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Anglo tapes: Criminal Inquiry EU v Ireland

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  • 30-06-2013 5:00pm
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    Seanergy
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    I would like insight into who the Irish people should be petitioning so that a criminal investigation into the Anglo tapes gets under way.

    Should we clean up our own **** with the aid of our guardians or try an Independent European body of inquiry headed up be Eva Joly? Thoughts very welcome.

    Thanks

    Anglo tapes criminal investigation poll: EU v Ireland 3 votes

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    Ask Europe
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    Think_then_talkcol.in.CrCody Pomeray 3 votes
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    johnnyskeleton
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    Seanergy wrote: »
    I would like insight into who the Irish people should be petitioning so that a criminal investigation into the Anglo tapes gets under way.

    Should we clean up our own **** with the aid of our guardians or try an Independent European body of inquiry headed up be Eva Joly? Thoughts very welcome.

    Thanks

    There's no mechanism for eu criminal investigations, and an inquiry isn't going to make much of a difference.


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    sellerbarry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 776 ✭✭✭sellerbarry


    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    There's no mechanism for eu criminal investigations, and an inquiry isn't going to make much of a difference.
    What's that supposed to mean? Isn't going to make much of a difference? I personally would like to see those bankers locked up and i'm sure i'm not alone. It's mindsets like yours that has this country the way it is.


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    ABajaninCork
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    Insight? Hmmm. Not much shown by the Anglo Bankers was there? :rolleyes:

    A criminal investigation is the only way forward. But I doubt that will happen.


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    who_me
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    Personally, I don't want any kind of political input into any investigation/inquiry. If you give the Dáil the power to intervene, you're also giving them the power to obstruct. And let's face it, the Troika were only too willing to insist that the tens of billions in unsecured bondholders debt be foisted onto the Irish taxpayer, so I wouldn't hold my breath for any salvation from outside our borders either.

    I'd just like to see a criminal investigation. I think most of us agree it was morally reprehensible, but of course what's key is was it illegal at the time. I find it very hard to believe it doesn't constitute fraud, and on a massive scale. So to me the question is - is there any police / judicial agency in this country with the financial competence to investigate something of this magnitude? And if so, why hasn't it?

    If the answer is: "the gardaí didn't act because they were under pressure not to" then who's left to trust to pursue this?


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    Seanergy
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    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    There's no mechanism for eu criminal investigations

    Would 50,000 signatures not secure an EU criminal investigation?


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    johnnyskeleton
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    sellerbarry wrote: »
    What's that supposed to mean? Isn't going to make much of a difference? I personally would like to see those bankers locked up and i'm sure i'm not alone. It's mindsets like yours that has this country the way it is.

    In sorry you feel that way but locking people up without due process because of public anger is not democratic, and nothing that was done in the bank guarantee/bailout is worth overthrowing democracy for.


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    johnnyskeleton
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    Seanergy wrote: »
    Would 50,000 signatures not secure an EU criminal investigation?

    No. Why would it? As hullabaloo says, perhaps there is some area of eu law that the rest of us aren't familiar with?


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    Seanergy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    ABajaninCork wrote: »
    Insight? A criminal investigation is the only way forward. But I doubt that will happen.

    I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a criminal investigation to happen, but I would sign a petition calling for a C.I. So the question is who would you like to lead the investigation?


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    NoQuarter
    Registered Users Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭NoQuarter


    sellerbarry wrote: »
    What's that supposed to mean? Isn't going to make much of a difference? I personally would like to see those bankers locked up and i'm sure i'm not alone. It's mindsets like yours that has this country the way it is.

    I don't think you understand what JS was saying. It wont make much of a difference because Dail inquiries are only fact-finding exercises. They dont have the power to impose sanctions. So, in that regard, it won't make much difference.


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    johnnyskeleton
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    http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Want_an_Independent_European_body_of_inquiry_to_investigate_Banking_scandal_in_Ireland_1/?fcRTafb&pv=8

    Is this your petition?


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    Seanergy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Want_an_Independent_European_body_of_inquiry_to_investigate_Banking_scandal_in_Ireland_1/?fcRTafb&pv=8

    Is this your petition?

    No this is not mine and has nothing to do with me. Sean Farrelly has posted on boards and on my fb page. I would like insight into who the Irish people should be petitioning so that a criminal investigation into the Anglo tapes gets under way.


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    Cody Pomeray
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    Ask Europe
    Seanergy you keep returning to this point and ignoring what you're being told.

    A petition has no relationship to a prosecution. People might strongly dislike an action, but it doesn't make that action illegal, or criminal.

    I think there is scope for a prosecution arising out of the tapes, but this has, and will have, nothing to do with a petition.


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    Seanergy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Seanergy you keep returning to this point and ignoring what you're being told.

    A petition has no relationship to a prosecution. People might strongly dislike an action, but it doesn't make that action illegal, or criminal.

    I think there is scope for a prosecution arising out of the tapes, but this has, and will have, nothing to do with a petition.

    Okay so your saying a petition is useless? Is there anyway for the people to take action to ensure a criminal investigation?


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    Seanergy wrote: »
    Okay so your saying a petition is useless? Is there anyway for the people to take action to ensure a criminal investigation?

    No


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    Cody Pomeray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    Ask Europe
    Seanergy wrote: »
    Okay so your saying a petition is useless?
    Precisely.
    Is there anyway for the people to take action to ensure a criminal investigation?
    No. People could make a complaint to the Gardaí, but the only sticky complaints I can think of must be made by the Central Bank itself.


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    Seanergy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Cody Pomeray wrote: »
    Precisely.

    No. People could make a complaint to the Gardaí, but the only sticky complaints I can think of must be made by the Central Bank itself.

    Would singing this petition constitute making a complaint to the Gardaí?

    [IMG]http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/sticky complaints I can think of must be made by the Central Bank itself[/IMG]Screen-shot-2013-07-01-at-6.26.17-PM.png

    And before someone asks I have no affiliation with this petition either. I would love to hear more about sticky complaints regarding Anglo tapes.


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    ABajaninCork
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    Seanergy wrote: »
    Okay so your saying a petition is useless? Is there anyway for the people to take action to ensure a criminal investigation?

    It's a great idea, but I think you're being naive...

    Whatever the Gards do, it won't make a blind bit of difference. The inquiry will be subject to political interference.

    BTW - I just heard Michael Noonan on the news saying there will be sanctions imposed on anyone not co-operating with the inquiry. I had to laugh. There's no way David Drumm and the other guy in Luxembourg are coming back for ANYTHING!! Why should they? And the Irish won't extradite...


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    johnnyskeleton
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    Seanergy wrote: »
    No this is not mine and has nothing to do with me. Sean Farrelly has posted on boards and on my fb page. I would like insight into who the Irish people should be petitioning so that a criminal investigation into the Anglo tapes gets under way.

    If you have evidence of a crime that has been committed, you should report it to the gardai. They can then investigate it.


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