Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

end of the road

he got a sympathetic jury who believed his sob story, anyway back to the death penalty, has no place here, its 2014 not 1814

on the river

end of the road wrote: »

he got a sympathetic jury who believed his sob story, anyway back to the death penalty, has no place here, its 2014 not 1814

you are missing the point. Nally used the death penalty. the jury rightfully judged in favour of nally because the situation he was in.

therefore in circumstances where you are under threat you have a right to

defend yourself and if needs be kill your attacker.

Piliger

end of the road wrote: »

no, but if they injour or take a life then they have to be locked up as their a danger to society

No they should be rewarded with a medal and freedom of the city.

Piliger

Jumboman wrote: »

Your talking nonsense. Padraig Nally is not a danger to society.

He is a hero. Sound man. Job well done.

end of the road

on the river wrote: »

you are missing the point. Nally used the death penalty. the jury rightfully judged in favour of nally because the situation he was in.

therefore in circumstances where you are under threat you have a right to

defend yourself and if needs be kill your attacker.

no, the right to use reasonable force, killing isn't reasonable force, fact is he got a sympathetic jury who bought his sob story, another one may have convicted him which he should have been, either way i've no sympathy for him or anyone who does what he did, just as trashy as the gangland criminals

Jumboman

end of the road wrote: »

no, the right to use reasonable force, killing isn't reasonable force, fact is he got a sympathetic jury who bought his sob story, another one may have convicted him which he should have been, either way i've no sympathy for him or anyone who does what he did, just as trashy as the gangland criminals

All Mr Nally did was defend him self. Your away with the fairies defending house breakers.

If someone breaks into someones elses house then should expect lethal force to be used against them.

on the river

end of the road wrote: »

no, the right to use reasonable force, killing isn't reasonable force, fact is he got a sympathetic jury who bought his sob story, another one may have convicted him which he should have been, either way i've no sympathy for him or anyone who does what he did, just as trashy as the gangland criminals

i acknowledge what you are saying and yes you are right nobody should be treated like trash.

However as i already said the death penalty should be brought in as a final

punishment for any criminal no matter what class.

in theory everybody is equal under the law.

end of the road

Piliger wrote: »

He is a hero. Sound man. Job well done.

wrong, scumbag, trash, got away with it

on the river

end of the road wrote: »

wrong, scumbag, trash, got away with it

calm down. i understand this is a sensitive issue for you.

Jumboman

end of the road wrote: »

wrong, scumbag, trash, got away with it

How is somebody who defends their home a scumbag ?

end of the road

Jumboman wrote: »

All Mr Nally did was defend him self.

i don't believe that was what he was doing, i believe their was more to it, he told a sob story and was believed

Jumboman wrote: »

If someone breaks into someones elses house then should expect lethal force to be used against them.

no, one is not entitled to use lethal force, allowing them to means the burdlers will bring even more lethal force meaning more people get hurt

end of the road

on the river wrote: »

i acknowledge what you are saying and yes you are right nobody should be treated like trash. everybody is equal under the law.

completely agree

Billy86

on the river wrote: »

The death penalty would solve many of your issues raised.

Nope.

The Jury system would give a fair and unbiased verdict in any murder case.

Nope.

Nope nope nope. "(i) juries formed from all-white jury pools convict black defendants significantly (16 percentage points) more often than white defendants and (ii) this gap in conviction rates is entirely eliminated when the jury pool includes at least one black member." ... "He found that white-on-black killings were more than twice as likely to be found "justified" as white-on-white killings, and more than three times as likely in stand-your-ground states."

Is it just an American issue alone? Nope... "A study published last year by three University of Leiden criminologists of 365 trials at 10 Dutch courts found that "Dutch-looking" Dutch citizens received jail sentences for such offences 11% of the time. "Foreign-looking" Dutch citizens, generally those who appeared to have Middle-Eastern, black, or eastern-European ancestry, received jail sentences 28% of the time. (Actual foreigners who did not speak Dutch received jail sentences more than half the time.)"

shroom007 wrote: »

of course there will still be victims but not ones of repeat offenders.

Nope.

And one more time, because people seem to be trying to ignore it for some reason (I just wonder why...): http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

Jumboman

Billy86 wrote: »

Nope.

Nope.

