Aaron Hernandez Thread

eagle eye

I wish there was an ignore thread feature. I feel physically sick everytime I come onto the forum and see this thread.:(

I just want to forget all about this guy.

Masked Man

Masked Man wrote: »

Also the other two suspects were arrested after Hernandez. Carlos Ortiz is charged with possession of a firearm, and DA said more could be added, seems pretty light. Ortiz was arrested in Connecticut, there were media reports that it was at Hernandez's uncle's house. Either way def in CT.

Yeah about Ortiz not flipping...

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/07/cops_cited_cocaine_in_aaron_hernandez_court_papers

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/07/03/aaron-hernandez-apartment-search-uncovered-ammo-and-sweatshirt-possibly-worn-the-night-murder/AKS33QJqQ2Xy5iYjO8rBsN/story.html

Arawn

I know it's not going to happen and it's terrible what he did, but could you imagine the amount of people who would be backtracking etc if it came out he was innocent completely!!

Jolly Red Giant

mongoman wrote: »

Who cares? Why do you need to even say that? But it does sum up a lot of the immaturity around here from some quarters.

Because a lot of the daft comments about what the Pats knew or didn't know were based on a dislike of the Pats - not on the actual reality of what was happening.

Son Of A Vidic

Arawn wrote: »

I know it's not going to happen and it's terrible what he did, but could you imagine the amount of people who would be backtracking etc if it came out he was innocent completely!!

I read this a few days ago and it's an interesting article.

Q: How strong is the evidence against Hernandez?


A:The police and prosecutors have assembled an impressive, minute-by-minute chronology of what they think led up to the shooting. They will be able to show that Hernandez was with Lloyd in a rental car, that they made at least one stop as they drove around together and that Hernandez was pulling into his driveway at home two minutes after witnesses heard a series of shots in the industrial park where Lloyd's body was discovered. The detail, confirmed by receipts and text messages and phone calls, will be persuasive evidence in a trial.

But prosecutors might not have the weapon used in the killing. Authorities searched a stream and a lagoon near Hernandez's house but apparently found nothing. And prosecutors might not have an eyewitness who was present when the shots were fired. If the prosecutors later produce the gun and acquaintances of the two men who were with them in the hours and minutes before the shooting, the prosecution's case could become overwhelming. The authorities were not obligated to disclose all their evidence in the hearing Wednesday. If they were holding back on the gun and on cooperating witnesses, Hernandez will face a virtually insurmountable challenge.

Since then, both other suspects have been taken into custody and the singing has begun. No doubt, this will only make things worse for Hernandez.

Q: There has been a lot of talk about obstruction of justice: Hernandez allegedly destroying his cellphone, destroying his home video surveillance system and cleaning out his house. What happened to all of that?

Despite the reports, investigators were able to pull evidence from Hernandez's cellphone and from his surveillance system. The description of the evidence included numerous items that were taken from the supposedly destroyed cellphone and surveillance system. Even though the technology was destroyed, it appears investigators were able to extract important information from the pieces and fragments that were left. The focus is now clearly on the murder charge and not on the possible obstruction charge.

It shows the confidence the DA has in pursuing a murder charge, because he bypassed an obstruction charge and went straight to murder 1.

Q: What is the likely outcome of this prosecution?


A: The case against Hernandez is strong and probably will grow stronger. Even without the weapon, the prosecution has powerful evidence. If a detailed review of the evidence against Hernandez shows him to face terrible odds in a trial, Hernandez and his attorneys could seek a plea bargain, a settlement that will allow Hernandez to serve a lengthy term in the penitentiary but still have some life left upon his release.

Entire article here http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9426203/case-details-aired-arraignment-former-new-england-patriots-tight-end-aaron-hernandez-appear-strong

From a crime point of view yes he's been charged with murder, but the police will obviously have to prove it in a court of law. But things certainly don't look good for Hernandez.

Another thing that really stood out was the comments of the judge during the initial court appearance and charging. Regarding the evidence, Judge Renee Dupuis said this - "The evidence against Hernandez was circumstantial to be sure, but a very, very strong circumstantial case."

Apparently it is very unusual for a judge at an arraignment hearing, to emphasis the strength of a circumstancial case by saying it was - "very, very strong circumstantial case." So I'm thinking at this stage it would be a miracle if he walked away from all of this a free man.

Chucky the tree

I think him getting a jury who don't already have their mind made up about it will be very difficult as well. I don't I've seen (m)any commments saying they think he is innocent.

Jolly Red Giant

I would be surprised if a plea agreement isn't reached - particularly if the other two suspect roll on Hernandez.

Son Of A Vidic

From the horse's mouth so to speak......Robert Kraft who was out of the country when the Hernandez crap blew up, had this to say after he arrived back.

