New Nissan Leaf from €20,990

NIMAN · 23-03-2014 4:18pm

Yeah just did the Calc, and still coming up as zero VRT.

Jaybor · 23-03-2014 4:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

No VRT on leaf from U.k.

You get a max of 5 k back now so they're not automatically exempt any more.

Anyone unsure can Goto the revenue VRT calculator to check.

It must be over 6 months old and xxx amount of miles or you'll be charged a full 23% vat when you register it at the VRT office.

So whats the xxx amount of miles.
I was thinking if i did get one that it would have less than about 7000 miles.
That still comes up as zero on the vrt website. I have heard stories about people using the vrt website and then when they go in to pay the vrt its thousands more. The website got it wrong.

Jaybor · 23-03-2014 4:27pm

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All U.k cars get the granny cable but afaik not the cable that allows you to plug into ESB public chargers! but join the irishevowners group on Facebook and I'm sure they can advise you on where to get one. Leaf talk.co.uk are very helpful too and may even recommend a dealer to go to, some dealers are even on there and may even get you a good bargain.

I don't know how you'd know if it has the 6.6 kw charger, perhaps it's written in the book in the car , I don't know. But all MK 1.5 have only 3.5 kw charger.

You'd never make money importing leafs, unless you're a dealer maybe.

Well you would certainly need a cable to plug into public charges or fast chargers. Not much use without that.

It just highlights the problems with EV. Buy petrol or diesel car. Fill it up, and drive away. Its not this minefield of chargers and cables and grannies.

23-03-2014 4:42pm

Jaybor wrote: »

So whats the xxx amount of miles.
I was thinking if i did get one that it would have less than about 7000 miles.
That still comes up as zero on the vrt website. I have heard stories about people using the vrt website and then when they go in to pay the vrt its thousands more. The website got it wrong.

There will be a V.A.T charge not VRT if it's less than 6 months old, I don't know about the miles but I think it must be more than 6K miles, again that info is on Revenue.

23-03-2014 4:45pm

Jaybor wrote: »

Well you would certainly need a cable to plug into public charges or fast chargers. Not much use without that.

It just highlights the problems with EV. Buy petrol or diesel car. Fill it up, and drive away. Its not this minefield of chargers and cables and grannies.

Yes I agree and to make it worse for BMW I3 or VW E-Golf users they use a different fast charger called CCS, though all new chargers will have CCS and CHAdeMo for the Leaf/I-mev.

The cable shouldn't be hard to find, though again, the best place to ask about the cable for the public (non fast chargers) is the irishevowners group on facebook.

loinnsigh · 24-03-2014 4:21pm

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Has anyone successfully negotiated money off a new leaf ?

I found Windsor not willing to take as much as a euro off, If I was to do it I'd be looking to not take the 1600 hit in excess mileage. But I doubt they'll budge on that.

loinnsigh wrote: »

Nothing off, but 3 yrs servicing and granny cable on SV. Decent price on my crappy trade-in too so that's kind of a discount. I'm going in to Windsor tomorrow for a final haggle and decide on colour (black or red - leaning towards black). Will report back.

Made my purchase. So I got the granny cable and 3 yrs servicing as agreed previously. Also got the solar spoiler on the SV thrown in. Decided on black. Pick it up next week. Can't wait

BMJD · 24-03-2014 5:29pm

congrats, they look great in black imo

Jaybor · 24-03-2014 9:35pm

I would love to hire one of these for a week.
Is there anywhere who hires them out?

24-03-2014 10:28pm

loinnsigh wrote: »

Made my purchase. So I got the granny cable and 3 yrs servicing as agreed previously. Also got the solar spoiler on the SV thrown in. Decided on black. Pick it up next week. Can't wait

Congrats, best of luck.

Don't forget to create a new thread with your experiences !

Did you get the 6.6 KW charger ?

Gumbo · 24-03-2014 10:42pm

Jaybor wrote: »

I would love to hire one of these for a week.
Is there anywhere who hires them out?

Not that i know of, but some dealers will give you a 24 hour test drive. Huton & Meade in Dublin 15 offered it to me recently.

loinnsigh · 25-03-2014 4:14pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Congrats, best of luck.

