Hopes for next Season

ronjo

There is still a long way to go until the start of the season but I have a question for all fans as of now.
What position in the league (whatever league your team may be) would you consider

a) Successful
b) Acceptable
c) Poor

As and Arsenal fan I will say

a) 2nd
b) 4th
c) 5th

Pudsy33

United

a) 1st
b) 3rd
c) outside top 4

DazMarz

ronjo wrote: »

There is still a long way to go until the start of the season but I have a question for all fans as of now.
What position in the league (whatever league your team may be) would you consider

a) Successful
b) Acceptable
c) Poor

As and Arsenal fan I will say

a) 2nd
b) 4th
c) 5th

Chelsea

a) 1st
b) 2nd/3rd
c) 5th or lower

4th is kind of a mixed one; still means Champions League football, but it also means that it was a dis-improvement on last season.

DoctorGonzo08

Pudsy33 wrote: »

United

a) 1st
b) 3rd
c) outside top 4

City

a) 1st
b) 1st
c) outside top 1

:rolleyes:

Leiva

for our league campaign to at least get beyond Feb and be in the mix for fourth, and nick it in the end.

mike65

Liverpool

a) Top 4
b) Top 5
c) Anything else

The_Kew_Tour

United

A win
B 2nd
C outside top 3 would be awful

Hibs

A top 3
B 4-5
C not make top 6 would be poor.

Wednesday

A Play-offs
B Top half of table
C Another relegation battle

Easy Rod

Villa


A - Between 6-8
B - 8-13
C - 13th or below

Columbia

Everton

a) 4th
b) 7th
c) 8th

Will I Amnt

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

City

a) 1st
b) 1st
c) outside top 1

:rolleyes:

Out of nterest, why did you quote the other post and roll your eyes at it?

Pudsy33

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Out of nterest, why did you quote the other post and roll your eyes at it?

Seems bizarre considering I would think my expectation were reasonable. Ask Any united fan, player and coach and they'll say anything outside of 4th would be disappointing.

Yakult

LFC

A) Top 4
Top 6
C) Beyond 6th

xtal191

Man Utd

a) 1st
b) 3rd
c) outside top 4

Paully D

Sunderland.

A) Top 10
Bottom half but no relegation battle
C) A relegation battle

Lawrence1895

Liverpool:

a) Champions League Spot
b) Europa League Qualification
c) The mere rest


Borussia Dortmund (and Celtic)

a) Champions
b) Champions
c) Anything else

DoctorGonzo08

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Out of nterest, why did you quote the other post and roll your eyes at it?

I was rolling my eyes at my post. Surely the expectations are identical for the top 4 teams, are as the expectations the same for Spurs, Liverpool & Everton?

The thread would be of more worth possibly if it was in terms of the clubs expectations for the manager this year, ie. league performance, european and cup performances. What would be deemed as the minimum expectations and what would be considered exceptional.

massdebater

Newcastle

a) Top half
b) 11th -17th
c) Joe Kinnear

ronjo

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

I was rolling my eyes at my post. Surely the expectations are identical for the top 4 teams, are as the expectations the same for Spurs, Liverpool & Everton?

The thread would be of more worth possibly if it was in terms of the clubs expectations for the manager this year, ie. league performance, european and cup performances. What would be deemed as the minimum expectations and what would be considered exceptional.

Well the OP was addressing the fans and specifically about the league they are in. Not the clubs expectations or expectations of the manager.
Thanks.
I am finding the answers interesting in general but would love to hear from more fans.

TaosHum

Newcastle.

1) 16th
2) 17th
3) 18-20th

Will I Amnt

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

I was rolling my eyes at my post. Surely the expectations are identical for the top 4 teams, are as the expectations the same for Spurs, Liverpool & Everton?

The thread would be of more worth possibly if it was in terms of the clubs expectations for the manager this year, ie. league performance, european and cup performances. What would be deemed as the minimum expectations and what would be considered exceptional.

As a United fan, what is acceptable has changed for me this season. I'd imagine many others are the same. Chelsea fans I would say will be expecting a lot more this season.
Perfectly valid questions in the op.