Here is the full text of Patriots owner Robert Kraft's statement to reporters from ESPNBoston.com, the Boston Globe and Boston Herald today:

“I want to thank each of you for coming here today. Today is my first business day back in the country since Aaron’s arrest; I arrived back in the country on Saturday. I want to establish up front that I have to be limited in what I talk about today as there is an ongoing criminal investigation, as well as other potential civil proceedings. In regards to that, I have been advised by my General Counsel to limit the subject matter of our discussion today. That being said, I do think it is important that our fan base hear directly from our organization. Also, out of respect to each of you and the organizations you represent, I wanted to do this face to face and not over the phone from Europe.

“Following Aaron’s arrest, I read a number of different accounts of how things transpired in our organization. Let me be clear, we decided the week prior to Aaron’s arrest that if Aaron was arrested in connection with the Lloyd murder case that we would cut him immediately after. The rationale behind that decision was that if any member of the New England Patriots organization is close enough to a murder investigation to actually get arrested – whether it be for obstruction of justice or the crime itself, it is too close to an unthinkable act for that person to be part of this organization going forward.”

Fair play to the Patriot insiders on PFW in Progress, who were calling this from the 20/6/13, nearly a week before he was arrested. Never again will I question you guys.

Masked Man

Apparently this is a letter Hernandez sent the Pats before the draft.

Dear Mr. Caserio:

I am writing in regards to some of the feedback I am receiving from my agents, Florida coaches and other NFL personnel. These sources have indicated that NFL teams have questions about my alleged use of marijuana. I personally answered these questions during the pre-draft process, but understand that NFL teams want to conduct thorough due diligence before making the significant financial investment inherent in a high draft pick. I have no issue with these questions being asked, but thought that it made the most sense to communicate with you directly regarding this issue so you would not have to rely upon second-hand information.

Any information I volunteer to you about my past will be looked at with great skepticism as I am trying to get drafted as high as possible by a NFL team. As such, I thought that the best way to answer your questions and your concerns was to make a very simple proposition. If you draft me as a member of the New England Patriots, I will willfully submit to a bi-weekly drug test throughout my rookie season (8 drug tests during the 2010 regular season). In addition, I will tie any guaranteed portion of my 2010 compensation to these drug tests and reimburse the team a pro-rata amount for any failed drug test. My agents have explained that a direct forfeiture provision in my contract along these lines would violate the CBA rules. However, I have instructed them to be creative in finding a contract structure that would work or in the worst case scenario, I would donate the pro-rata portion of my guaranteed money to the team’s choice of charities. My point is simple – if I fail a drug test, I do not deserve that portion of the money.

I realize that this offer is somewhat unorthodox, but it is also the only way I could think of to let you know how serious I am about reaching my potential in the NFL. My coaches have told you that nobody on our Florida team worked harder than me in terms of workouts, practices or games. You have your own evaluation as to the type of impact I can have on your offense. The only X-factor, according to the reports I have heard, is concerns about my use of recreational drugs. To address that concern, I am literally putting my money where my mouth is and taking the financial risk away from the team and putting it directly on my back where it belongs.

In closing, I ask you to trust me when I say you have absolutely nothing to worry about when it comes to me and the use of recreational drugs. I have set very high goals for myself in the NFL, and am focused 100% on achieving those goals. So, test me all you want during my rookie year…all of the results will be negative while I am having an overwhelmingly positive impact on the field.

Good luck with your preparations for the NFL Draft and feel free to contact me at my agency (Athletes First/David Dunn) with any questions.

Sincerely,

Aaron Hernandez

University of Florida
- See more at: http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2013/07/hernandez_pre_draft_letter_proposed_clause_on#sthash.ByKHEV43.dpuf

Also, details about/from the search warrants to be released at 7.

Chucky the tree

Seems as if they do have testimony from someone who was in the car.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000216990/article/aaron-hernandez-admitted-to-firing-fatal-shots-documents-say

Masked Man

The documents say Hernandez associate Carlos Ortiz told Massachusetts investigators that another man, Ernest Wallace, said Hernandez admitted shooting semi-pro football player Odin Lloyd last month in an industrial park near Hernandez's home in North Attleborough. The documents were filed in court by the Miramar, Fla., police department to justify a search of Wallace's home in that city.

Obv not an expert on US law, but how does this get admitted? Seems like the definition of hearsay.

Also makes it sound like it was only Hernandez and Lloyd in the car.

Chucky the tree

Masked Man wrote: »

Obv not an expert on US law, but how does this get admitted? Seems like the definition of hearsay.

Also makes it sound like it was only Hernandez and Lloyd in the car.

I think only hearsay counts in a trial.

