Why do the Irish make such a big deal out of approaching members of the opposite sex?

Itwasntme.

Table Top Joe wrote: »

They do approach men,i get approached myself nowadays far more than I ever did 10 years ago...but nowhere near as often as abroad still and theres still a defensiveness when I approach a woman a lot of the time....actually two of the most recent ones who approached me treated me like I was at a job interview btw,it was all about what I could do for them,what was I in to(to see if it they approved)a lot of "hmmm I don't know",it was incredible,they were both average at best acting like 9/10s...but that's for another thread maybe

I have zero sympathy for anybody who thinks that women/men's sense of self worth should correspond to an arbitrary rating of attractiveness.

Table Top Joe

darlett wrote: »

Its a change I've noticed to as I get nearer to dirty thirty and chat up a more 'mature' selection of ladies. Out in a group of 3 lads recently we got talking to 3 nice ladies and after pleasantries and a bit of light fun chat it quickly turned into a "What have you done for me lately, Eddie?" situation. There was suddenly a lot of focus on what we did for a living... As someone who began a career in a certain field but is now in the middle of a course to convert to teaching I raised eyebrows and felt like I got put on the long finger-as in hmm... well if that works out for you then we'll maybe deal again :eek: Jeepers! Oh well, gotta keep it real :rolleyes:

I was out with a friend a few months back and his girlfriend and a few of her friends joined us,one of her friends walked over to me and first thing she said wasn't "hi" or introducing herself or any normal pleasantry,it was "what do you do?" with a big smile.....f*** off(ok,I didn't say that but still,thought it was incredibly rude)

The Backwards Man

Itwasntme. wrote: »

I have zero sympathy for anybody who thinks that women/men's sense of self worth should correspond to an arbitrary rating of attractiveness.

:pac::p

Table Top Joe

darlett wrote: »

As in the whole statement was in bold...awh nevermind :P

:o:o:o:o:o

iwantmydinner

Table Top Joe wrote: »

they were both average at best acting like 9/10s...but that's for another thread maybe[/B]:)

CAN EVERYONE STOP RATING HUMAN BEINGS ON A NUMERICAL SCALE.

Thanks.

Weathering

Irish girls are getting more stuck up by the day. Pulling faces and prancing around with a sense of high importance-you're in a fcking dingy club get over yourself. Any contact and they assume you're trying to pull them on a night out-it gets really annoying when you're just being friendly

Table Top Joe

pharmaton wrote: »

of course you do.

Ha ha....theres that defensiveness I was talking about

pharmaton

Table Top Joe wrote: »

Ha ha....theres that defensiveness I was talking about

she picked a stunner, bless her

Table Top Joe

iwantmydinner wrote: »

CAN EVERYONE STOP RATING HUMAN BEINGS ON A NUMERICAL SCALE.

Thanks.

People rate other people when it comes to physical attractiveness,deal with it, saying 9/10 was easier than going into detail,put simply these two were in no position to have the massive egos they both had,as pc as I know people like to get here looks mean something

iwantmydinner

Weathering wrote: »

Irish girls are getting more stuck up by the day. Pulling faces and prancing around with a sense of high importance-you're in a fcking dingy club get over yourself. Any contact and they assume you're trying to pull them on a night out-it gets really annoying when you're just being friendly

Is that every Irish girl, yeah?

Table Top Joe

pharmaton wrote: »

she picked a stunner, bless her

You have no idea what I look like,so so touchy ........I think shes stunning though

Weathering

iwantmydinner wrote: »

Is that every Irish girl, yeah?

The vast majority yeah

iwantmydinner

Table Top Joe wrote: »

People rate other people when it comes to physical attractiveness,deal with it, saying 9/10 was easier than going into detail,put simply these two were in no position to have the massive egos they both had,as pc as I know people like to get here looks mean something

So being very good-looking entitles one to be an egomaniac?

Legs.Eleven

Weathering wrote: »

Irish girls are getting more stuck up by the day. Pulling faces and prancing around with a sense of high importance-you're in a fcking dingy club get over yourself. Any contact and they assume you're trying to pull them on a night out-it gets really annoying when you're just being friendly

Hilarious!

