2013-14 Uefa Champions League

Dempsey

Excellent save by Buffon from Drogba a few mins ago

snowblind

snowblind wrote: »

That has nothing to do with it. You said the controversy would be great. I would prefer a game where controversy wouldn't obscure the sportsmanship deciding the result.

So you don't want Galatasaray to win?

snowblind

Also 45 minutes out of 60 played today Juve will have to attack the part of pitch that is completely wrecked - passing there has proven to be impossible. Not same conditions for both teams.

snowblind

Deleted User wrote: »

So you don't want Galatasaray to win?

What? You just want Gala to win, doesn't matter how? Ok.

snowblind

snowblind wrote: »

What? You just want Gala to win, doesn't matter how? Ok.

What are you ****ing on about?

snowblind

snowblind wrote: »

Also 45 minutes out of 60 played today Juve will have to attack the part of pitch that is completely wrecked - passing there has proven to be impossible. Not same conditions for both teams.

And they'll be defending the end that's much cleaner so less chance of a back-pass error or goalkeeper miskick.

snowblind

So ok you just want controversy instead of properly played football match, I get it.

snowblind

Deleted User wrote: »

And they'll be defending the end that's much cleaner so less chance of a back-pass error or goalkeeper miskick.

Yes. Which means the conditions are not the same for both teams.

snowblind

snowblind wrote: »

So ok you just want controversy instead of properly played football match, I get it.

Well since the game is going ahead right now (not much I can do about that, believe it or not) why not wsih for a bit of a laugh out of it?

snowblind wrote: »

Yes. Which means the conditions are not the same for both teams.

So Juventus have the unfair advantage now?
Unless each team swaps their players for each half and played in a climate-controlled arena then your idea of the same conditions for each team will never be met unfortunately.

snowblind

Deleted User wrote: »

Well since the game is going ahead right now (not much I can do about that, believe it or not) why not wsih for a bit of a laugh out of it?

Some of us watch it for the football, and would like the game to be won by the better team.

Deleted User wrote: »

So Juventus have the unfair advantage now?
Unless each team swaps their players for each half and played in a climate-controlled arena then your idea of the same conditions for each team will never be met unfortunately.

I did not say that. You said that the conditions are the same for both teams. They are not. Who has the advantage is not the point. The point is that the match should not played unless it is possible to have the same conditions for both.
In this case the difference in the conditions is far greater than the norm. Or do you disagree?

snowblind

snowblind wrote: »

Some of us watch it for the football, and would like the game to be won by the better team.

And if Galatasaray win then they'll likely have been the better team, that's how it works.

I did not say that. You said that the conditions are the same for both teams. They are not. Who has the advantage is not the point. The point is that the match should not played unless it is possible to have the same conditions for both.

But having the same conditions is impossible with current technologies.
(I used a bit of a cliche, shoot me.)

kryogen

Live CL football at 2pm on a Wednesday is the job btw

kryogen

kryogen wrote: »

Live CL football at 2pm on a Wednesday is the job btw

They did well to pick my day off.

snowblind

Deleted User wrote: »

And if Galatasaray win then they'll likely have been the better team, that's how it works.

Eh, maybe if we decided that Football is THIS and not what it usually is.

Deleted User wrote: »

But having the same conditions is impossible with current technologies.
(I used a bit of a cliche, shoot me.)

Going from cliche towards nitpicking. Because the exact same conditions cannot be had, anything goes? The conditions are absolutely ridiculous, but to you this here is the same as having a 0.5m/second wind blowing over the pitch?

snowblind

Of course, if Buttonftw's favourite team were in Juve's shoes, he'd be content with any result as being "won by the best team".

Of course, he didn't just say he loves the controversy, right?

AdamD

Hahaha get in

jamescd

Galatasaray 1 up. 5 minutes to go

Dempsey

Sneijder scores!

miralize

Great goal!

delija_sever029

Holy crap Juve is going out!!!

supersean1999

Hope gal Hold on

retalivity

Will juve start crying about unfair advantages and cheating???

delija_sever029

retalivity wrote: »

Will juve start crying about unfair advantages and cheating???

Well of course:D

snowblind

retalivity wrote: »

Will juve start crying about unfair advantages and cheating???

Yeah that would be horrible, no other team would feel like there was something wrong here, eh?

snowblind

"Ok we'll just put a tractor on the pitch and totally **** it up on one side of the pitch.....guess which?" And the Liverpool fans go "ah yeah fair enough"

snowblind

snowblind wrote: »

Of course, if Buttonftw's favourite team were in Juve's shoes, he'd be content with any result as being "won by the best team".

Of course, he didn't just say he loves the controversy, right?

Learn to read. I said since I have no preference for these teams I'd prefer the entertainment. If no-one cared then the game would be in trouble. When a friend's team lose it wouldn't be much fun if all you said was "Your team lost. I feel nothing."