Don't forget to create a new thread with your experiences !

Did you get the 6.6 KW charger ?

Didn't get the 6.6kw, was led to believe I wouldn't need it as the majority of my charging will either be home charge or the occasional 30min fast charge. Is this wrong? Should I have gone for the 6.6kw option?

Gumbo · 25-03-2014 4:29pm

loinnsigh wrote: »

Didn't get the 6.6kw, was led to believe I wouldn't need it as the majority of my charging will either be home charge or the occasional 30min fast charge. Is this wrong? Should I have gone for the 6.6kw option?

When i was pricing up mine, i didnt want it, but after researching it, i thought it was worth the extra €900 on paper. You may get a deal on one thats in stock somewhere in the country with it.

k123456 · 25-03-2014 4:44pm

What does the 6KW charger do please

Soarer · 25-03-2014 5:25pm

loinnsigh wrote: »

Made my purchase. So I got the granny cable and 3 yrs servicing as agreed previously. Also got the solar spoiler on the SV thrown in. Decided on black. Pick it up next week. Can't wait

Isn't one of the main selling points of the Leaf that, given there are so few moving parts, servicing is miniscule? Like an annual service is only €150 or something?

Not knocking your purchase like. Well wear.

Scottie99 · 25-03-2014 5:35pm

Soarer wrote: »

Isn't one of the main selling points of the Leaf that, given there are so few moving parts, servicing is miniscule? Like an annual service is only €150 or something?

Not knocking your purchase like. Well wear.

My last service cost me €102

25-03-2014 6:57pm

Scottie99 wrote: »

My last service cost me €102

Service is the wrong word.

Diagnostic check, inspection.

25-03-2014 6:58pm

loinnsigh wrote: »

Didn't get the 6.6kw, was led to believe I wouldn't need it as the majority of my charging will either be home charge or the occasional 30min fast charge. Is this wrong? Should I have gone for the 6.6kw option?

There is no right or wrong, only what best meets your needs.

25-03-2014 7:02pm

k123456 wrote: »

What does the 6KW charger do please

It allows the car to charge twice as fast from home 32 amp capable or public chargers, (non DC fast public chargers)

Hotel evse ( the box on the wall) will most likely be 3.5 kw or 16 amp capable, enough for an over night full charge.

Scottie99 · 25-03-2014 7:18pm

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Service is the wrong word.

Diagnostic check, inspection.

You better tell Nissan this..

25-03-2014 7:57pm

Scottie99 wrote: »

You better tell Nissan this..

lol. I would if they called it a service to me !

loinnsigh · 25-03-2014 11:12pm

Soarer wrote: »

Isn't one of the main selling points of the Leaf that, given there are so few moving parts, servicing is miniscule? Like an annual service is only €150 or something?

Not knocking your purchase like. Well wear.

Cheers, yes he told me the service was about €130 per year so 3 years is worth ~€400.

loinnsigh · 25-03-2014 11:15pm

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It allows the car to charge twice as fast from home 32 amp capable or public chargers, (non DC fast public chargers)

Hotel evse ( the box on the wall) will most likely be 3.5 kw or 16 amp capable, enough for an over night full charge.

That's OK then - I don't think it would be something I would need too often (if at all).

Jaybor · 27-03-2014 8:46pm

Went into windsor motors again today and said im very close to buying the leaf with the offer they made. But I would like a granny charger too and I would like them to let me rent a nissan leaf for a week off them.
They said yes they will throw in a granny charger too, but couldnt rent me a car for the week, so i asked them to give me one for a weekend test drive and they wouldnt do that either.

I was looking at second hand leafs in there too and they are an awful price for second hand. ~Nearly the same as buying one new.

Oh, and the 2015 model is going to have a range of 215Km.
Looks like the current leaf might now be obsolete.

Gumbo · 27-03-2014 8:57pm

Jaybor wrote: »

Went into windsor motors again today and said im very close to buying the leaf with the offer they made. But I would like a granny charger too and I would like them to let me rent a nissan leaf for a week off them.
They said yes they will throw in a granny charger too, but couldnt rent me a car for the week, so i asked them to give me one for a weekend test drive and they wouldnt do that either.

