Loves dogs, but hates his job

angelfire9

The OP made me cry

I'd love to add a dog into the loony bin which is my household but hubby won't go for it
We've two rescue kitties and a hyper 2 year old but ill keep working on him

I think I'm too soft to work for a rescue I'd want to bring them all home

I would never buy a dog, if we win the lotto and I get my dream house with a few acres i will be getting a few mutts to run around with outside that's for sure

borderlinemeath

I feel bad that I don't do more. I foster for my local rescue but sometimes dogs need a 'dog free' quiet house for rehabilitation and they don't get that here!

I try to take in emergency cases, and at least with my local rescue when they cry 'emergency' it is one. Dogs found that can't stay with finder due to either no garden/other dogs/kids etc or like last Christmas Eve when they needed emergency foster for a poor little fella that had been knocked down. Otherwise he would have had to spend Christmas/Stephens day in the vets with just routine checks. Everybody would have been up to their back teeth in Christmassy stuff so I took him home.

It's hard not to get attached to the fosters. I got so attached to one I was really hoping a family member would take him but due to timing it just didn't work out. I still miss the little guy:o.

Toulouse

anniehoo wrote: »

I'm in tears again,in a happy way!!! I just found out this scared lady WILL be making it out of the Pound and is going to a rescue on Monday and will be rehabilitated and hopefully be rehomeable. :D:D:D

Thanks to the amazing staff (one great guy in particular,who was let go and is now back.He is as nice to us annoying volunteers as he is to these dogs)."N" you're a legend.

Oh am thrilled to hear he is back, great news!!

syklops

My friend wanted to be a veterinary nurse for as long as I've known her. All through high school thats what she wanted to do. Six years in and she now is looking for something else animal related but not where she is. As she put it, "Putting 3 kittens to sleep on a Monday morning was not what i was expecting". She works in a vets in a big city so she sees every form of mistreated animal. It must be like, loving humans and being a hitman. Or loving cock roaches and being an exterminator.

wolfpawnat

It is the hard side of Veterinary. Sure the vets are the ones getting the syringe and calculating what is needed to euthanise them apparently a lot of those "rescues" guess the dosages or don't use the right drugs, prolonging their pain

It is made harder because they are so cute and scared most of the time.

My partner and I plan to be like an animals old folks home. He has seen too many older animals abandoned at vets because the bills are too high or because they are old. He was in a vets last week, some poor 15 year old cat whose owner abandoned, problems sorted, all he needs is a warm sofa to curl up on in his old age, broke his heart.

syklops

wolfpawnat wrote: »

It is the hard side of Veterinary. Sure the vets are the ones getting the syringe and calculating what is needed to euthanise them apparently a lot of those "rescues" guess the dosages or don't use the right drugs, prolonging their pain

It is made harder because they are so cute and scared most of the time.

My partner and I plan to be like an animals old folks home. He has seen too many older animals abandoned at vets because the bills are too high or because they are old. He was in a vets last week, some poor 15 year old cat whose owner abandoned, problems sorted, all he needs is a warm sofa to curl up on in his old age, broke his heart.

How does someone abandon their 15 year old cat? Makes no sense to me.

DBB

wolfpawnat wrote: »

It is the hard side of Veterinary. Sure the vets are the ones getting the syringe and calculating what is needed to euthanise them apparently a lot of those "rescues" guess the dosages or don't use the right drugs, prolonging their pain

What do you mean when you say that "rescues" are guessing the dosage? Are you saying that they euthanase the animals themselves? :-o

wolfpawnat

sadly yes one was a huge known one. dog was brought to UCD for dissection by vet students. The anatomy lecturer noticed something off and sent it to the pathology dept, wrong meds and wrong dose, poor animal suffered needlessly. huge reports and complaints by the vets in UCD. official enquiries and all. It will be interesting what will be the full report.

I put rescue in "" as I am 90% sure they do have a kill policy. It is one of the big ones.

OldNotWIse

DBB wrote: »

And herein lies a HUGE problem. We have regulated. We brought in the Dog Breeding Establishments Act a couple of years ago.
It was hailed as being the end of puppy farming and irresponsible breeding in Ireland. And it could have been, had the original working group formulating the new legislation been left in its original format. But it was gradually morphed from a genuinely concerned group of people, to a group of breeders, dealers, and people who had no interest in formulating legislation that would put hardship on them, or put them out of business.
And so we ended up with legislation which legalised puppy farming, and allowed back-yard-breeders total exemption from any regulation at all.
The only people who got hit in any meaningful way by this wonderful new legislation were the breeders who were already doing things right.
It's pretty typical of what can happen with animal legislation in Ireland... Those that stand to be most affected manage to wheedle their way in to actually manipulate how that legislation is shaped, so that it's shaped in their favour. Rescue groups, dog welfare and behaviour specialists, concerned vets, barely got a look in.

The dog breeding establishment act was never signed into law. Thanks Coveney.





or am I wrong on that front?

DBB

OldNotWIse wrote: »

The dog breeding establishment act was never signed into law. Thanks Coveney.





or am I wrong on that front?

The commencement order was signed, and the Act therefore was enacted, in late 2011, early 2012.

