RAF Regiment win military comps

cruasder777

The Elite RAF Regiment defeat the US Army Rangers and Ex Russian Special Forces in military comp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c7kqyCpk4Qc



And RAF Regiment, yet again win British Army Bisley Sniper comp, defeating army and Royal Marines.


The RAF Regiment produce some of the best snipers in the British armed forces, the majority of SAS snipers are from the Parachute Regiment or RAF Reg Snipers. Potential RAF Regiment Gunners need to score higher on the Barb test,(hence why RAF Reg gunners dont sound thick as alot of pongos do), pre recruit fitness standards are the same as the Parachute Regiment (1.5 miles in under 9mins 45secs etc), basic training is also alot more demanding then army infantry regiments. RAF Regiment Paras pass the RAF version of P company.


The Trainee Gunner course is a physically arduous course and includes the standard RAF recruit training syllabus, fitness training, weapon handling, marksmanship, navigation, fieldcraft, basic tactics and the skills and behaviour expected of an RAF Regiment Gunner. Almost half of the course is spent in the field or on ranges. On successful completion of the course the student is ready to undertake phase 3 specialist training before being able to deploy on operations with an RAF Regiment operational field squadron.


The RAF Regiment also suppliers gunners to 1 Para, the Special Forces support Group.

amurph0

cruasder777

I find it amusing the army dont rate the RAF Regiment, when the RAF Regiment operate and train to a higher standard, even having a medium and long range patrol role.

The RAF Regiment also has more specialist kit.

Some of the training and roles the RAF Regiment supplies to the Army and Royal Marines includes:

FAC Parties
Bde Air Liaison Officers
Special Forces Support Group
Joint CBRN Regt
Counter Terrorism
Instrutors at Warminster and Sandhurst
Joint Personnel Recovery
Survival Training
Mountain Leader Training

pablomakaveli

I've never seen elite and RAF regiment used in the same sentence before.

Are you in the RAF regt op?

cruasder777

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I've never seen elite and RAF regiment used in the same sentence before.

Are you in the RAF regt op?

If the RAF Reg were not elite they would not supply Gunners to the Special Forces Support Group would they? And have Special Forces Gucchi Kit.

The only others who do are the Paras and Marines.

8 Field Squadrons provide ground security for RAF operations. This role is not limited to simple perimeter security but can include aggressive patrols out into the surrounding area. Weaponry and equipment available to field squadrons include MWMIK Jackals, WMIK Land Rovers, hmgs, gpmgs and 81mm mortars. Other RAF Regiment roles include provision of Tactical Air Control Parties (TACPs), CBRN detection and decontamination, combat search and rescue and special forces support.


The RAF Regiment are world Leaders in air Minded soldiering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x68QxBUiIAw#at=57


The Elite units of UK landforces are obviously SF and support units, the Paras and Para support units, RMs and support units, RAF Regiment,148 Battery
and 4/73 Sphinx' Battery Royal Artillery and the Honourable Artillery Company.


The Royal Irish who basically do a good job as a support unit to the Paras, Ie guarding and holding ground the Paras have taken, are nowhere to be seen.

The only army infantry to be considered elite would be the Rifles army commando battalion.

helimachoptor

But are they Tier 1 special forces :pac::pac:

pablomakaveli

cruasder777 wrote: »

If the RAF Reg were not elite they would not supply Gunners to the Special Forces Support Group would they? And have Special Forces Gucchi Kit.

The only others who do are the Paras and Marines.

8 Field Squadrons provide ground security for RAF operations. This role is not limited to simple perimeter security but can include aggressive patrols out into the surrounding area. Weaponry and equipment available to field squadrons include MWMIK Jackals, WMIK Land Rovers, hmgs, gpmgs and 81mm mortars. Other RAF Regiment roles include provision of Tactical Air Control Parties (TACPs), CBRN detection and decontamination, combat search and rescue and special forces support.