I was looking at second hand leafs in there too and they are an awful price for second hand. ~Nearly the same as buying one new.

Oh, and the 2015 model is going to have a range of 215Km.
Looks like the current leaf might now be obsolete.

Huron and Meade where much more appealing to me. Offered an SVE spec for 24 hours.

2015 might be the year for me to go EV then.

Jaybor · 27-03-2014 9:07pm

kceire wrote: »

Huron and Meade where much more appealing to me. Offered an SVE spec for 24 hours.

2015 might be the year for me to go EV then.

Thanks.
I might try them.

27-03-2014 9:14pm

Jaybor wrote: »

Oh, and the 2015 model is going to have a range of 215Km.
Looks like the current leaf might now be obsolete.

Where did you hear that ? There's all sorts of the "usual" rumours floating about.

The current one was supposed to have 180 kms range on the NEDC,

it's inevitable that Leaf II will have at the very least a real 100 miles range, but I doubt we'll see an improvement by 2017 before the life cycle of the current model expires,

I bet leaf II will either have the same battery, or the same range but a more compact new battery and an "option" of a larger battery for a substantial price, I'm guessing a Leaf with a 40 kwh battery will cost about 35,000 Euro's (after the Grant and VRT )

If I were to give my best guess, I'm guessing the Leaf II will have an (optional) 35 kwh battery for about 3-5 K Euro's extra and continue to ioffer the smaller battery for the same price.

It would be nice to see 35-40 Kwh for the same price but i very much doubt it, though 2017 is still a bit away yet.

Jaybor · 27-03-2014 11:38pm

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Where did you hear that ? There's all sorts of the "usual" rumours floating about.

The current one was supposed to have 180 kms range on the NEDC,

it's inevitable that Leaf II will have at the very least a real 100 miles range, but I doubt we'll see an improvement by 2017 before the life cycle of the current model expires,

I bet leaf II will either have the same battery, or the same range but a more compact new battery and an "option" of a larger battery for a substantial price, I'm guessing a Leaf with a 40 kwh battery will cost about 35,000 Euro's (after the Grant and VRT )

If I were to give my best guess, I'm guessing the Leaf II will have an (optional) 35 kwh battery for about 3-5 K Euro's extra and continue to ioffer the smaller battery for the same price.

It would be nice to see 35-40 Kwh for the same price but i very much doubt it, though 2017 is still a bit away yet.

The salesman let it slip today. €4000 more expansive than the current option too,

28-03-2014 1:32pm

Jaybor wrote: »

The salesman let it slip today. €4000 more expansive than the current option too,

I very much doubt the salesman would know the details of a future model apart from what he read on the internet.

k123456 · 28-03-2014 6:30pm

http://www.thestreet.mobi/story/12554189/1/nissan-to-extend-electric-car-leadership-with-135-mile-leaf.html

28-03-2014 9:04pm

Yes That article has been re-printed on numerous sites in one form or another and for the moment is entirely speculation. Nissan are not going to confirm a much better leaf halfway through it's production cycle.

Remember Nissan Motor Co loose money on every leaf sold because it's sold at a price less than what they can currently make it. But sales volume look good.

The Germans only make electrics because they are told to in order to continue to sell ICE cars, so they have to make the E-Golf/ E-up, I3 etc and suffer a loss and though they are not happy to do it, they do it to ensure they continue to make vast sums of money on ICE cars and make sure their cars can go no further than the Leaf in the hope no one will buy them so they can tell the Government "ha, see, I told you no one wanted to buy electric cars" ! and forget about them and continue to do what they've always done, make ICE cars and not worry about having to re-tool and invest on newer technologies.

When and if Nissan do offer greater range (which is inevitable) and sales explode, then will the rest of the car makers race to mabe better electrics.

I swear that if Nissan had a 130 mile range EV then the Germans would also have one by now.

I certainly wouldn't be buying an E-golf/I3 now because in 2 years (maybe) less Nissan will have a real 100-130 miles.

having said that, if the range of the I3, E-Up, E-Golf and of course Leaf.meets your needs then there isn't much need to spend much extra on carrying a more expensive battery than you need.

VW claim the E-Golf is 30% more efficient than "competitors" I'll believe it when i see it.

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