Czarcasm

Table Top Joe wrote: »

They do approach men,i get approached myself nowadays far more than I ever did 10 years ago...but nowhere near as often as abroad still and theres still a defensiveness when I approach a woman a lot of the time....actually two of the most recent ones who approached me treated me like I was at a job interview btw,it was all about what I could do for them,what was I in to(to see if it they approved)a lot of "hmmm I don't know",it was incredible,they were both average at best acting like 9/10s...but that's for another thread maybe

Yeah see I don't get where you're getting this "defensiveness" vibe from, because in my experience, I've never experienced it. If anyone is being defensive it's yourself that thinks a girl chatting to you and showing an interest in what you do for a living, is an interview.

Even then, you'll judge them as average but going on like they're 9/10s". That right there is what I was referring to earlier when I was saying about you're not interested in the kind of girls that are interested in you.

Why are there 20 or 30 guys standing around eyeballing the girls instead of approaching them? Well, the only explanation I could come up with is that they're waiting around for the girls to approach THEM, and when it doesn't happen, they get bitter and disheartened and start to believe that it's the girls that don't approach them are at fault.

There has been a huge increase in the amount of foreigners in this country in the last ten years, mostly people in their early twenties, and I've worked with many of them, and for all the nonsense talk on Boards about how eastern european women take better care of themselves and are much more pleasant to talk to than Irish women; again - in my experience, I've found this to be a myth, and I still can't figure out why anyone would think it to be the case.

The whole "Irish Catholic girls" nonsense doesn't hold much weight either as the catholic church hasn't been relevant in this country for the last 20 years, whereas in countries like Poland they're very much still a catholic country, and other eastern european countries are orthodox religion, while african immigrants are mostly a mix of catholic, muslim, presbyterian or evangelist.

There's also the influence of culture on the opposite sexes in these countries where women are seen as inferior to men, even in the more affluent cities in these countries. Women here in Ireland don't experience that to the same degree whatsoever that they do in other countries.

iwantmydinner

Weathering wrote: »

The vast majority yeah

So, you've actually met the vast majority of Irish girls, have you? That would be some achievement.

Table Top Joe

Itwasntme. wrote: »

I have zero sympathy for anybody who thinks that women/men's sense of self worth should correspond to an arbitrary rating of attractiveness.

You can be as PC as you like but better looking women have more options,these two were both average looking at best and incredibly obnoxious,acting as if I should be grateful they should be talking to me.......don't get me wrong im not saying it would be ok If they were both gorgeous but at least id understand that they would probably be used to some guys fawning over them

The Backwards Man

Table Top Joe wrote: »

People rate other people when it comes to physical attractiveness,deal with it, saying 9/10 was easier than going into detail,put simply these two were in no position to have the massive egos they both had,as pc as I know people like to get here looks mean something

Is this rating stamped on girls somewhere, like it is on eggs? It would handy to know rather than having to decide for myself how attractive I think a person is.

pharmaton

Table Top Joe wrote: »

You have no idea what I look like,so so touchy ........I think shes stunning though

I've only responded to you in the last few posts, if you feel it's not adequate it's probably because it's not what you want to hear. So far in this thread you have directed blame at Irish women for not being more approachable or approaching to men and then when they do, not being good looking enough to warrant your attention. All the while stating your unyielding ability to attract goddess from other countries. On omegle.

Weathering

iwantmydinner wrote: »

So, you've actually met the vast majority of Irish girls, have you? That would be some achievement.

Yeah I've been out a lot. Thanks I'll accept awards

iwantmydinner

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Is this rating stamped on girls somewhere, like it is on eggs? It would handy to know rather than having to decide for myself how attractive I think a person is.

LOL

Table Top Joe

iwantmydinner wrote: »

So being very good-looking entitles one to be an egomaniac?

Certainly not....but its easier to understand,i personally don't take crap from a woman just because shes attractive but god knows a lot of guys do

Legs.Eleven

iwantmydinner wrote: »

So, you've actually met the vast majority of Irish girls, have you? That would be some achievement.

Why would you even entertain someone who makes such moronic statements? The fella can't get a ride and instead of acknowledging that he's the common denominator blames half of the Irish population based on their gender alone who he's obviously never met. It's too stupid to even comprehend.

Legs.Eleven

Weathering wrote: »

Yeah I've been out a lot. Thanks I'll accept awards

And rejected a lot, obviously.

The Backwards Man

iwantmydinner wrote: »

LOL

That would be a pretty cool job, checking women's stamps to ensure they are rated correctly.:pac:

Table Top Joe

pharmaton wrote: »

I've only responded to you in the last few posts, if you feel it's not adequate it's probably because it's not what you want to hear. So far in this thread you have directed blame at Irish women for not being more approachable or approaching to men and then when they do, not being good looking enough to warrant your attention. All the while stating your unyielding ability to attract goddess from other countries. On omegle.