The RAF Regiment are world Leaders in air Minded soldiering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x68QxBUiIAw#at=57


The Elite units of UK landforces are obviously SF and support units, the Paras and Para support units, RMs and support units, RAF Regiment,148 Battery
and 4/73 Sphinx' Battery Royal Artillery and the Honourable Artillery Company.


The Royal Irish who basically do a good job as a support unit to the Paras, Ie guarding and holding ground the Paras have taken, are nowhere to be seen.

The only army infantry to be considered elite would be the Rifles army commando battalion.

Actually the recruits for special forces can come from any corps or cap badge. It's just the majority come from the paras and marines.

Also given how the RAF regt are so "elite" it's funny how the ones I've met have complained of doing nothing and being bored when deployed to Afghanistan. Seem like this elite regt is being under utilised at the moment in favour of hat regts like the royal Irish and rifles.

(Also Ill take the answer to my earlier question of are you in the RAF regt as a no then)

cruasder777

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Actually the recruits for special forces can come from any corps or cap badge. It's just the majority come from the paras and marines.

Also given how the RAF regt are so "elite" it's funny how the ones I've met have complained of doing nothing and being bored when deployed to Afghanistan. Seem like this elite regt is being under utilised at the moment in favour of hat regts like the royal Irish and rifles.

(Also Ill take the answer to my earlier question of are you in the RAF regt as a no then)

I was talking about the Special Forces Support Group.

Doing nothing, yeah right. Some how I think you are Bsing, Its the RAF Regiment who often go in with the Paras in airboune operations, due to their specialist role, the likes of the Royal Irish simply supply support after its all over.

Medium and Long Range Patrols go out up to 60 miles from base in support of the of SFSG and QRF.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCUgDi3u3Qw


34 Squadron Have only just returned home.

discus

I'll delve into this later, but this thread sums up entirely why you are nothing but a fantasist walt.

discus

And it's not just army who hate you, the real services all despise you and your ilk equally.

DipStick McSwindler

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pablomakaveli

IrishFeeney92 wrote: »

hard luck discus.......maybe next time

He's right. OP is spouting a load of fantasist nonsense. Try telling a Marine or Para that their equal to a guy from the RAF regiment and see what happens.

DipStick McSwindler

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pablomakaveli

IrishFeeney92 wrote: »

I was referring to the 3 posts discus made a moment ago (which he has since deleted)

Ah fair enough. Hadn't seen that.

discus

Well, i deleted the duplicate post... There were 'ex' RAF regt in my basic training, who claimed they did 1 field exercise, and it was conducted from a hanger.

It's embarrassing that someone would claim that RAF regt are equal to the 'RM and their support units' ( surely you mean 3 Commando Brigade, of which 148bty are a part of) considering that there is a single RAF officer currently badged from the all arms commando course.

Also, the rifles commando battalion is gone.

Also the Royal Irish don't support the paras. That's not their job. They are a unit in their own right within 16 air assault brigade.

And finally, RAF regt training doesn't match catterick.

There is so much **** in this guys posts, I'm convinced he's a troll.

tac foley

...and STILL we await an answer to the question - is he or is he not RAF Regiment?

tac

cruasder777

discus wrote: »

Well, i deleted the duplicate post... There were 'ex' RAF regt in my basic training, who claimed they did 1 field exercise, and it was conducted from a hanger.

It's embarrassing that someone would claim that RAF regt are equal to the 'RM and their support units' ( surely you mean 3 Commando Brigade, of which 148bty are a part of) considering that there is a single RAF officer currently badged from the all arms commando course.

Also, the rifles commando battalion is gone.

Also the Royal Irish don't support the paras. That's not their job. They are a unit in their own right within 16 air assault brigade.

And finally, RAF regt training doesn't match catterick.

There is so much **** in this guys posts, I'm convinced he's a troll.

So you knew a bloke who could not hack the impecable standards of basic training in the RAF reg so took the easy option of army infantry training. then slagged off the RAF regiment.

Absolute nonsense, the Royal Irish role is to hold the ground taken by the initial infantry air assault and play second fiddle to the Paras.

The RAF Regiment field gunner basic training course is 29 weeks.