Nope nope nope. "(i) juries formed from all-white jury pools convict black defendants significantly (16 percentage points) more often than white defendants and (ii) this gap in conviction rates is entirely eliminated when the jury pool includes at least one black member." ... "He found that white-on-black killings were more than twice as likely to be found "justified" as white-on-white killings, and more than three times as likely in stand-your-ground states."

Is it just an American issue alone? Nope... "A study published last year by three University of Leiden criminologists of 365 trials at 10 Dutch courts found that "Dutch-looking" Dutch citizens received jail sentences for such offences 11% of the time. "Foreign-looking" Dutch citizens, generally those who appeared to have Middle-Eastern, black, or eastern-European ancestry, received jail sentences 28% of the time. (Actual foreigners who did not speak Dutch received jail sentences more than half the time.)"

Nope.

And one more time, because people seem to be trying to ignore it for some reason (I just wonder why...): http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

What has that got to do with anything ? some minority groups commit disproportionate amounts of crime compared with the general population. So its only natural they will end up in court.

I dont care what race the person is a scumbag is a scumbag.

It would be great if we had a justice system which acted as a deterrent, public services should be limited and gauged on how someone behaves in society.

There should be prison ships coasting within our waters with our scum, if they go down, well, sh!t floats...

What was the question again...

mrsbyrne

end of the road wrote: »

i don't believe that was what he was doing, i believe their was more to it, he told a sob story and was believed

no, one is not entitled to use lethal force, allowing them to means the burdlers will bring even more lethal force meaning more people get hurt

So, please tell us EOTR, you wake at 5am to find a stranger walking down the stairs with your 5year old in his arms, how do you react?
(This happened near to my home, the perp went on to murder savagely after being released on bail)

Billy86

Jumboman wrote: »

What has that got to do with anything ? some minority groups commit disproportionate amounts of crime compared with the general population. So its only natural they will end up in court.

I dont care what race the person is a scumbag is a scumbag.

Read more carefully. That is not percentage of population brought to court. It is percentage of population found guilty in court. Note the difference with just one black juror vs an all white jury. This concept some have of all juries being noble, unbiased and completely objective has repeatedly been proven utterly false.

And still nobody has responded even once to why there are higher murder rates in states in the US that have the death penalty vs those that don't, consistently and pronounced over at least 20 straight years. Why is that? I must have linked to it 10-15 times in this thread yet not one response room the pro death penalty crowd. Huh.

Jumboman

mrsbyrne wrote: »

So, please tell us EOTR, you wake at 5am to find a stranger walking down the stairs with your 5year old in his arms, how do you react?
(This happened near to my home, the perp went on to murder savagely after being released on bail)

Our freind end of the road would probably make him a cup of tea.

Jumboman

Billy86 wrote: »

Read more carefully. That is not percentage of population brought to court. It is percentage of population found guilty in court. Note the difference with just one black juror vs an all white jury. This concept some have of all juries being noble, unbiased and completely objective has repeatedly been proven utterly false.

As I said certain groups in society commit disproportionate amounts of crime so it follows they will have a higher conviction rate than the mainstream population. Theres nothing unusual about that unless you want to play the minority card.

And still nobody has responded even once to why there are higher murder rates in states in the US that have the death penalty vs those that don't, consistently and pronounced over at least 20 straight years. Why is that? I must have linked to it 10-15 times in this thread yet not one response room the pro death penalty crowd. Huh.

You can get states to come up with anything. The bottom line is that if you put down a rapist they will never rape someone again. Thats not rocket science.

Santa Cruz

end of the road wrote: »

i don't believe that was what he was doing, i believe their was more to it, he told a sob story and was believed

no, one is not entitled to use lethal force, allowing them to means the burdlers will bring even more lethal force meaning more people get hurt

Any reasonable person who read the complete reports on what Nally did knows exactly what happened and how extreme was his reaction. I could not justify his actions. If I woke in the night and heard someone coming up the stairs then if I had a gun I would give a warning. If the criminal didn't retreat then certainly I would fire. But if he is running out the door I wouldn't follow and finish him off on the driveway

Hitchens

A Japanese court has ordered the release of the world's longest-serving death row inmate, saying investigators had probably made up evidence in a murder case that left him behind bars for nearly half a century.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/freedom-for-48year-death-row-man-30130991.html

lucky or what?

osarusan

Hitchens wrote: »

A Japanese court has ordered the release of the world's longest-serving death row inmate, saying investigators had probably made up evidence in a murder case that left him behind bars for nearly half a century.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/freedom-for-48year-death-row-man-30130991.html

lucky or what?