And its in the last few posts you've been very touchy.....I was only speaking about two girls I met recently,ive met others too and been approached,i just brought these two up as an aside,wasnt really about anything relating to this thread(fair enough I shouldn't have as its derailed things)

I never mentioned anything about the women whove approached me in other countries being Goddesses...or anything at all about theyre attractiveness,i did refer to my girlfriend as stunning but then shes my girlfriend of course I think that

iwantmydinner

The Backwards Man wrote: »

That would be a pretty cool job, checking women's stamps to ensure they are rated correctly.:pac:

And then rolling your eyes when you find that someone was marked 9 when she was clearly no more than a 6. And then had the sheer temerity to act as if she was a 9.

Weathering

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Why would you even entertain someone who makes such moronic statements? The fella can't get a ride and instead of acknowledging that he's the common denominator blames half of the Irish population based on their gender alone who he's obviously never met. It's too stupid to even comprehend.

Another classic case of a hyped up stuck up over opinionated dumb woman. If anyone needs a seeing to it's you say hi to your drawer full of plastic. I've been going out with my gf for over 3years and I've never attempted to cheat once but the majority of girls I would talk to on a night always assume you're after them and it gets quite tedious. Get off your dumb high horse in future

pharmaton

Table Top Joe wrote: »

And its in the last few posts you've been very touchy.....I was only speaking about two girls I met recently,ive met others too and been approached,i just brought these two up as an aside,wasnt really about anything relating to this thread(fair enough I shouldn't have as its derailed things)

I never mentioned anything about the women whove approached me in other countries being Goddesses...or anything at all about theyre attractiveness,i did refer to my girlfriend as stunning but then shes my girlfriend of course I think that

you rated the two Irish girls who did approach you as not scoring highly on your scale of attractiveness.


I've chatted up women and have been chatted up by women, I have never experienced the treatment that so many men here talk about getting on a night out.

iwantmydinner

Weathering wrote: »

Another classic case of a hyped up stuck up over opinionated dumb woman. If anyone needs a seeing to it's you say hi to your drawer full of plastic. I've been going out with my gf for over 3years and I've never attempted to cheat once but the majority of girls I would talk to on a night always assume you're after them and it gets quite tedious. Get off your dumb high horse in future

She's one lucky gal!

Weathering

iwantmydinner wrote: »

She's one lucky gal!

How mature. She isn't dumb as fck unlike a few others in here. Go make the dinner

mod: banned.

Czarcasm

iwantmydinner wrote: »

And then rolling your eyes when you find that someone was marked 9 when she was clearly no more than a 6. And then had the sheer temerity to act as if she was a 9.

And that's exactly the problem with the whole 1-10 nonsense, it's just as individual and subjective as saying whether you figure someone is attractive or not. I mean, to use Joe's scale of 1-10, a 10 in his eyes might only be a 3 in someone else's estimation. It tells you nothing.

As for it being stamped on a person, I've always said it to any girl - a guy doesn't look at the size label on your knickers when he's intending on getting you into bed. A person is either attracted to you or they're not, you can't be everything to everybody so you have to learn just to be happy with yourself and improving yourself for your OWN benefit, not somebody else's.

Table Top Joe

Czarcasm wrote: »

Yeah see I don't get where you're getting this "defensiveness" vibe from, because in my experience, I've never experienced it. If anyone is being defensive it's yourself that thinks a girl chatting to you and showing an interest in what you do for a living, is an interview.

Even then, you'll judge them as average but going on like they're 9/10s". That right there is what I was referring to earlier when I was saying about you're not interested in the kind of girls that are interested in you.

Why are there 20 or 30 guys standing around eyeballing the girls instead of approaching them? Well, the only explanation I could come up with is that they're waiting around for the girls to approach THEM, and when it doesn't happen, they get bitter and disheartened and start to believe that it's the girls that don't approach them are at fault.

There has been a huge increase in the amount of foreigners in this country in the last ten years, mostly people in their early twenties, and I've worked with many of them, and for all the nonsense talk on Boards about how eastern european women take better care of themselves and are much more pleasant to talk to than Irish women; again - in my experience, I've found this to be a myth, and I still can't figure out why anyone would think it to be the case.