There are 5 field exercises,( not inc numerous live fire exercises), week 9 fieldcraft exercise. Week 13 Forest exercise (equivilent to the RMs Hunters Moon), week 15 navigation exercise inc overnight navigation, week 16 patrols skills exercise, week 18 operation Omega exercise.


If a Gunner goes on to do the RAF version of P coy to be a Para, its 33 weeks in total.

cruasder777

discus wrote: »

And it's not just army who hate you, the real services all despise you and your ilk equally.

Real services lol ?

The average RAF Gunner is fitter, more intelligent and better trained and better turned out then the average pongo, fact.

Everything the RAF Regiment does is to a worldclass standard from drill to fitness to professional standards.

Why do you think RAF gunners serve with the Special Forces support group and pongos dont ?

cruasder777

pablomakaveli wrote: »

He's right. OP is spouting a load of fantasist nonsense. Try telling a Marine or Para that their equal to a guy from the RAF regiment and see what happens.

Fitness standards the same as the Paras and RAF Paras do the same version of P coy run by the RAF.

RAF Regiment Para selection.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKRtNyg4Yp0


Tell me, if RAF Regiment Paras do the same selection course to be a Para as the Parachute Regiment, why they are not equal ?



You guys should not believe everything written on the BA craphat forum, arrse. Alot of the posters on there are simply projecting their own failure and futility, their lives wasted as craphats.

pablomakaveli

cruasder777 wrote: »

Fitness standards the same as the Paras and RAF Paras do the same version of P coy run by the RAF.

RAF Regiment Para selection.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKRtNyg4Yp0


Tell me, if RAF Regiment Paras do the same selection course to be a Para as the Parachute Regiment, why they are not equal ?

Here's a little tid bit for you: EVERYONE who does p company has to pass the same standards. And anyone can go for it. Whether your REME, RLC etc

It's not just limited to the RAF and the Parachute Regiment.

And here's another bit of information for youonly a small few in the RAF regiment does p company. The actual fitness standards are the same as the Army 10:30 mile and a half as well as push ups and sit-ups. That information is on the RAFs own website.

And the idea of a RAF para guy telling a guy from the para regiment that they're equals is a funny one. You clearly aren't in the British armed forces if you don't know why that is.

Lemming

cruasder777 wrote: »

Tell me, if RAF Regiment Paras do the same selection course to be a Para as the Parachute Regiment, why they are not equal ?

As I am sure you are no doubt aware, anyone who wants to become parachute qualified in the BA has to go through P coy (sf not withstanding).

You guys should not believe everything written on the BA craphat forum, arrse. Alot of the posters on there are simply projecting their own failure and futility, their lives wasted as craphats.

You do realise in using that term, you are insulting anyone who has not earned a maroon lid. Have you earned the right to use that term? Have you successfully earned the right to a maroon lid?

John Mongo

So RAF Regiments are like the Para's and Royal Marine's, they seem pretty Tier 2.

Then ya have the RIR, who are totes Tier 3.


So many tiers, so little time...

John Mongo

Can't believe a Youtube link of a show put together by the History Channel was used to prove a point either.

That's gotta be a first for this forum?

cruasder777

Lemming wrote: »

As I am sure you are no doubt aware, anyone who wants to become parachute qualified in the BA has to go through P coy (sf not withstanding).



You do realise in using that term, you are insulting anyone who has not earned a maroon lid. Have you earned the right to use that term? Have you successfully earned the right to a maroon lid?

Yes.

cruasder777

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Here's a little tid bit for you: EVERYONE who does p company has to pass the same standards. And anyone can go for it. Whether your REME, RLC etc

It's not just limited to the RAF and the Parachute Regiment.

And here's another bit of information for youonly a small few in the RAF regiment does p company. The actual fitness standards are the same as the Army 10:30 mile and a half as well as push ups and sit-ups. That information is on the RAFs own website.

And the idea of a RAF para guy telling a guy from the para regiment that they're equals is a funny one. You clearly aren't in the British armed forces if you don't know why that is.

The RAF do their own in house version of P coy, its also run for 21/23 SAS.

