Aaron Hernandez Thread

mongoman

Syferus wrote: »

I have to disagree with the sentiment that this is something unprecedented, it's just the latest in a very long line of crimes and abuses by pro athletes.

Criminalty does, has and will always occur amongst athletes. But I have never seen anything as shocking as this in the NFL before.

DDC1990

jack presley wrote: »

A nice summary if you'e just logging on and don't want to read through loads of pages

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22536196/prosecution-details-what-allegedly-happened-night-odin-lloyd-died

He's fúcked, if that info is legit.

Shocking.

Syferus

mongoman wrote: »

Criminalty does, has and will always occur amongst athletes. But I have never seen anything as shocking as this in the NFL before.

OJ's case was more shocking, if I'm being honest. It happened after his NFL career was over but that's neither here nor there and he was certainly a big star when it happened.

mongoman

Syferus wrote: »

OJ's case was more shocking, if I'm being honest. It happened after his NFL career was over but that's neither here nor there

Sorry there's no comparison. O.J. simpson was out of football and retired for 15 years when his drama unfolded.

Syferus

mongoman wrote: »

Sorry there's no comparison. O.J. simpson was out of football and retired for 15 years when his drama unfolded.

That changes absolutely nothing. The only difference is a team takes a hit too, nothing more.

Chucky the tree

How was the Ray Lewis case not as shocking? Because he wasn't friends with the person killed in that incident?

Hazys

jack presley wrote: »

A nice summary if you'e just logging on and don't want to read through loads of pages

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22536196/prosecution-details-what-allegedly-happened-night-odin-lloyd-died

Where are the other 2 guys? Any one of them could have pulled the trigger? All guilty as each other but its weird that there is no word on the other two and Hernandez is getting tried alone.

I can only presume they have struck a deal.

mongoman

Syferus wrote: »

That changes absolutely nothing. The only difference is a team takes a hit too, nothing more.

Don't be ridiculous, how can you compare them. One guy was gone from the league for 15 years. The other is an active player, a rising star. And a player that was to be a core part of a teams offense for many years to come.

Red Crow

Fair play to the Pats tbh

bryangiggsy

Just read that cbs article. Again if true he is pretty screwed...if charged and convicted of murder its life without parole in mass. I thought the photo of him being arrested was weird. Answered the door without his shirt on and prob refused to put one on as he badass so they pulled one over his head while cuffed...Punk. Talk anout pi$$in it all away

Jolly Red Giant

For those suggesting the Pats might get cap relief - won't happen.

When Darrent Williams was murdered in 2007 the Broncos didn't receive any cap relief - similarly when Sean Taylor was shot and killed the Redskins didn't get any cap relief. Both clubs had to swallow the pro-rata signing bonus payments and any bonuses the players would have earned through to the end of their contracts. If it didn't happen in those tragic cases does anyone seriously believe that the NFL will make an exception for a player cut by the Pats?

Son Of A Vidic

It really seems like the police are convinced the Hernandez is the only shooter/killer involved. I read this report from the DA earlier, stating that Llyod was shot three times by Hernandez as he got out of the car. Hernandez then stood over him and pumped two more bullets into his chest. Head = fúcked when I read it. Is this guy an NFL star or a cold blooded Mafia hitman? http://nesn.com/2013/06/aaron-hernandez-live-blog/

This guy was one of my favourite players, destined to be a TE superstar for years to come. A new dad, big contract, had it all. And now he allegedly gunned down a friend because he píssed him off. To say my head is spinning an understatement

Son Of A Vidic

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

That's right, I only got 2 of those 5 charges though..

1) Unlawful possession of a firearm.
2) Possession of a large capacity firearm.
3) ?
4) ?
5) ?

Just saw the full charge sheet against Hernandez.

Charge : Counts
First degree murder: 1

Carrying a firearm without a license: 1

Possession of a large capacity firearm: 2

Possession of a firearm without a FID ( Firearm Identification card): 2

That's the six charges in total we spoke about earlier.

GoldFour4

Just saw this pic online. Guns aren't cool Aaron!

Lirange

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How was the Ray Lewis case not as shocking? Because he wasn't friends with the person killed in that incident?

He was at worst accessory to murder. It's not thought Lewis actually committed the murder but didn't cooperate with police and refused to testify against his friend. That would be the difference.

Son Of A Vidic

malistheman wrote: »

Just saw this pic online. Guns aren't cool Aaron!

And the story associated with that pic.....

Aaron Hernandez was locked and loaded 4 years before his current alleged murder predicament ... and he made sure to capture the gun-toting moment on camera.

TMZ has obtained this photo ... showing a 19-year-old Aaron brandishing a Glock handgun for a selfie iPhone pic. You can see a magazine inserted into the gun, but it's unclear if it was loaded.

