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Prolife Campaign on Protection of Life in Pregnancy Bill Superthread
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Seriously, WFT is this shit? ...Because the child does not require child benefit from that point? But since when does the Irish Social Welfare system define the English language?
The child does not require child benefit, but has a choice? Is that what you're saying.
You have a lot of what appear, at first glance, to be reasonable arguments. But what they boil down to is that your belief in the right of an unborn child trumps all other rights, such as the right to life of the mother, the right to health of the mother.
If you don't want to be able to have an abortion and would not avail of one, that's great. More power to you, I applaud your commitment. But you do not, or should not, have the right to dictate to another person what they do, based on your beliefs.
If you believe that you do have that right, then there is no point in debating with you.0 -
Private funds, from private individuals - not state coffers.
Bull. There are 3 choices. The choice of the mother. The choice of the father. The choice of the child.
Considering 1 out of 3 isn't "pro-choice" at all.
No. They don't.
Citizens in Ireland do not.
...but not to refuse an abortion to save his childs life, right?
No I mean child. It's the dictionary defination of the word. I'm not trying to bend words to suit my interests. Seriously, WFT is this shit? ...Because the child does not require child benefit from that point? But since when does the Irish Social Welfare system define the English language?
Care to give me an example of where the Irish State will force a man to do something with his body against his will?
If the Irish State defines a fetus as a child then as a child it should be entitled to Child benefit. It is either entitled to the same rights as the already born or it is not. Can't have it both ways.0 -
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Bannasidhe wrote: »Again - I repeat where did I make any reference to Feminism in this thread?
I didn't - so I fail to see where I have engaged in any kind of 'whataboutery'.
If you think I agree with every thing ever said by every single feminist you are very much mistaken. Also, as there is no 'Feminist' HQ issuing statements on behalf of the Feminist Hive Mind to state that there is one single feminist perspective on anything is to show that you don't understand the first thing about feminism or the debates that occur within it's very broad spectrum.
Now - would you care to discuss the topic of this thread or do you intend to continue to try and drag it off topic so you can to indulge that bee in your bonnet?
In relation to YD, you argue that they do not represent the interests of Children as they should, e.g they only care about Fetus/Unborn Children what about the born children in need.
You are criticising the movement based on their narrow focus and perceived lack of care for other associated issues. Classic whataboutery.
ExampleBannasidhe wrote: »Where are the YD ad campaigns demanding that not one child should ever go hungry? We have in recent weeks heard school principles express grave concern at the increasing number of children arriving at schools hungry and the impact this has on their education - it's hard to concentrate when your belly is empty.
I do not consider there to be one unified feminist movement, where do I imply that.
What I do imply is that yourself as a poster consider that whataboutery is a dishonest debating tactic and I expressed curiosity as to why the defence can be applied to one social movement and not the other. here's a good example of your views.Bannasidhe wrote: »With respect that's rubbish.
One of the most constant criticisms of feminism on this site is that they are not campaigning enough for men. Actually is usually 'not at all' and then someone likes me shows that feminists like Catherine McGuinness are strongly campaigning for gender equality in Family Law and it becomes 'but...they arn't doing enough for us men.'
Seriously, Why should we campaign for men? We can unite with men to advocate for full equality agenda but that requires that men actually do some campaigning too. Honestly, sometimes it seems like some people want women to do everything while at the same time accepting the status quo.
Why can't men campaign on their own behalf?
Should farmer's also campaign on behalf of Fishermen?0 -
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So give pregnant women child benefit. Where does your straw man go now?Bannasidhe wrote: »Strawman - no. Just not a point you want to concede so you :rolleyes:. 0 -
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Bannasidhe wrote: »Well done you - you can use the search function.
You are still not addressing the topic of this thread however.
I was addressing the topic of this thread in that I was pointing out how your criticism of YD is either invalid or hypocritical due to your expressed views on the treatment of other topics, how is that not addressing the topic of the thread or can posts not be challenged
The fact you haven't engaged or refuted my point in relation to this would lead me to conclude your just arguing from a hypocritical stand point because of your personal beliefs, which is a disappointment as I would have thought that rationality rather than belief would be central to you?
PS expecting consistency in relation to the Irish civil service is asking a lot, Social Welfare can judge you as a def facto married couple where as Revenue will not.0 -
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