Its recently changed, it was previously 9.45.


The army infantry test is 11.30.

pablomakaveli

cruasder777 wrote: »

The RAF do their own in house version of P coy, its also run for 21/23 SAS.

Its recently changed, it was previously 9.45.


The army infantry test is 11.30.

No it's 10:30. If i have to pass in 10:30 you can be damn sure the infantry regiments do as well.

And i seriously doubt your even in the armed forces let alone completing p-company.

cruasder777

pablomakaveli wrote: »

No it's 10:30. If i have to pass in 10:30 you can be damn sure the infantry regiments do as well.

And i seriously doubt your even in the armed forces let alone completing p-company.

Shocking, its now actually 12.45 for army infantry.


Parachute Regiment - Run Time 09.40
Parachute Regiment (Junior) – Run Time 10.00
Parachute Regiment (TA) – Run Time 10.30

Infantry – Run Time 12.45


http://armyfitnesstest.co.uk/training-guide/soldier-fitness-tests/

Lemming

cruasder777 wrote: »

Yes.

Yes what?

Yes, You are aware that anyone wishing to become parachute certified is required to pass P Coy?

or yes, you have successfully earned the right to wear a maroon lid?

cruasder777

Lemming wrote: »

Yes what?

Yes, You are aware that anyone wishing to become parachute certified is required to pass P Coy?

or yes, you have successfully earned the right to wear a maroon lid?

Both.

pablomakaveli

cruasder777 wrote: »

Shocking, its now actually 12.45 for army infantry.


Parachute Regiment - Run Time 09.40
Parachute Regiment (Junior) – Run Time 10.00
Parachute Regiment (TA) – Run Time 10.30

Infantry – Run Time 12.45


http://armyfitnesstest.co.uk/training-guide/soldier-fitness-tests/

Try telling that to the PTIs. It says the Royal Artillery has to run in over 13:15. I can tell you now its under 10:30 or fail for all the artillery regiments bar 29 and 7 who have to run it in under 9:30 being specialist regiments. If the artillery have to come in under 10:30 then you can be sure the infantry are as well.

Also i'd love to know how you earned your maroon lid. Probably bought one over the internet ill bet.

cruasder777

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Try telling that to the PTIs. It says the Royal Artillery has to run in over 13:15. I can tell you now its under 10:30 or fail for all the artillery regiments bar 29 and 7 who have to run it in under 9:30 being specialist regiments. If the artillery have to come in under 10:30 then you can be sure the infantry are as well.

Also i'd love to know how you earned your maroon lid. Probably bought one over the internet ill bet.

You dont know what you are talking about.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9823312/Army-has-dropped-fitness-standards-to-allow-more-women-to-join.html


Army 'has dropped fitness standards to allow more women to join'
Fitness standards for British Army recruits including men have been reduced so that more women can join and equality targets can be met, it has been claimed.

tac foley

I find it all very odd - this post, I mean, from 'cruasder'. He blithely throws around epithet such as 'craphats' [Parachute Regiment term for anybody not a member of the Parachute Regiment]and 'pongos' [Royal Marines term of endearment for anybody in the Army], and generally gives a reasonable impression of somebody who knows what he is writing about. However, the use of such descriptive terms of mild abuse are only suffered by one soldier talking about another, and his syntax is not quite right for a serving or former member of the Armed Forces of the Crown.

'Army infantry'?

Johnny Foreigner has naval infantry, but the British have only the Royal Navy's Royal Marines

Post #25 is total sh1te. P Company is P Company is P Company, and EVERYBODY in all three elements of the British Armed Forces has to do it to get badged with para wings.

The RAF Regiment have an 'In house version of P Company'? In your dreams, sunshine.

Now, he claims to have earned the much-coveted maroon beret.

Much of Mr cruasder's posts appear to be nothing more than quotes, either from various on-line articles or newspapers............hmmmmmmmmmm.