Masked Man

Yeah I was wondering about the trial. They might not be using it. This is from SI

Ortiz told police that during the drive Hernandez told Lloyd that Lloyd had been "chilling" with people Hernandez had problems with, the documents say. But Ortiz told police the two men shook hands and the problem seemed smoothed over. However, the Altima soon stopped, and everyone but Ortiz got out to urinate, according to Ortiz's account.

The witness told police he then heard gunshots before Hernandez and Wallace got back into the car without Lloyd and the car sped away.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130709/aaron-hernandez-released-evidence/#ixzz2Yda6qMWf

The ADA say that Lloyd was shot as he was getting out of the car.

Hazys

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/10/affidavit-confirms-ortiz-flipped-on-hernandez-told-them-the-whole-story/

Ortiz said that he and Wallace arrived at Hernandez’s home in North Attleboro just after midnight on June 17, 2013. Hernandez and Shayanna Jenkins weren’t home; a babysitter let Wallace and Ortiz into the home.

Ortiz saw “a small and large handgun” in the home, and when Hernandez returned with Jenkins, Ortiz saw Hernandez “carrying a handgun.”

The three men — Hernandez, Ortiz, and Wallace — left the home at 1:09 a.m., stopping once for gas and then picking up Odin Lloyd and traveling back to North Attleboro.

Ortiz told police that, on the drive back, “he overheard Mr. Hernandez state directly to Mr. Lloyd that he was ‘chilling’ with people that [Hernandez] had problems with.” Ortiz said that Hernandez and Lloyd “made up by ‘shaking hands’ and added that ‘it’ was squashed.”

Ortiz then fell asleep. He woke up when the vehicle stopped, and Ortiz saw the other three men — Hernandez, Wallace, and Lloyd — get out of the car “to urinate.”

Ortiz then heard gunshots.

Hernandez and Wallace got back in to the car “without Mr. Lloyd,” and the vehicle “fled” the scene.

Because he had been asleep and stayed in the car, Ortiz didn’t know who had fired the shots, which makes Monday’s report that Wallace told Ortiz that Hernandez fired the shots now more sensible.

When the vehicle returned to Hernandez’s house, Wallace asked Ortiz to get a small gun located under the rear of the driver’s seat. Ortiz got the gun, carried it inside, and gave it to Hernandez.

Ortiz said that he then went back to sleep.

Son Of A Vidic

Wouldn't be surprised now if Wallace started making counter claims (he stayed in the car and Ortiz got out ect) Then the shítfest would truly start.

SK1979

Man how are those stories allowed to be printed. Surely it makes the chances of getting a fair trial more remote?

When is the next court date? Presume there'll be a plead then?

UnitedIrishman

Th whole 'Ortiz fell asleep' part seems more than dodgy to me in terms of knowing what happened.

Son Of A Vidic

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Th whole 'Ortiz fell asleep' part seems more than dodgy to me in terms of knowing what happened.

Funny smell coming of it alright. Then I read that Ortiz said Wallace told him Hernanadez admitted to him (Wallace) that he shot the victim. So if Ortiz was woken by the car stopping and the other three men getting out for a píss.

Why would Hernandez admit to Wallace that he shot the victim? Wasn't Wallace outside of the car already with Hernandez and wouldn't he have known?

Now unless Wallace got out of the car and then fell asleep? Maybe that's why Hernandez felt he needed to tell Wallace who just whacked the victim.

They're like rats on a sinking ship. If this continues, it only increases the chances of us not knowing who the real shooter was. And if it was Hernandez, I'm sure his expensive lawyers would be able to pick apart what we've read so far.

Arawn

HigginsJ

Honest to god, words cannot describe the stupidity of some people

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217697/article/pouncey-twins-don-free-hernandez-caps-at-club

Son Of A Vidic

HigginsJ wrote: »

Honest to god, words cannot describe the stupidity of some people

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217697/article/pouncey-twins-don-free-hernandez-caps-at-club

Just thought I'd do a more accurate version of that image.....







Idiots.

Itssoeasy

Tweet from Maurkice pouncy eight hours ago on twitter.

"I fully recognize the seriousness of the situation involving my former teammate, and I regret that my actions appear to make light of that serious situation. I apologize to anyone who was offended by my actions."

Seems like someone in the steelers PR dept told him to cop on which is good stuff.

Arawn

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Tweet from Maurkice pouncy eight hours ago on twitter.

"I fully recognize the seriousness of the situation involving my former teammate, and I regret that my actions appear to make light of that serious situation. I apologize to anyone who was offended by my actions."

Seems like someone in the steelers PR dept told him to cop on which is good stuff.

lol look at the wording, it's not an apology

mongoman

Arawn wrote: »

lol look at the wording, it's not an apology

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I regret that my actions appear to make light of that serious situation. I apologize to anyone who was offended by my actions."

When someone apologises to anyone who was offended, then that goes down as an apology in my books.