The whole "Irish Catholic girls" nonsense doesn't hold much weight either as the catholic church hasn't been relevant in this country for the last 20 years, whereas in countries like Poland they're very much still a catholic country, and other eastern european countries are orthodox religion, while african immigrants are mostly a mix of catholic, muslim, presbyterian or evangelist.

There's also the influence of culture on the opposite sexes in these countries where women are seen as inferior to men, even in the more affluent cities in these countries. Women here in Ireland don't experience that to the same degree whatsoever that they do in other countries.

I don't have the time to go into detail in my reply but in short,the 20 guys standing around not approaching is the point of the thread,its in the title,you acknowledge these guys yourself......as far as the interview thing goes,she asked if I was into sports,"cause if your not I don't know if I could go any further" this was about 5 mins after talking to her,i hadn't even expressed an interest in her at this stage,she was dead serious too, asked me what I drove "this could be a deal breaker" she told me quite seriously too....trust me,i didn't get that warm and fuzzy feeling,i got an interview vibe....not exactly nice

iwantmydinner

Weathering wrote: »

How mature. She isn't dumb as fck unlike a few others in here. Go make the dinner

Reported.

Mr. teddywinkles

Lams wrote: »

The majority of women IMO enjoy being chatted up by someone who is competent at doing it and who knows how to flirt, have fun and let her relax. It's the annoying needy chat up attempts that are despised.

So if you don't have that gift and your not casanova, you die alone is it.
Say if shoe was on other foot and women had to do the chattin up.
Think every woman would excel at it?

Weathering

iwantmydinner wrote: »

Reported.

Did u report the "lady" who said I can't get a ride on a night out??? Didn't think so. SEXIST DOUBLE STANDARDS.

Table Top Joe

pharmaton wrote: »

you rated the two Irish girls who did approach you as not scoring highly on your scale of attractiveness.


I did yes....I don't see the point of this, obviously we all have our own taste but if you want to pretend that were all 10/10 to someone then great,thats lovely


I've chatted up women and have been chatted up by women, I have never experienced the treatment that so many men here talk about getting on a night out.

"that so many men here talk about"......theres a reason its a very popular view imo

pharmaton

Table Top Joe wrote: »

I did yes....I don't see the point of this, obviously we all have our own taste but if you want to pretend that were all 10/10 to someone then great,thats lovely

I don't expect anything from you other than more needless projection of your own faults onto Irish women.

"that so many men here talk about"......theres a reason its a very popular view imo

as a woman, I have a fairly good idea why that might be.

Czarcasm

Table Top Joe wrote: »

"that so many men here talk about"......theres a reason its a very popular view imo

I'd hardly call a view espoused merely by a handful of posters "a popular view" now in all fairness!

KyussBishop

While I think it's useful (unavoidable even) talking about societal trends as generalities, I don't get why that has to involve tarring all women with the same brush (which is not the same thing), even close to the point of misogyny sometimes, or the opposite, rejecting any discussion of those generalities as invalid/untrue, even when there is some clear truth to them (despite not applying to every member of the gender in discussion).

It would be really nice if these discussions could happen without that kind of dichotomy taking place, because I'm sure there's a good discussion to be had if that were not present; it's a bit awkward being on one side of a discussion as well, when you're worried about association with posters who put out borderline-misogynist stuff.

Table Top Joe

Czarcasm wrote: »

And that's exactly the problem with the whole 1-10 nonsense, it's just as individual and subjective as saying whether you figure someone is attractive or not. I mean, to use Joe's scale of 1-10, a 10 in his eyes might only be a 3 in someone else's estimation. It tells you nothing.

Oh give me a break, lets take some famous people....Angelina Jolie,im sure there are many men who would say 10/10.....and some night totally disagree,how many would say 3/10?? not very many I would wager

Same with George Clooney or whoever,we all have our taste but your being laughably pc if you want to claim there aren't different levels of attractiveness, tell this to the chubby girl on the night out hanging around with her model buddy...you think they would get the same attention from men?? im sure there will be guys who prefer the chubby one but how many compared to the model?.....Jesus

Table Top Joe

Czarcasm wrote: »

I'd hardly call a view espoused merely by a handful of posters "a popular view" now in all fairness!

Its a popular view on Boards in general,this isn't the first thread on this and Id bet my arse it wont be the last

pharmaton

mudderagod.