More than 16000 mornings waking up wondering if today is the day he dies.

on the river

Hitchens wrote: »

A Japanese court has ordered the release of the world's longest-serving death row inmate, saying investigators had probably made up evidence in a murder case that left him behind bars for nearly half a century.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/freedom-for-48year-death-row-man-30130991.html

lucky or what?

someone buy that man a pint

Hitchens

osarusan wrote: »

More than 16000 mornings waking up wondering if today is the day he dies.

That's if he even slept in the first place!

mrsbyrne

Jumboman wrote: »

Our freind end of the road would probably make him a cup of tea.

Cant you just see him there "Hmmm this gentleman seems to be attempting to remove my child...now, whats the LOGICAL thing to do. Better not push him down the stairs, he might get hurt and i wouldnt want him to accuse me of using unreasonable force! "Here, sir, I demand that you return my child to me and leave my premises at once, closing the door behind you! At once I say!"LOL

Billy86

Jumboman wrote: »

As I said certain groups in society commit disproportionate amounts of crime so it follows they will have a higher conviction rate than the mainstream population. Theres nothing unusual about that unless you want to play the minority card.

So what you are actually saying is that more white people n America and Dutch people in Holland get wrongly accused than minorities? Riiiiggghhht...

You can get states to come up with anything. The bottom line is that if you put down a rapist they will never rape someone again. Thats not rocket science.

It's also not rocket science that if they know they will be killed, they are more likely to murder their victims to cover up what they have done, and to take other irrational actions like trying to fight their way out even if they know they have no chance of escape. Which leads to higher murder rates.

In fact not only isn't it rocket science, it is factually proven over 20 consecutive years with a wide margin of difference between those with and without the death sentence. Unlike any claims being made that the death sentence will help in any reasonable way, shape or form.

shroom007

"Dundon solicitor to seek Geoghegan conviction review in wake of phone recording controversy"


Brilliant! if this scumbag was already Hung/Gassed/lethal injectioned this would not be an issue,

end of the road

shroom007 wrote: »

"Dundon solicitor to seek Geoghegan conviction review in wake of phone recording controversy"


Brilliant! if this scumbag was already Hung/Gassed/lethal injectioned this would not be an issue,

your right, the tax payer wouldn't end up paying out because someone was executed on an unsafe conviction, brilliant point, oh, wait, sorry they actually would have to pay out, oh, dear, looks like your W R O N G, after all

shroom007

of course they will
the bloody tax payer paid out and will be for the next 100yrs for the greed mongering
of fingers/seanie/drumm and the rest of those cockroaches but we'll never get the chance to hang them fu*kers for sh*tting on the lives of thousands of people

is there a difference

Amirani

shroom007 wrote: »

of course they will
the bloody tax payer paid out and will be for the next 100yrs for the greed mongering
of fingers/seanie/drumm and the rest of those cockroaches but we'll never get the chance to hang them fu*kers for sh*tting on the lives of thousands of people

is there a difference

You want the above three hanged despite them not having been convicted of a crime? On what basis do you think they should be hanged?

shroom007

Pure fu*king Greed/theft/ fraud/and deliberately misleading the fu*kwit government of the day and the equally inept regulator on a grand scale. knowingly landing the Irish people with an enormous debt that was not theirs and fu*cking laughing about in full knowledge that they will face no consequences,

Billy86

shroom007 wrote: »

Pure fu*king Greed/theft/ fraud/and deliberately misleading the fu*kwit government of the day and the equally inept regulator on a grand scale. knowingly landing the Irish people with an enormous debt that was not theirs and fu*cking laughing about in full knowledge that they will face no consequences,

What about a**hole bosses in all businesses who mess about to avoid bonus/commission/holiday/sick pay for their staff? Death for all them too, I suppose?

shroom007 wrote: »

"Dundon solicitor to seek Geoghegan conviction review in wake of phone recording controversy"


Brilliant! if this scumbag was already Hung/Gassed/lethal injectioned this would not be an issue,

And No comment on the Japanese fella, so?

Jumboman

Billy86 wrote: »

So what you are actually saying is that more white people n America and Dutch people in Holland get wrongly accused than minorities? Riiiiggghhht...