Son Of A Vidic

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Seems like someone in the steelers PR dept told him to cop on which is good stuff.

Oh you can be sure about that. Because if someone is stupid enough to do what they did. They're not likely to suddenly grow a brain and come out with a statement like that.

Chucky the tree

I thought it was pretty funny on their part.

danthedolphin

HigginsJ wrote: »

Honest to god, words cannot describe the stupidity of some people

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000217697/article/pouncey-twins-don-free-hernandez-caps-at-club

It really was a facepalm moment. Even more annoying that one of those idiots plays for my beloved Phins.

kryogen

I was only just directed to the AH twitter account, where like the day after Llyods body was found AH did one of his regular, "good morning" tweets.

I just looks so cold now.

Just a normal day

Tristram

Made the Irish Times today (picked up from the NY Times).

When asked about players who are no longer with the New England Patriots, coach Bill Belichick usually says he will discuss only the names on his roster.

Until yesterday, Belichick had not spoken publicly about the arrest of Aaron Hernandez, a former Patriots tight end, on a first-degree murder charge last month. But the start of training camp presented an opportunity to address the Hernandez case, which has stunned the NFL and shaken up the Patriot organisation.

Belichick read from a statement for roughly seven minutes and took questions for 15 minutes, although he said he was unable to answer many of them because of the continuing investigation. He mentioned Hernandez’s name once and did not mention Odin Lloyd, whom Hernandez is charged with murdering, by name.

“I extend my sympathy to the ones who have been impacted,” said Belichick, who described the situation as sad “on so many levels.” He added: “A young man lost his life, and his family has suffered a tragic loss. There is no way to understate that.”

He also addressed, at least in a passing way, the fact that the Patriots drafted Hernandez after others around the league questioned his character.
“As the coach of the team, I’m primarily responsible for the people that we bring into the football operation,” Belichick said.

The Patriots released Hernandez shortly after he was arrested but before he was charged with first-degree murder. Hernandez also faces five gun-related charges and is being investigated as the possible gunman in a double homicide in Boston in July 2012, a month before he signed a contract extension worth more than $40 million.

Hernandez was scheduled for a hearing yesterday in his first-degree murder case, but it was delayed to allow the prosecution to collect more evidence for presentation to a grand jury. The next hearing is scheduled for August 22nd. Hernandez is being held without bail in a county jail in North Dartmouth, Massachusetts.

Belichick said he learned of the situation while he was out of the country.
“I and other members of the organisation were shocked and disappointed at what we had learned — having someone in your organisation that’s involved in a murder investigation is a terrible thing,” he said. “After consultation with ownership, we acted swiftly and decisively.”

When asked about defensive back Alfonzo Dennard, a felon still on the roster, Belichick declined to comment, again citing a continuing legal case. In February, Dennard was convicted of assaulting a police officer, an episode that occurred a week before the Patriots drafted him in 2012. He is to serve a 30-day jail sentence in March. Two weeks ago, Dennard was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence, a possible parole violation. He is scheduled to have another hearing August 27th.

“Our players are generally highly motivated, gifted athletes who come from very different backgrounds,” Belichick said. “They’ve met many challenges along the way and have done things to get here. Sometimes they made bad or immature decisions.”
He added: “We try to look at every single situation on a case-by-case basis and try to do what’s best for the football team and best for the franchise. Most of the decisions have worked out. Some don’t. Over all, I’m proud of the hundreds of players that have come through this program.”
Referring to the Hernandez case, Belichick said, “I’m personally disappointed and hurt in a situation like this.”

The team’s owner, Robert K Kraft, recently said, “If this stuff is true, then I’ve been duped.” Belichick, when asked if he felt the same way, declined to comment. Belichick also declined to say whether he had retained legal counsel or had been subpoenaed.
He said the team had not been aware until recently of the July 2012 shooting being investigated for a possible link to Hernandez.

The team’s methods for evaluating players, Belichick said, have been in place since 2000. He said he was comfortable with the methods but might make a few minor changes.

“Obviously, this process is far from perfect, but it’s one we’ve used from 2000 until today,” he said. “Unfortunately, this most recent situation, with the charges that are involved, is not a good one on that record.”
No players spoke to the news media, but quarterback Tom Brady, when asked this week about Hernandez, told Sports Illustrated, “I have moved on.” Belichick expressed similar sentiments.

“We’ll learn from this terrible experience and become a better team from the lessons that we’ve learned,” Belichick said.
He added: “My comments are certainly not in proportion to the unfortunate and sad situation we have here. It’s time for the New England Patriots to move forward.”

Son Of A Vidic

When asked about defensive back Alfonzo Dennard, a felon still on the roster, Belichick declined to comment, again citing a continuing legal case.