Let's see how much further this thread goes, eh?

tac

pablomakaveli

cruasder777 wrote: »

You dont know what you are talking about.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9823312/Army-has-dropped-fitness-standards-to-allow-more-women-to-join.html


Army 'has dropped fitness standards to allow more women to join'
Fitness standards for British Army recruits including men have been reduced so that more women can join and equality targets can be met, it has been claimed.

Well unlike you i am in the British Army and i do know what im talking about.

Women have a couple of more minutes to complete their mile and a half time. But it's a minimum of 10:30 for males under 30.

It's 44 push ups in 2 minutes and 50 sit ups in two minutes for both genders.

So are you going to tell me about getting your maroon lid?

cruasder777

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Well unlike you i am in the British Army and i do know what im talking about.

Women have a couple of more minutes to complete their mile and a half time. But it's a minimum of 10:30 for males under 30.

It's 44 push ups in 2 minutes and 50 sit ups in two minutes for both genders.

So are you going to tell me about getting your maroon lid?

Ok lets have it your way, the Major quoted is wrong, fitness standards are not going down.

cruasder777

tac foley wrote: »

I find it all very odd - this post, I mean, from 'cruasder'. He blithely throws around epithet such as 'craphats' [Parachute Regiment term for anybody not a member of the Parachute Regiment]and 'pongos' [Royal Marines term of endearment for anybody in the Army], and generally gives a reasonable impression of somebody who knows what he is writing about. However, the use of such descriptive terms of mild abuse are only suffered by one soldier talking about another, and his syntax is not quite right for a serving or former member of the Armed Forces of the Crown.

'Army infantry'?

Johnny Foreigner has naval infantry, but the British have only the Royal Navy's Royal Marines

Post #25 is total sh1te. P Company is P Company is P Company, and EVERYBODY in all three elements of the British Armed Forces has to do it to get badged with para wings.

The RAF Regiment have an 'In house version of P Company'? In your dreams, sunshine.

Now, he claims to have earned the much-coveted maroon beret.

Much of Mr cruasder's posts appear to be nothing more than quotes, either from various on-line articles or newspapers............hmmmmmmmmmm.

Let's see how much further this thread goes, eh?

tac

For someone who claims to have gone from private to Lt Colonel you seem seriously out of the loop.


You are denying the RAF Regiment run their own version of P company ? Its called pre para selection, SAS bods also do it before P coy.


The RMs are officially termed amphibious infantry for your info.

pablomakaveli

cruasder777 wrote: »

Ok lets have it your way, the Major quoted is wrong, fitness standards are not going down.

She never said they have but rather she's worried they will. The required standard hasn't changed since i joined.

I've told you what those standards are and yet you seem to think newspaper and internet articles are better sources of information than people who are actually serving or have served.

cruasder777

pablomakaveli wrote: »

She never said they have but rather she's worried they will. The required standard hasn't changed since i joined.

I've told you what those standards are and yet you seem to think newspaper and internet articles are better sources of information than people who are actually serving or have served.

25 years ago infantry men had to do a 10 mile fully loaded battle march on 2 consequtive days with 55lbs of kit.

The 1.5 mile run was done in boots, the time was 9.30.

Now its in trainers and 12.30, the battle march is 6 miles with 40lbs of kit.

pablomakaveli

cruasder777 wrote: »

25 years ago infantry men had to do a 10 mile fully loaded battle march on 2 consequtive days with 55lbs of kit.

The 1.5 mile run was done in boots, the time was 9.30.

Now its in trainers and 12.30, the battle march is 6 miles with 40lbs of kit.

You've been told the mile and a half is a minimum of under 10:30 for males under thirty. Several times.

The AFT is 8 miles over 2 hours with the weight dependent on cap badge.

I've noticed in another thread on this forum youve been ducking questions about what military experience you have as well.

You know its in the charter thread that making false claims is a ban right?

cruasder777

pablomakaveli wrote: »

You've been told the mile and a half is a minimum of under 10:30 for males under thirty. Several times.

The AFT is 8 miles over 2 hours with the weight dependent on cap badge.

I've noticed in another thread on this forum youve been ducking questions about what military experience you have as well.