The Backwards Man

Table Top Joe wrote: »

Oh give me a break, lets take some famous people....Angelina Jolie,im sure there are many men who would say 10/10.....and some night totally disagree,how many would say 3/10?? not very many I would wager

Same with George Clooney or whoever,we all have our taste but your being laughably pc if you want to claim there aren't different levels of attractiveness, tell this to the chubby girl on the night out hanging around with her model buddy...you think they would get the same attention from men?? im sure there will be guys who prefer the chubby one but how many compared to the model?.....Jesus

I'd rather ride George Clooney than Angelina, and I'm straight!

Czarcasm

Table Top Joe wrote: »

I don't have the time to go into detail in my reply but in short,the 20 guys standing around not approaching is the point of the thread,its in the title,you acknowledge these guys yourself

Yes, and you seem to have ignored the reasons I put forward for their inability to approach women, namely that they expect women to approach them, because their own ego and their safety in numbers prevents them from taking a risk and going for something they want, yet when they are approached by women, they're not the women they want.

as far as the interview thing goes,she asked if I was into sports,"cause if your not I don't know if I could go any further" this was about 5 mins after talking to her,i hadn't even expressed an interest in her at this stage,she was dead serious too, asked me what I drove "this could be a deal breaker" she told me quite seriously too....trust me,i didn't get that warm and fuzzy feeling,i got an interview vibe....not exactly nice

See I'd prefer that tbh, no fcuking about, just straight to the point and cutting thru all the bullshìt mind numbing small talk. I like a girl that knows what she wants and doesn't suffer fools gladly! That's where you and I clearly differ though, but I still wouldn't base my opinion on just two women I met recently.

Table Top Joe

KyussBishop wrote: »

While I think it's useful (unavoidable even) talking about societal trends as generalities, I don't get why that has to involve tarring all women with the same brush (which is not the same thing), even close to the point of misogyny sometimes, or the opposite, rejecting any discussion of those generalities as invalid/untrue, even when there is some clear truth to them (despite not applying to every member of the gender in discussion).

It would be really nice if these discussions could happen without that kind of dichotomy taking place, because I'm sure there's a good discussion to be had if that were not present; it's a bit awkward being on one side of a discussion as well, when you're worried about association with posters who put out borderline-misogynist stuff.

I have to say I have been guilty of tarring all women with the one brush posts,not intentionally and its certainly not something I believe but its in the nature of these discussions that using generalities to describe something will lead to this.....I see your point but I do feel there is something not quite right in Ireland between the sexes when it comes to dating/sex etc

Table Top Joe

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I'd rather ride George Clooney than Angelina, and I'm straight!

I nearly would too:o

Table Top Joe

Czarcasm wrote: »

Yes, and you seem to have ignored the reasons I put forward for their inability to approach women, namely that they expect women to approach them, because their own ego and their safety in numbers prevents them from taking a risk and going for something they want, yet when they are approached by women, they're not the women they want.


Well ok fair enough,i just feel were arguing about different things sometimes,thats what I find interesting though,why and what is it about Ireland that makes it so different?....you seem to agree though that it is different here...yes?..no?




See I'd prefer that tbh, no fcuking about, just straight to the point and cutting thru all the bullshìt mind numbing small talk. I like a girl that knows what she wants and doesn't suffer fools gladly! That's where you and I clearly differ though, but I still wouldn't base my opinion on just two women I met recently.

Well we definitely disagree here!.....I found it very off putting and very arrogant of them,it didn't seem like they thought I should have any say in it,i just had to prove I was good enough for them!.....and as I said I only mentioned these two in passing....which I now regret ha ha ffs

buried

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Why would you even entertain someone who makes such moronic statements? The fella can't get a ride and instead of acknowledging that he's the common denominator blames half of the Irish population based on their gender alone who he's obviously never met. It's too stupid to even comprehend.

How do you know 'he cant get the ride'? Typical, a hint that someone else's argument will make sense, start throwing around nasty ignorant insults to enrage.

Pathetic.

Boofle

Weathering wrote: »

Irish girls are getting more stuck up by the day. Pulling faces and prancing around with a sense of high importance-you're in a fcking dingy club get over yourself. Any contact and they assume you're trying to pull them on a night out-it gets really annoying when you're just being friendly

Did you ever consider that it's not that Irish girls are stuck up and self-important but rather the the issue lies within yourself and your dreadful misogynistic attitude?