The press conference yesterday was called to address the Hernandez situation only and no other issue. Of course there's always one dummy reporter that asks a totally unrelated question to Hernadez.


This is the full statement Bill gave yesterday..

I’m going to address the situation involving Aaron Hernandez today. I felt that it was important enough to do that prior to the start of camp.

It’s a sad day, really a sad day on so many levels. Our thoughts and prayers are with the family of the victim and I extend my sympathy really to everyone who has been impacted. A young man lost his life. His family has suffered a tragic loss and there’s no way to understate that.

When I was out of the country, I learned about the ongoing criminal investigation that involved one of our players, and I and other members of the organization were shocked and disappointed in what we had learned. Having someone in your organization that’s involved in a murder investigation is a terrible thing. After consultation with ownership, we acted swiftly and decisively.

Robert [Kraft] and his family and I, since I got here in 2000, have always emphasized the need for our team and our players and our organization to represent the community the right way both on and off the field. We’ve worked very hard together over the past 14 years to put together a winning team that’s a pillar in the community. I agree 100 percent with the comments that Robert has already made on the situation. I stand behind those as well.

This case involves an individual who happened to be a New England Patriot. We certainly do not condone unacceptable behavior, and this does not in any way represent the way that the New England Patriots want to do things. As the coach of the team, I’m primarily responsible for the people that we bring into the football operation. Our players are generally highly motivated and gifted athletes. They come from very different backgrounds. They’ve met many challenges along the way and have done things to get here. Sometimes they’ve made bad or immature decisions, but we try to look at every single situation on a case-by-case basis and try to do what’s best for the football team and what’s best for the franchise. Most of those decisions have worked out, but some don’t.

Overall, I’m proud of the hundreds of players that have come through this program, but I’m personally disappointed and hurt in a situation like this. As far as the whole process goes, I can tell you that we look at every player’s history from the moment we start discussing it, going back to his family, where he grew up, what his lifestyle was like, high school, college experiences. We evaluate his performance, his intelligence, his work ethic, his motivation, his maturity, his improvement, and we try to project that into our organization on a going-forward basis.

It combines a player’s personal history, but again, it also has to project what we think and how we think he will be in our environment. Obviously, this process is far from perfect, but it’s one that we’ve used from 2000 until today.

Unfortunately, this most recent situation with the charges that are involved is not a good one on that record. We’ll continue to evaluate the way we do things and the way we evaluate our players and we do it on a regular basis, not just at the beginning when they come in. We do it on a regular basis.

Personally, I’m challenged by decisions that affect the team on a daily basis, and I’m not perfect on that either, but I always try to do what I think is best for the football team.

We spent a considerable amount of time evaluating our current players and educating them on not only football, but many other life experiences and off-field subjects. We stress high character and we stress making good decisions. We’ll continue to do this and we’ll work to do a better job of it as we go forward. We’ll learn from this terrible experience that we’ve had. We’ll become a better team from the lessons that we’ve learned. We have so many players on this team that work hard, that do the right thing and that set a great example of being a professional and being a solid representative of this team and the community.

I know that there are a lot of questions, fair questions, about this subject and related subjects. I’m not trying to make the story disappear, but I respect the judicial process and been advised not to comment on ongoing legal proceedings. I’m advising our players to do the same thing. We have a system in justice that deals with criminal charges and ultimately the judge or the jury will determine the accountability. My comments are certainly not in proportion to the unfortunate and sad situation that we have here. I’ve been advised to address the subject once and it’s time for the New England Patriots to move forward.

Moving forward consists of what it’s always been here: to build a winning football team, be a strong pillar in the community, be a team that our fans can be proud of. That’s what we’re here for.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4745477/full-transcript-of-belichicks-qa#more

Tristram

ESPN and NFL have the video up although I'm not sure it's in full?

Son Of A Vidic

Tristram wrote: »

ESPN and NFL have the video up although I'm not sure it's in full?

Full video and press conference on the Pats team page here...

http://www.patriots.com/media-center/videos/Belichick-724-Time-for-the-Patriots-to-move-on/0c2fdd59-e4ce-4a72-85e9-60d3c2ac11e6

Hazys

The Gangster in the Huddle

• Hernandez was a heavy user of angel dust, and had become so paranoid over the last year that he carried a gun wherever he went.

• He surrounded himself with a cohort of gangsters, and cut himself off from his family and teammates.

• Hernandez had so infuriated his head coach, Bill Belichick, with missed practices and thug-life stunts, that he was one misstep from being cut.

• Both his parents, Dennis and Terri, had criminal records, as did much of his extended family.

• Terri allegedly cheated on Dennis before his death with a violent drug dealer named Jeffrey Cummings, then married Cummings after Dennis died and moved him into the house she shared with Aaron.