You know its in the charter thread that making false claims is a ban right?

Not on MOD sites only in your mind.

I havent ducked anything, I dont have anything to prove.

pablomakaveli

cruasder777 wrote: »

Not on MOD sites only in your mind.

I havent ducked anything, I dont have anything to prove.

Right i'm done with this thread. You're either a troll or mentally ill since you seem to think you know better than people actually serving or who have served in the British forces.

tac foley

Well, Mr cruasder, you've certainly stirred up the pot with your near-legendary ability to cull the tabloid newspapers for evidence to support your ridiculous propositions. Y'see, unlike your self, I can be found on the requisite page of every edition of the Army List between 1984 [commissioned] and 2000 [retired], and on the honours/awards/past CIs wall of my last unit.

I, too. will now join my former Brother-in-Arms, pablomakaveli, and quit this increasingly Kafka-esque thread.

Meanwhile, keep taking the medications, and I hope that your mental health issues are resolved in a way that -

1. Brings a lessening of the torment and anguish that you feel for failing to get your way.

2. Brings you back to Planet Reality.

Have a great day, eh?

tac

discus

This thread and cruasader are bringing this whole forum into disrepute. Laters

davetherave

cruasder777 wrote: »

Not on MOD sites only in your mind.

I havent ducked anything, I dont have anything to prove.

Look at page 5 on this booklet that is on army.mod.uk

It clearly states that for the the minimum standard is 44 pushups, 50 situps and 1.5 miles in 10:30.
This is the standard for those(Males, under 30) that are in not those that want to join up. When you are joining up the different cap badges have different standards.

cruasder777

tac foley wrote: »

Well, Mr cruasder, you've certainly stirred up the pot with your near-legendary ability to cull the tabloid newspapers for evidence to support your ridiculous propositions. Y'see, unlike your self, I can be found on the requisite page of every edition of the Army List between 1984 [commissioned] and 2000 [retired], and on the honours/awards/past CIs wall of my last unit.

I, too. will now join my former Brother-in-Arms, pablomakaveli, and quit this increasingly Kafka-esque thread.

Meanwhile, keep taking the medications, and I hope that your mental health issues are resolved in a way that -

1. Brings a lessening of the torment and anguish that you feel for failing to get your way.

2. Brings you back to Planet Reality.

Have a great day, eh?

tac

You claim to have been a Lt Col, what Regiment or battalion did you command ?

The Daily Telegraph is not a Tabloid by the way, infact being a Lt Col, I would have through it would have been required reading.

discus

cruasder777 wrote: »

Potential RAF Regiment Gunners need to score higher on the Barb test,(hence why RAF Reg gunners dont sound thick as alot of pongos do), pre recruit fitness standards are the same as the Parachute Regiment (1.5 miles in under 9mins 45secs etc),

From the RAF regiment website:

http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/applicationzone/fitnesstests.cfm

Note:

To pass you will need to meet the following:
Males
AGE 2.4 Km Run (1.5 Mile) 10:30
Press-Ups 20
Sit-Ups 35

NAAAAILLLSS

SPPL

I have done some research into the RAF regiment they seem to be an unusual unit and everyone seems to slag them off.

I suppose my first thought was why have an RAF regiment and im not sure i have the answer yet? Apart from the normal unsubstantiated waffle.

If they are so bad why has the MOD included them with other elite units in the SFSG, again i dont seem to have a credible answer yet? Is it politics ? seems odd if it is.

As for training i would say from the reserach i have done its at least equal to Infantry training at Catterick and i dont belive they do any final exercise in a hanger i think thats probably chinese whispers.

With regards to there role it seems a pretty dull one nothing glamourous at all about them.

Military competitions- from what i have seen they are normally near the tops if not the top in military competitions, (they have great sucess at Cambrian patrol and sniper competitions) - so again why are they so hated

Only interested in facts not interested in mindless slagging off or so and so told me bla bla bla, if anyone can help and give a sensible reply then i would be grateful.

tac foley

The RAF Regiment is NOT part of SF, not way back when, not now and not in the future.