We've learned the pic was taken in Gainesville, Florida in 2009 ... the same time Hernandez was playing football for the University of Florida.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/26/aaron-hernandez-gun-glock-murder-photo/#ixzz2XMoyhLvw
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Hammar

Gronkastic

^ ^ ^

Maybe if you read the posts, you might find it easier to follow.

Chucky the tree

I wouldn't be surprised if the two guys with Aaron turned on him.

Lirange wrote: »

He was at worst accessory to murder. It's not thought Lewis actually committed the murder but didn't cooperate with police and refused to testify against his friend. That would be the difference.

Pretty sure it wasn't known when he it happened and he was originally charged. Getting rid of his suit didn't help his situation either.

Son Of A Vidic

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

For those suggesting the Pats might get cap relief - won't happen.

I wouldn't be so sure about that...

By releasing Hernandez on Wednesday, the Patriots appear to have waived all rights to recoup any bonus money or salary through the CBA.

One other factor to consider: A club can recover bonus money and avoid a cap hit if a player violates one of the league's personal conduct policies or defaults on contract language.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4744788/cap-implications-of-cutting-hernandez

Personally, I don't care because it's not about the money. Releasing him was just the right thing to do.

Hazys

Lirange wrote: »

He was at worst accessory to murder. It's not thought Lewis actually committed the murder but didn't cooperate with police and refused to testify against his friend. That would be the difference.

Ray Lewis was initially arrested on Murder charges and not given bail just like Hernandez. He got off on obstruction of justice charges, could happen to Hernandez too.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/26/ray-lewis-initially-was-held-without-bail-too/

Funny how time and the charade that Lewis puts on as a god fearing and god loving man covers up for the fact that he is in fact just a scumbag who should be in prison.

El Horseboxo

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if the two guys with Aaron turned on him.

How they have barely been mentioned at all is quite strange. It's a possibility that they have both implicated Aaron and will turn states witness.

Chucky the tree

Hazys wrote: »

Ray Lewis was initially arrested on Murder charges and not given bail just like Hernandez. He got off on obstruction of justice charges, could happen to Hernandez too.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/26/ray-lewis-initially-was-held-without-bail-too/

Funny how time and the charade that Lewis puts on as a god fearing and god loving man covers up for the fact that he is in fact just a scumbag who should be in prison.

But he shouldn't be.

preeti222

Will this affect brady ?

bryangiggsy

preeti222 wrote: »

Will this affect brady ?

Of course .. Why would it not ?

TO.

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Of course .. Why would it not ?

Will it affect him mentally or physically no it will not. Will it affect his options on the field yes it will. With all the Pats players the shock of all these events will pass long before they enter camp and they will move on.

Paully D

Hazys wrote: »

Ray Lewis was initially arrested on Murder charges and not given bail just like Hernandez. He got off on obstruction of justice charges, could happen to Hernandez too.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/26/ray-lewis-initially-was-held-without-bail-too/

Funny how time and the charade that Lewis puts on as a god fearing and god loving man covers up for the fact that he is in fact just a scumbag who should be in prison.

For the millionth time on this forum, Lewis was found innocent of more serious charges and was instead found guilty of obstruction of justice by a court of law. People can argue all they want, but that is a fact. The prosecution were unable to produce anything but circumstantial evidence and the only witness who testified that Lewis attacked anyone was a convicted criminal.

Son Of A Vidic

preeti222 wrote: »

Will this affect brady ?

Your welcome over to the Pats thread because we've kinda discussed this.

Masked Man

Paully D wrote: »

For the millionth time on this forum, Lewis was found innocent of more serious charges and was instead found guilty of obstruction of justice by a court of law. People can argue all they want, but that is a fact. The prosecution were unable to produce anything but circumstantial evidence and the only witness who testified that Lewis attacked anyone was a convicted criminal.

Wait, I thought he pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and had the murder charges dropped??? I thought the prosecution case was weak but that's still along way from being found guilty or not guilty.

Hazys

Paully D wrote: »

For the millionth time on this forum, Lewis was found innocent of more serious charges and was instead found guilty of obstruction of justice by a court of law. People can argue all they want, but that is a fact. The prosecution were unable to produce anything but circumstantial evidence and the only witness who testified that Lewis attacked anyone was a convicted criminal.

Ya because the court of law has a 100% strike. Less than 60% of all murders in the US result in a conviction (and even at that how many of the 60% are fully solved). So the court of law is far from a fact. If you believe that, then you believe OJ never murdered anybody and Al Capone was a misunderstood business man who was bad at accounting.

If he's innocent, why did he destroy the suit? why hasn't he come out and told us what happened that night? Why did he pay off the family?

Till i get those answers, he's a scumbag in my eyes.