• In college his coach (then-University of Florida head coach Urban Meyer) may have helped cover up failed drug tests, along with two violent incidents — an assault and a drive-by shootout outside a local bar.

Hazys

The whole article stinks of BS to me.

First tell-tail sign is "WITH RON BORGES" :rolleyes:

Second, "they’d kicked it at Rumor, popping bottles and pulling models up the steps of the VIP section of the Boston theater district’s hottest club." Rumor is a ghetto nightclub. There would be no models there, only girls that can be described as hoodrats. Boston theater district’s hottest club ffs

He seemed to know what was coming, but decided to make a stand: The driver’s side mirror of the Nissan was broken off, a sign that he might have gone down swinging. On a sand-and-gravel patch, Lloyd raised his arms in defense of the first shot, and was then hit in the back twice as he turned away and fell to the ground. The gunman pumped two more rounds into his chest for good measure.

How the fcuk do they know this? It'd be great if they could pass this info onto the Police.

(BB) He signed so many players bearing red flags they could have marched in Moscow’s May Day parade (Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, et al.),

Donte Stallworth!! He never got into an ounce of trouble before or during his time at the Patriots. And his DUI case wasn't malicious, it was bad luck.

BB rarely signed players with flags. I can only think of Corey Dillon, Randy Moss and Haynesworth. If you compare the Patriots to any other teams, our players are angels. The Patriots are consistently at the bottom of the league when i comes to number of players getting arrested.



I don't buy it. It doesn't make sense. Why would the Patriots give him such an big contract, full of guarantees with zero bad behavior get out of jail free (pardon the turn of phrase) incentives for the Patriots, if there was any indication he was missing practices not to mention using angel dust.

This is the same high integrity magazine that put the Boston bomber portrayed as a rockstar on the front page of their magazine. Its a fcuking music magazine trying to make sales....not to mention again Ron Borges contributed

Son Of A Vidic

You know what they say, paper never refuses ink. Anyway Rolling Stone? Come on lets be honest here, it is Rolling Stone after all. Which is not exactly a bastion of journalistic integrity. But they are morphing into quite a nice little Troll rag imo.

Arawn

Hazys wrote: »

Ras-I Dowling cut, even with the uncertainty over Dennard it looks like we don't need him. A disappointing 2nd round CB who never could stay healthy, its a pity because he had so much potential.

Pats now have 8 CBs on the roster:
Aqib Talib, Alfonzo Dennard, Kyle Arrington, Logan Ryan, Marquice Cole, Stephon Morris, LeQuan Lewis, Justin Green

I epect us to carry 5: Aqib Talib, Alfonzo Dennard, Kyle Arrington, Logan Ryan, Marquice Cole.

Dowling being cut probably says a lot about how good a preseason Logan Ryan is having.

Hi, I see you've stumbled into the wrong thread little sparrow, The thread you meant to post in is that way>

randomCluster

I found the Rolling Stone article very interesting and I thought it was balanced. Fair enough, the build up to events on the night in question involves a lot of conjecture and there is undoubtedly some artistic license. However, the information about his formative years in Dorset and his time at Florida was quite informative and offered some insight to his life outside of the NFL.

TO.

randomCluster wrote: »

I found the Rolling Stone article very interesting and I thought it was balanced. Fair enough, the build up to events on the night in question involves a lot of conjecture and there is undoubtedly some artistic license. However, the information about his formative years in Dorset and his time at Florida was quite informative and offered some insight to his life outside of the NFL.

Ron Borges wrote it and you should take most of it with a pinch of salt. After the article was written there was plenty of discussion in the media saying that a lot of it was hear say and possibly not true. Which doesn't surprise me with Borges. The guy is nothing but a hack and most New England fans will agree with me. He also hates Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft so there is no surprise he would make up sh1t to put the Patriots in bad light in that article. He is nothing but a clown.

Hazys

TO. wrote: »

Ron Borges wrote it and you should take most of it with a pinch of salt. After the article was written there was plenty of discussion in the media saying that a lot of it was hear say and possibly not true. Which doesn't surprise me with Borges. The guy is nothing but a hack and most New England fans will agree with me. He also hates Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft so there is no surprise he would make up sh1t to put the Patriots in bad light in that article. He is nothing but a clown.

I've listened to a couple of Ron Borges interviews after the article and he's bact-tracking faster than Darrelle Revis

TO.

Hazys wrote: »

I've listened to a couple of Ron Borges interviews after the article and he's bact-tracking faster than Darrelle Revis

Yeah same even the day after the article was released he was on NFL AM and contradicted himself twice and when challenged about validity on certain things he refused to comment or dodged it. Dude is a grade A hack.