Francie Barrett

Yakult wrote: »

LFC

A) Top 4
Top 6
C) Beyond 6th

+1

I am pie

Liverpool

1. 4th
2. 5th
3. 6th & below

6th and below would represent very limited progress and most fans would be disappointed with it. I wouldn't be calling for the managers head but it would be unsatisfactory.

River Plate
1. Win opening or closing tournament.
2. 2nd or 3rd in both or progress well enough in copa sudamericana to get into Libertadores the season after
3. Anything else

You can add another season of failure for Boca in 1 & 2.

Oat23

Hamburg

A) 5th
6th
C) 7th or lower

Oranage2

Arsenal

1-2
3-4
5-20


Well right now it looks like a another 4th place finish, a few good signing and a bit of luck 3rd. first and second is a little beyond reach but who knows.

markesmith

Spurs:
a) 4th
b) 5th and a cup
c) 6th-8th

CSF

Can't get my head around United fans considering 3rd as acceptable.

Pedalstool

Liverpool

a)75 points plus.


b)65 to 75 points.


c)Less than 65 points.

Essien

Chelsea

a) Jose lasts the season
b) Jose lasts til March
c) Jose lasts til Christmas

Augmerson

Liverpool

A) 4th
FA Cup
C) Beat Everton, United, West Brom & Stoke (hammer Stoke plz)

Bohemians

A) Beat the Shams
Don't get relegated
C) Oil-rich Tycoon buy the club, sign Neymar, win Champions League

Crystal Palace

A) 14th
Don't get relegated
C) Good home victories against the local London teams

CSF

Augmerson wrote: »

Liverpool

A) 4th
FA Cup
C) Beat Everton, United, West Brom & Stoke (hammer Stoke plz)

Bohemians

A) Beat the Shams
Don't get relegated
C) Oil-rich Tycoon buy the club, sign Neymar, win Champions League

Crystal Palace

A) 14th
Don't get relegated
C) Good home victories against the local London teams

You might wanna re-read the thread.

Will I Amnt

CSF wrote: »

Can't get my head around United fans considering 3rd as acceptable.

It's no ordinary change of management. I'll give Moyes a season without scrutiny until he puts his mark on the team.
Chelsea have arguably the best manager in the game back and City have a very good manager now and are still buying whoever takes their fancy.

United have downgraded in the managerial position. Chelsea have massively upgraded and City have upgraded a fair bit too. 3rd is a very real possibility.

CSF

Will I Amnt wrote: »

It's no ordinary change of management. I'll give Moyes a season without scrutiny until he puts his mark on the team.
Chelsea have arguably the best manager in the game back and City have a very good manager now and are still buying whoever takes their fancy.

United have downgraded in the managerial position. Chelsea have massively upgraded and City have upgraded a fair bit too.

Could they not have just got a top-level manager instead? Maybe this is for another discussion.

Will I Amnt

CSF wrote: »

Could they not have just got a top-level manager instead? Maybe this is for another discussion.

What's done is done. 3rd wouldn't be catastrophic in the current situation.
I would expect things to improve the following season though, when things are more settled.

The_Kew_Tour

It depends how far behind United are in 3rd too.(if happens)

I mean only few points of top, would be ok. 15 points or something would not be acceptable.

major bill

Liverpool

A:Top 4
B:Europe
C:losing to the same teams last season showing no improvement

Augmerson

CSF wrote: »

You might wanna re-read the thread.

I stand by my previous statement.

Lamper.sffc

LEEDS UNITED

Whats this hope thing you speak of?

artanevilla

A: Europe
B: Safe, fairly early
C: Relegation battle/Relegation

With Bohs:

A: Have a club
B: Have a club
C: Don't have a club

Jesus Wept

Liverpoo

1st.
1st.
Not first

Kiith

Spurs

A) Ahead of Arsenal
Ahead of Arsenal
C) Same old same old

Seriously though, has to be a top 4 finish for us this year.

GavRedKing

a) Successful
b) Acceptable
c) Poor


Chelsea

A) 1st
b) Top 4
c) 5th or lower


Given our squad and Jose coming back anything outside the top 4 would be a domestic failure.