It's also not rocket science that if they know they will be killed, they are more likely to murder their victims to cover up what they have done, and to take other irrational actions like trying to fight their way out even if they know they have no chance of escape. Which leads to higher murder rates.

In fact not only isn't it rocket science, it is factually proven over 20 consecutive years with a wide margin of difference between those with and without the death sentence. Unlike any claims being made that the death sentence will help in any reasonable way, shape or form.

You could say the same thing about the rapist scumbag in athlone since he got life anyway he could of killed the girls.

Murder is a lot harder to cover up than rape. There are priests who have raped 100s of people are we suppose to believe they would murder every victim if the death penalty was bought in ?

Jumboman

end of the road wrote: »

no, one is not entitled to use lethal force, allowing them to means the burdlers will bring even more lethal force meaning more people get hurt

You sound like somebody who robs houses or knows people that do it.

9 out of 10 Irish people think Mr Nally is a hero.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Jumboman wrote: »

You sound like somebody who robs houses or knows people that do it.

9 out of 10 Irish people think Mr Nally is a hero.

So a survey was done, then, was it?

Jumboman

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So a survey was done, then, was it?

Yes there was one done on the radio.

on the river

Jumboman wrote: »

You sound like somebody who robs houses or knows people that do it.

9 out of 10 Irish people think Mr Nally is a hero.

Mr Nally did the right thing in the circumstances he was in.

he is more then a hero a legend

Jumboman

on the river wrote: »

Mr Nally did the right thing in the circumstances he was in.

he is more then a hero a legend

He rose to the occasion. Many people in his position would of frozen in fear but not Mr Nally he decided he wasnt going to be a victim and fought back with amazing courage and bravery. He will go down as folk hero.

Its shameful he was never given any official recognition for his public service.

Piliger

Jumboman wrote: »

He rose to the occasion. Many people in his position would of frozen in fear but not Mr Nally he decided he wasnt going to be a victim and fought back with amazing courage and bravery. He will go down as folk hero.

Its shameful he was never given any official recognition for his public service.

Another reason we should have done kind of award system in this country.

end of the road

Jumboman wrote: »

You sound like somebody who robs houses or knows people that do it.

9 out of 10 Irish people think Mr Nally is a hero.

wrong, its not as high as that, 2 or 3 out of 10, and that would be because he shot a traveler

end of the road

on the river wrote: »

Mr Nally did the right thing in the circumstances he was in.

he is more then a hero a legend

wrong, vermin who shot a man because he was a traveler

Piliger

end of the road wrote: »

wrong, its not as high as that, 2 or 3 out of 10, and that would be because he shot a traveler

Nope. I seem to recall it being higher than 9/10.

end of the road

Jumboman wrote: »

He rose to the occasion. Many people in his position would of frozen in fear but not Mr Nally he decided he wasnt going to be a victim and fought back with amazing courage and bravery. He will go down as folk hero.

Its shameful he was never given any official recognition for his public service.

lol, all that made me chuckle

Jumboman

end of the road wrote: »

wrong, vermin who shot a man because he was a traveler

Your talking nonsense how would he have even known he was a traveler ?

The man was in fear of his life and decided to fight back.

Jumboman

Piliger wrote: »

Nope. I seem to recall it being higher than 9/10.

He had MASSIVE support in his home town.

end of the road

Jumboman wrote: »

Your talking nonsense how would he have even known he was a traveler ?

The man was in fear of his life and decided to fight back.

no, he did it for kicks because the man was a traveler, i'm sticking to that so back to the death penalty

end of the road

Jumboman wrote: »

He had MASSIVE support in his home town.

couldn't care a less

Jumboman

end of the road wrote: »

couldn't care a less

Thats democracy for ya. The majority of irish people think hes a great man.

Jumboman

end of the road wrote: »

no, he did it for kicks because the man was a traveler, i'm sticking to that so back to the death penalty

But how did he know he was a traveler can you prove that ?

end of the road

Jumboman wrote: »

Thats democracy for ya. The majority of irish people think hes a great man.

in your opinion, a pole on a troll phone in show on a radio station does not constitute the majority of irish peoples views, he will get support from the traveler haters and a few delusianelests who think they can behave like wild animals but he won't be getting any from me and many others, i won't be changing my opinion on him, now back to the death penalty