Paully D

He seems to stand by comments he made re: Belichick.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/08/30/ron-borges-defends-rolling-stones-aaron-hernandez-article-on-felger-mazz/

Ron Borges co-authored the Rolling Stone article on Aaron Hernandez that was released this week and has drawn reactions from coast to coast.

Locally, Patriots president Jonathan Kraft said on 98.5 The Sports Hub air that there were several factual inaccuracies in the story. Borges went on Felger & Mazz, with Dan Shaughnessy filling in for Michael Felger, on Friday to stand by the reporting in the story.

Kraft specifically said that Bill Belichick assured him that Aaron Hernandez did not confide in the coach that he felt his life was in danger. Borges said he believed that Belichick told Kraft that statement, but that doesn’t mean the coach was telling the truth.

Well, Bill said he never taped anybody’s hand signals,” Borges said, referencing SpyGate. “Well he did, didn’t he? And then they had the tape, and then the commissioner said he didn’t tell the truth, or the commissioner said, ‘I don’t believe this statement.’ That’s all I can say.

Borges said the truth will be exposed when those involved with the alleged conversation are called to testify under oath in Hernandez’s eventual trial.

“I guess Jonathan Kraft is going to be surprised to find out who helped [Hernandez] find the apartment, but that’s for a year from now,” Borges said.

Son Of A Vidic

Paully D wrote: »

Well, Bill said he never taped anybody’s hand signals,” Borges said, referencing SpyGate.

But Bill didn't tape anybody, Matt Walsh the video assistant did. The leagues 31 other team video assistants heeded Goodell's memo and stopped when told. The memo warned all teams about their taping procedures and it highlighted the new rules regarding same. Borges the professional Troll, is really grasping at straws now by dragging that up.

So Borges claims Bill got a player a safe house, after the player tells him his life is in danger. So a mult-million dollar star and an offensive pillar on the team, has his life threatened. And not only does Bill not even tell the head of team team security, but he doesn't even notify the police. Does Borges think we came down in the last shower?

Johnathan kraft has already highlighted some of the bullshít

"I read that article, and there's so much in it, and it reads like it's all factual, people were there, yet there are no named," Kraft said. "It's all unnamed, and yet it appears like people are in some very private moments and got the dialogue just right. Nothing is sourced, and reading the article, there were three things or two, three, four things in particular that I saw and I just know are completely factually inaccurate, I mean not close to being factually accurate. Just inaccurate. So I look at it and I read the article, and you wonder how much else in there is."

Yes Johnathan, it is what they call in writing circles as a work of fiction. Nothing is linked, there are no direct quotes and there are no names from any of these alleged 'sources' ect. Trolling of the highest level.

TO.

Paully D wrote: »

He seems to stand by comments he made re: Belichick.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/08/30/ron-borges-defends-rolling-stones-aaron-hernandez-article-on-felger-mazz/

Ron Borges co-authored the Rolling Stone article on Aaron Hernandez that was released this week and has drawn reactions from coast to coast.

Locally, Patriots president Jonathan Kraft said on 98.5 The Sports Hub air that there were several factual inaccuracies in the story. Borges went on Felger & Mazz, with Dan Shaughnessy filling in for Michael Felger, on Friday to stand by the reporting in the story.

Kraft specifically said that Bill Belichick assured him that Aaron Hernandez did not confide in the coach that he felt his life was in danger. Borges said he believed that Belichick told Kraft that statement, but that doesn’t mean the coach was telling the truth.

Well, Bill said he never taped anybody’s hand signals,” Borges said, referencing SpyGate. “Well he did, didn’t he? And then they had the tape, and then the commissioner said he didn’t tell the truth, or the commissioner said, ‘I don’t believe this statement.’ That’s all I can say.

Borges said the truth will be exposed when those involved with the alleged conversation are called to testify under oath in Hernandez’s eventual trial.

“I guess Jonathan Kraft is going to be surprised to find out who helped [Hernandez] find the apartment, but that’s for a year from now,” Borges said.

Habitual Liars tend to believe their own sh1t. Just google Borges and you will see the type of sh1te he has come out with in the past. How he still has a job any type of journalist is beyond me. I always wondered if there was enough clowns out their supporting him and believing him to keep him in a job. Or do these outlets like him writing for them just to be controversial and drive sensationalism.

Hazys

He is a disgrace of a journalist, he was fired from the Boston Globe for plagiarism.

Just look at his wikipedia page, 90% of the page is 'Criticism'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Borges

He's a sh1t stirrer.

randomCluster

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story! Regardless of Borges, there is still the unanswered question as to how much Belichick knew what was going on, or indeed wanted to know. He's the man in charge, he drafted him and the buck has to stop somewhere. Perhaps as the article says Hernandez was just plain uncontrollable when away from the team. To be honest though, I don't think we'll ever get the truth about what happened that night or what, if anything, Belichick knew.