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

snowblind wrote: »

"Ok we'll just put a tractor on the pitch and totally **** it up on one side of the pitch.....guess which?" And the Liverpool fans go "ah yeah fair enough"

Dempsey

Burak has 2 left feet

Johner

Good man Drogba!

supersean1999

Haha

Francie Barrett

Juventus out.

ArmaniJeanss

snowblind wrote: »

"Ok we'll just put a tractor on the pitch and totally **** it up on one side of the pitch.....guess which?" And the Liverpool fans go "ah yeah fair enough"

Lol, you're the one who wanted the match awarded to Juventus without actually being played, so to suddenly be moaning about fairness is sad.

snowblind

Everyone can ask themselves: "if this happened to my team, would I really REALLY feel like the conditions were good for a match to go on, and if the result represents being better in football as we know it" and "is it, in this case, justifiable to complain". But of course, just go on with "at least we got the LOLZ"

snowblind

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Lol, you're the one who wanted the match awarded to Juventus without actually being played, so to suddenly be moaning about fairness is sad.

I said IF the game cannot be played properly. As a priority, I wanted the match to be played, properly.

GavRedKing

Snowblind, why the rage?

Have Juventus cost you money or something?

snowblind

Two sides of the pitch:

kksaints

GavRedKing wrote: »

Snowblind, why the rage?

Have Juventus cost you money or something?

Hes a Juve fan.

snowblind

GavRedKing wrote: »

Snowblind, why the rage?

Have Juventus cost you money or something?

Rage?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

snowblind wrote: »

Everyone can ask themselves: "if this happened to my team, would I really REALLY feel like the conditions were good for a match to go on, and if the result represents being better in football as we know it" and "is it, in this case, justifiable to complain". But of course, just go on with "at least we got the LOLZ"

snowblind wrote: »

I said IF the game cannot be played properly. As a priority, I wanted the match to be played, properly.

Priority will ALWAYS be to replay or finish the game. It's not the first time a game has been ssupended or postponed until the day after and I've seen much worse pitches in top competitions.

The conditions are going to be adverse in Brazil for the world cup - should the teams from colder climates kick up a fuss?

GTR63

snowblind wrote: »

Was the pitch in better conditions than this at KO time. Pity Juve are out but their inabilty to punish teams when they are on top came back to haunt them. Should of beaten Copenhagen away & Real at home tbh.

Francie Barrett

Honestly, that game should have been abandoned. Having said that, Juventus just didn't play well at all despite the conditions. It's a bit mad that no Italian team might make it to the knockouts. Has that ever happened before?

Utopia Parkway

Juventus fairly made a balls of that group.

delija_sever029

Milan is going to go to 2nd round

kksaints

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Juventus fairly made a balls of that group.

In fairness it was a tough enough group. Real one of the best teams in Europe, Galatasaray are a very strong team they reached the quarters last year. Copenhagen would be the weakest team in that group but they arent that weak and can be a dangerous team to play against.

snowblind

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Priority will ALWAYS be to replay or finish the game. It's not the first time a game has been ssupended or postponed until the day after and I've seen much worse pitches in top competitions.

The conditions are going to be adverse in Brazil for the world cup - should the teams from colder climates kick up a fuss?

The conditions were better yesterday. The motivation for postponing is to play in BETTER conditions. This time the resulting conditions were not even, with unpredictable results. I know this is because the pressure to replay ASAP is huge and there are no other options - draw for knockouts is on Monday, league games over the weekend. But if Galatasaray are found inept at making the conditions better (under pitch heating not working, tractor making a huge mess), a visitor fan cannot be happy.

Brazil is different - teams will have a long long time to prepare, and the conditions will be same for both teams. The pitch today was partially unpassable and the ways of the ball became totally unpredictable. In extreme heat and humidity, it is different. Vision and passing ability are not affected, the teams will just have to prepare for the overall conditions with fitness training etc. Completely different situation.

ArmaniJeanss

For what it worth, I don't think its a great idea that the home side knows they are going to be playing into one end for 45 minutes and the other end for just 10 minutes, as it does theoretically allow the groundsman to set the pitch different at each end.

Back when I were a lad I think the rule was the full 90 had to replayed if the game wasn't completed on the day, but this is open to abuse as well (0-2 down after 85 minutes, floodlight failure etc).

Fairest maybe on occasions like today is to have a coin re-toss, so nether team actually knows which end they'll be attacking for the larger portion of the game.

mitosis

There's no doubt the pitch was deliberately compromised, but Juventus did themselves no favours early in the competition and by trying to play football in this one.

The Showstopper

Woohoo, hon the Turks!

jamescd

Juventus f**ked it up by getting only 6 points in the 5 games. That is just dreadful considering they are currently top of the Serie A. Nobody to blame but themselves.

snowblind

Yeah you are right that they have themselves to blame for not qualifying earlier. But there are 6 matches and the last one counts for points too. And the sixth one was a mess.