it coming, the end to the ambulance match was fun as well.

Some great wrestling, stories all progressed logically and brilliantly in some cases. Easy 8/10 show for me.

Wonder will AJ and Langston follow him or go on there own or with Del Rio.

The IC I liked was a finish I have not seen for while. There was a finish like it in a triple treat years ago for some title where Benoit and Jericko make someone tap out at the same time but match kept going. World Title I think

DM_7

Watching this now really enjoying it. I get a double turn vibe off both groups here, if Del Rio is heel so is Ricardo. I can see AJ and Big E face since Ziggler is, they could be a great DX style group and could take on The Shield later on.

EDIT: or maybe not going by AJs reluctance to get close to Dolph at the end. Could go either way I suppose.

Machismo Fan

Clemantis wrote: »

I'm excited for his return, even after the misadventure he had in TNA. If the right RVD turns up, I think the WWE could do some great things with him.

And he'll be able to coast by doing his regular stuff in WWE much easier.

Ando's Saggy Bottom

8/10.

Great show. In ring everything was very good apart from the man which was passable.

Loved the IC Match finish especially.

Not sure why they're making a big deal of the return of a guy TNA even had no use for though.

CastorTroy

Trust Layla, the woman who gets a cheap feel in during matches, to be the one to come out to comfort a vulnerable Kaitlyn. :pac:
Kaitlyn could've easily got out of the hold by falling back on top of AJ.

For the IC match, how often have we seen the ref count a pin when a guy is in a submission hold like that. So shouldn't the win have gon eto both Axel and Miz?

I was sure Punk was going to follow his "It's clobberin time" with a "Snikt!". Anyone else think he looked pretty old?

Del Rio was just a real dick during that match. I can't see AJ turning face now with the way she's treated Kaitlyn lately with Kaitlyn due a rematch as well. I'd say we'll have AJ saying how since she's now champ she can't be seen with a loser like Ziggler. And this will be backed up by Big E who didn't come out to help Ziggler get back to the locker room after the match.
I know it was a heel turn for him, but I didn't like how Del Rio kicked the Divas chamiponship like that. It mightn't be the most important title but it's just disrespectful.

By the time Ryback and Cena came out I was thinking if you took those guys out of the WWE, you could still easily fill a PPV with mostly smaller guys like Bryan, Punk, Jericho, Shield, Ziggler, Del Rio.
Gone are the days of Rock and Austin. This PPV and previous ones proved guys of their size aren't needed to make a great show.

So yeah, I thought this was a pretty good show overall.

As for the RVD return, I hope they just use MitB to set up a feud and not actually give him a case.

DM_7

The way Big E was removed suggests it was done to keep him heel alright. I still hope they keep them together as they have only touched on what the group could achieve,

Punk did look old, but he normally does! I imagine he wouldn't be into maintaining a youthful look like Cena, Orton, Jericho etc.

BohsJohnny

Only have got round to watching this,enjoyed just about everything but everywhere i have looked today have been raving about the Punk/Jericho match and don't get me wrong i liked the match but match of the year? no where close to that.

Punk/Taker was imo better then last night and even then i wouldn't call that match of the year,the double turn was very well done they had to do something different with Del Rio he wasnt getting over at all much better heel.I gave it a 7.

Insect Overlord

I think Punk was trying to look like Wolverine. The Gracie Jujitsu hoodie was a cool touch as well though.

DM_7

I'm glad Fandango wasn't around. Axel winning was a much better moment than anything that they would have done with Fangango.





EDIT: Jericho v Punk was easily a 4 out of 5 for me anyway. Built up and built up throughout to a great finish and the crowd played a big part.

starviewadams

Thought Jericho/Punk was fairly meh,and Punk didn't seem particularly arsed.

Absence makes the heart grow fonder I suppose.

EdK

A lot of people overrating Jericho v Punk on Twitter good no doubt but felt a bit slow and going through the motions at points

Enjoyed the Main Event and Cena's top rope dive until they started with the giant Lego ambulance,Great visual though if you ignore the obvious flimsiness of the roof

Caught these two matches on the replay so starting from the start now again

gnfnrhead

Punk half-assed it. He was more interested in getting himself cheered over producing a good match. Add in that the result was never in doubt and it made for a poor enough match considering those involved.

Ambrose vs Kane never really got going but otherwise it was a very good show. I enjoyed the three way opener the most with either the tag titles or WHC in second place.

I really hope they dont plan on turning Ziggler babyface. The guy is a natural heel and a perfect launching pad for Big E down the line. A Ziggler turn fcuks up everyone else. Either AJ moves on to YET another aliance or she has YET another turn. Neither of which are needed. If Big E stays with him he gets a weak as hell turn and loses the momentum he has been building. Add in that heels are needed, not babyfaces and it makes no sense to turn him.

Have seen people complaining about the Cena dive too. If that had been Bryan or Punk it'd be praised as the greatest thing in the history of the universe. I thought it was great myself, especially the reactions of Sin Cara and I think Titus O'Neill.

rovert

My demi God Dave Meltzer rated Jericho-Punk ****1/2

1. Sheamus pinned Damien Sandow ***
2. Curtis Axel won the Intercontinental title in a three-way over champion Wade Barrett and The Miz ***1/4
3. A.J. Lee beat Kaitlyn ***
4. Dean Ambrose beat Kane to retain the U.S. title via count ou t**1/4
5. Alberto Del Rio pinned Dolph Ziggler ***½
6. C.M. Punk pinned Chris Jericho ****½
7. Seth Rollins & Roman Reigns retained the WWE tag titles over Daniel Bryan & Randy Orton ***½
8. John Cena retained the WWE title over Ryback ***1/4

Punk was so disinterested to me and it was a distant third to their PPV matches last year. ***1/2 for me.

Riddle101

As much as I respect Dave Meltzer's opinion, his rating seems pretty off here.

GTR63

rovert wrote: »

My demi God Dave Meltzer rated Jericho-Punk ****1/2



Punk was so disinterested to me and it was a distant third to their PPV matches last year. ***1/2 for me.

Just wonding what did he give Kim vs Tarrell?

gnfnrhead

Dont agree with that at all. I had the three way, WHC and tag titles ahead of it.

DM_7

Go Dave, I gave if 4 myself.

the groutch

GTR63 wrote: »

Just wonding what did he give Kim vs Tarrell?

***1/2

CastorTroy

Who woulda thought a divas match would ever rank near the same as a championship match?