The problem with many members of the RAF Regiment is that they firmly believe that they are an elite, somehow 'special' organisation.

They do a great of job of being the RAF Regiment, but neither jump to work, nor operate in isolation as combat troops. Their role, as I'm sure you have read, is principally defensive, and not offensive.

'Walting' members of the RAF Regiment are responsible for their bad press among those us in the Army and RM - taken for what they are, they are a great bunch of lads.

Horses for courses, Sir.

An RAF Regiment Gunner telling a Royal Marine that they are equal in any way will have just one result. You'd be very lucky to recognise the Gunner as a human being.

tac

SPPL

Thanks for the reply Tac.

Though if they are in the SFSG and the SFSG are part of uk special forces then you have confused me somewhat.

My main concern is that i have asked the same question on a couple of other forums and kind of got similar answers, but no one has answered the basic ones like why is there an RAF regiment? I have the RAF Regiments answer to this but not the armys or RMs.

Another question is why arent they considered elite when they constantly best other military units in competitions and are part of the SFSG.

I suppose what im trying to say is if people constantly avoid answering the very basic questions im asking then immediatley i start to smell a rat ( a bit like watching David Cameron beling asked and awkward question on the Sunday politics show).

Im not meaning to upset people but if anyone wants to answer the questions with facts then i'm all ears.

tac foley

The RAF Regiment's primary role is the defence of RAF airfields and installations, wherever they are located. They do NOT jump to occupy airfields, or anything else. They are NOT amphibious troops, nor are they ever involved in amphibious operations, or mountain warfare, or arctic warfare troops, or 'balcony jumping, or hostage freeing or counter-terrorism operations, or close protection operators - ALL of which are the purvue of those who ARE either SF, or whose primary roles involves jumping or wading/canoeing/yomping.

That is why they have a basic infantry role and the capacity to shoot down enemy aircraft using missiles.

They are also used in A'stan as camp protection, hence the role of exterior patrolling of the various camps, particularly Bastion.

As far as SFSG is concerned - The SFSG follows the general structure of an infantry battalion; it comprises an HQ company, four rifle companies (referred to as "strike" companies and designated A, B, C and F) and a support company. The SFSG is mainly drawn from 1st Battalion, The Parachute Regiment. The Royal Marines mainly form F Company which specializes in supporting amphibious operations. The RAF Regiment also provide a platoon in one of these companies and Forward Air Controllers to direct close air support.[12] The Support company comprises mortar, sniper and patrol platoons. The Patrol platoon operates vehicles including the Jackal and includes Fire Support Groups which include Parachute Regiment, Royal Artillery and RAF Regiment personnel.

Note the numbers we are talking about here - a platoon is 27 men - NOT the entire RAF Regiment organisation. Those selected after passing P Company, like every other member of the UKAF who wears wings on his shoulder, join this single platoon.

As I noted earlier, there is a real misconception held by many members of the RAF Regiment that they are somehow elite. This is categorically NOT the case. It is the constant referral to this claim of elitism that p!sses off those who really DO fit that description.

IF you join the RAF Regiment, you will be joining in a great bunch of professional soldiers who just happen to be in the RAF, and true, they do do well in competitions. However, they do not do these things in large numbers, like the rest of the Army/RN.

tac

discus

Applied the same thinking to the raf regt eh? You've obviously never met many from either. Nice lads, the raf regt. But hard as nails, they are not.

Edit... lemming has removed his post which compared 1 para to the raf regt.

Great post tac.

Lemming

discus wrote: »

Applied the same thinking to the raf regt eh? You've obviously never met many from either. Nice lads, the raf regt. But hard as nails, they are not.

Discus, I had deleted my post. But to correct you; I was not referring to the RAF regt. as hard as nails just like 1 Para; nor would I consider the two units as being comparable if you will. I phrased the sentence poorly and my apologies for giving you the wrong impression. What I had meant to say was that both units are members of the SFSG; but that does not make either "elite".

I deleted my post because tac got in there with a far, far better and more comprehensive and informed post than my civilian opinion could ever make.,