Unfortunately it's unlikely to be the last murder charge involving an NFL player.

Son Of A Vidic

randomCluster wrote: »

there is still the unanswered question as to how much Belichick knew what was going on, or indeed wanted to know. He's the man in charge, he drafted him and the buck has to stop somewhere.

The man in charge? The man in charge of what? Is he in charge of a team of players or is he in charge of every players life outside of football? If you leave your place of work, is your boss responsible for who you hang out with? Is your boss accountable for what you do with whom you hang out with? And should your boss take any sort of blame for who you might murder, maim or injure outside of the workplace? Now if anyone can answer yes to any of that? Then they need to catch the next flight back to 'planet unrealistic'.

randomCluster

Hernandez and I are two different animals. I wasn't taking selfies of myself in college whilst holding a gun. Belichick drafted Hernandez when other teams took him off their boards because of his questionable character issues. He knew he was dealing with a flawed character and he's responsible for bringing him into the organisation. I'm sure any well run team will keep an eye on their multi-million dollar assets off the pitch - it'd constitute too much of a risk not to. Hernandez's old team mate Tebow sure as hell wasn't brought in for his QB skills. As for my boss, well unfortunately my salary indicates that I am eminently replaceable. Therefore, it makes little financial sense to monitor my social life or what I post on facebook.

Masked Man

One of the three points in the article that Jonathan Kraft said was wrong was that BB had threatened to cut AH. He said that under the Kraft's ownership the Pats have only re-signed two drafted players after two years of playing. One was Gronk and the other was Hernandez. The Patriots do not commit as much money as they did to AH that early. It just doesn't happen, BB and the Krafts simply don't like doing it. We can speculate about what the organisation knew, but one of the facts is that they gave him a big contract. I'm more than willing to give the Patriots the benefit of the doubt on what they knew.

Chucky the tree

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

The man in charge? The man in charge of what? Is he in charge of a team of players or is he in charge of every players life outside of football? If you leave your place of work, is your boss responsible for who you hang out with? Is your boss accountable for what you do with whom you hang out with? And should your boss take any sort of blame for who you might murder, maim or injure outside of the workplace? Now if anyone can answer yes to any of that? Then they need to catch the next flight back to 'planet unrealistic'.

Being an NFL player isn't the same as a random day job so the comparisons aren't suitable.

Son Of A Vidic

randomCluster wrote: »

Hernandez and I are two different animals. I wasn't taking selfies of myself in college whilst holding a gun. Belichick drafted Hernandez when other teams took him off their boards because of his questionable character issues. He knew he was dealing with a flawed character and he's responsible for bringing him into the organisation.

The facts remain that prior to all this kicking off, no one had any indication about what he was really about. Players with flawed & questionable character have and will continue to be drafted in the NFL every year. Prior to the draft, the only rumors that surrounded Hernandez was the issue of him having smoked pot and having one or two bad friends.

Breaking News: College kid may have smoked pot and have a couple of dodgy friends.

Prior to the draft, no one mentioned or suggested that he was potential murderer and no one mentioned that he had a gun obsession.The photos of Hernandez posing with a gun was leaked after the murder. That picture shocked everyone. The only questions that really need to be answered here is, how much did the college and his coach know and conceal about his behaviour.

randomCluster wrote: »

I'm sure any well run team will keep an eye on their multi-million dollar assets off the pitch - it'd constitute too much of a risk not to.

The Irish police could not keep tabs on Larry Murphy. Who is a convicted rapist, kidnapper and suspected serial killer. That's just one man and you think an NFL team can monitor 61 players? Absolutely ridiculous.

If you think any NFL franchise has the manpower and resources to monitor, the out of hours activity of a 53 man roster and the 8 man practice squad. Then you are seriously, seriously deluded pal.

Apart from the serious legal issues and breaches of an individuals right to privacy, monitoring outside their place of work would constitute. The National Football League Players Association (Players Union) would have a field day and bury a team in the courts.

randomCluster wrote: »

Hernandez's old team mate Tebow sure as hell wasn't brought in for his QB skills.

Eh, whatever you say there bud. But I think I'll just let that work of fiction continue to play out in your head.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Being an NFL player isn't the same as a random day job so the comparisons aren't suitable.

You need the understand that being an NFL player is not a hobby or recreational activity. It is a job and a career, like your job and your career. Yes they are blessed to get paid for what they enjoy doing. But the fact that they play football, does nothing to change the fact that they are employed by the teams they play for and are therefore employees.

So once again I ask...

Is a Coach in charge of a team of players, or is he in charge of every players life outside of football?

If you leave your place of work, is your boss responsible for who you hang out with?

Is your boss accountable for what you do with whom you hang out with?

And should your boss take any sort of blame for who you might murder, maim or injure outside of the workplace?