DoctorGonzo08

Will I Amnt wrote: »

As a United fan, what is acceptable has changed for me this season. I'd imagine many others are the same. Chelsea fans I would say will be expecting a lot more this season.
Perfectly valid questions in the op.

Really? Taking the first two Utd & Chelsea posts. I'm going to assume it is the same with Arsenal:

Pudsy33 wrote: »

United

a) 1st
b) 3rd
c) outside top 4

DazMarz wrote: »

Chelsea

a) 1st
b) 2nd/3rd
c) 5th or lower

So can you point out what the difference is? As I said any Top 4 team will have the exact same answers:

a) 1st
b) inside top 4
c) outside top 4

Taking a quick look at Liverpool and Spurs replies suggest the same trend.

I'm not questioning the validity of the OP's question, but was the answer to this question not as obvious as it could be? Hence why I said you might get a better view of supporters expectations if you asked to consider the impact of performance in Europe & Cup competitions.

As an example, a City supporter might consider last 8 in the CL, League Cup & 2nd/3rd in League as a successful season. Whereas in just the league it is a simple 1st.

ronjo

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Really? Taking the first two Utd & Chelsea posts. I'm going to assume it is the same with Arsenal:





So can you point out what the difference is? As I said any Top 4 team will have the exact same answers:

a) 1st
b) inside top 4
c) outside top 4

Taking a quick look at Liverpool and Spurs replies suggest the same trend.

I'm not questioning the validity of the OP's question, but was the answer to this question not as obvious as it could be? Hence why I said you might get a better view of supporters expectations if you asked to consider the impact of performance in Europe & Cup competitions.

As an example, a City supporter might consider last 8 in the CL, League Cup & 2nd/3rd in League as a successful season. Whereas in just the league it is a simple 1st.

OP here.

Feel free to set up such a thread so.
I am not only interested in fans of the top sides so its interesting for me to see Villa, Newcastle, Sheff Wed fans and even the poor Leeds fan plus non English sides.
I wanted it nice and simple.

That_Guy

Newcastle:

Just don't get relegated, just don't get relegated, just don't get relegated.

Green Giant

Liverpool

a) 4th or higher, new signings make a positive impact
b) 5th with a decent push for top 4
c) 6th or lower, more crappy home results, new signings don't work out

Will I Amnt

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Really? Taking the first two Utd & Chelsea posts. I'm going to assume it is the same with Arsenal:





So can you point out what the difference is? As I said any Top 4 team will have the exact same answers:

a) 1st
b) inside top 4
c) outside top 4

Taking a quick look at Liverpool and Spurs replies suggest the same trend.

I'm not questioning the validity of the OP's question, but was the answer to this question not as obvious as it could be? Hence why I said you might get a better view of supporters expectations if you asked to consider the impact of performance in Europe & Cup competitions.

As an example, a City supporter might consider last 8 in the CL, League Cup & 2nd/3rd in League as a successful season. Whereas in just the league it is a simple 1st.

The difference is, with Fergie in charge a 3rd place finish would not really be acceptable. With Moyes it is for me.

I'm pretty sure most Chelsea fans will be expecting to be in the top 2 this season whether they want to be brave enough to say it here or not.

thebaz

Columbia wrote: »

Everton

a) 4th
b) 7th
c) 8th

with a new manager , no investment those are incredibly high expectations on Martinez

I'd go

a) 8
b) 12
d) 16

DoctorGonzo08

Will I Amnt wrote: »

The difference is, with Fergie in charge a 3rd place finish would not really be acceptable. With Moyes it is for me.

I'm pretty sure most Chelsea fans will be expecting to be in the top 2 this season whether they want to be brave enough to say it here or not.

So is that saying a 3rd for Fergie was poor or acceptable? Even though you are saying there is a difference it still falls into the

a) 1st
b) inside top 4
c) outside top 4

For the Top 4, if they don't win it, they have to qualify for the CL, which would then be acceptable. A poor season would be not to qualify. So even though you are saying there is a difference, the expectations haven't changed.

mitosis

Leeds

a) Top six
b) Top eight
c) Ninth+

Pepe LeFrits

Arsenal

1st
2nd, or 3rd/4th but within 10 points of 1st
anything else