ETA: signed by Minister Phil Hogan 21/12/2011, for commencement on 01/01/2012
http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/DogControl/News/MainBody,29063,en.htm

DBB

wolfpawnat wrote: »

sadly yes one was a huge known one. dog was brought to UCD for dissection by vet students. The anatomy lecturer noticed something off and sent it to the pathology dept, wrong meds and wrong dose, poor animal suffered needlessly. huge reports and complaints by the vets in UCD. official enquiries and all. It will be interesting what will be the full report.

I put rescue in "" as I am 90% sure they do have a kill policy. It is one of the big ones.

Sweet. Suffering. Jehovah. :-(

OldNotWIse

DBB wrote: »

The commencement order was signed, and the Act therefore was enacted, in late 2011, early 2012.

ETA: signed by Minister Phil Hogan 21/12/2011, for commencement on 01/01/2012
http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/DogControl/News/MainBody,29063,en.htm

I watched an xpose programme about puppy farms on Irish tv recently and they were talking about some Act that is basically ready to go but Coveney wont sign

DBB

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I watched an xpose programme about puppy farms on Irish tv recently and they were talking about some Act that is basically ready to go but Coveney wont sign

It was an old TV3 show that has been rebroadcast several times since it was first made.
I don't remember whether they put a line up on-screen at the end of the show, as they usually do, to reflect the fact that the law is now enacted.

OldNotWIse

DBB wrote: »

It was an old TV3 show that has been rebroadcast several times since it was first made.
I don't remember whether they put a line up on-screen at the end of the show, as they usually do, to reflect the fact that the law is now enacted.

ah ok, thanks

boomerang

Completely illegal and the vet giving them the euthanising agent could lose their licence over it.

OldNotWIse

boomerang wrote: »

Completely illegal and the vet giving them the euthanising agent could lose their licence over it.

Really is something you imagine should be done properly. Its the least they deserve. I remember being at the euthanasia of a cat who wasn't ready to go and it haunts me to this day. Poor thing was clinging on to whoever he could to "stay". I cant explain it but he seemed to know he was dying, and was trying to bring someone with him. Terribly sad, and his cries will never leave my head! We had a terminally ill dog a number of years ago and our vet was amazing with her. He arranged so that we could collect some sedatives from him to give to her at home to relax her, and then he woudl come out to the house after and well...you know...finish her off In the end she rallied and we didnt go through with it, thankfully she went shortly after on her own terms, but the very least I wanted for her was after devoting her life to us, her people, not to die on a table in a surgery, frightened and alone.

I often see people leaving their dog with us because they cant bear to be with them when they are euthanaised and I cant judge them for it but I always think its sad because that is the time when their dog really needs them the most.

The Last Battle

If it should be that I grow frail and weak,
And pain should keep me from my sleep,
Then will you do what must be done,
For this, the last battle, can't be won.

You will be sad I understand,
But don't let grief then stay your hand,
For on this day, more than the rest,
Your love and friendship must stand the test.

We have had so many happy years,
You wouldn't want me to suffer so.
When the time comes, please, let me go.

Take me to where to my needs they'll tend,
Only, stay with me till the end

And hold me firm and speak to me,
Until my eyes no longer see.
I know in time you will agree,
It is a kindness you do to me.

Although my tail its last has waved,
From pain and suffering I have been saved.

Don't grieve that it must be you,
Who has to decide this thing to do;
We've been so close,we two, these years,
Don't let your heart hold any tears.

zenno

It's a very sad story when i read about how people treat mans/womans best friend.

It always makes me angry and sad when people constantly get a pup just for the likes of a christmas gift or birthday present and then when this pup grows up they throw it away as if it was a bit of rubbish, I can never understand these kind of people, and to be honest i don't want to understand them.

My dog below is a rescue dog - Border Collie we brought home from the dogs trust in finglas dublin. Folks working there should remember him as his name was Kelly, and this feller has got to be the friendliest dog i ever came across as he was, and is to this day extremely friendly with all people and kids, i'm still amazed why someone would abandon a beaut like this.

Anyway, here's a few clips of him for those that remember him from the dogs trust finglas Dublin in 2010. He's doing great and spends most of the day in the valley chasing rabbits, but he sometimes still runs away when a fly gets too close to him . They don't call them mans best friend for nothing.

OldNotWIse

^^ Look at the cutie at 0:12!

DBB

boomerang wrote: »

Completely illegal and the vet giving them the euthanising agent could lose their licence over it.

Illegal and wrong on so many different levels, from how the medication was acquired, to its administration, to anyone attempting to do such a procedure without having the proper training etc. Dreadful. Just dreadful.
Oldnotwise, there is not much worse than euthanasing an animal that doesn't want to go... It's horrible, deeply disturbing.

wolfpawnat

Most of chemicals used were not even meant for animals, according to the pharmacology reports, just waste materials.

SillyMangoX

I know this is from an English website but I would imagine it would be much the same, anyone can euthinize an animal but only a vet should have access to the drugs. Taken from the RCVS website

8.1 Euthanasia may be defined as ‘painless killing to relieve suffering’. Veterinary surgeons and veterinary nurses should be aware that these events are often highly emotionally charged. In these circumstances, small actions and/or omissions can take on a disproportionate level of importance. It is recommended that all practice staff involved in euthanasia are fully trained and a planned, rehearsed and coordinated approach is taken.

8.2 Euthanasia is not, in law, an act of veterinary surgery, and may be carried out by anyone provided that it is carried out humanely. No veterinary surgeon is obliged to kill a healthy animal unless required to do so under statutory powers as part of their conditions of employment. Veterinary surgeons do, however, have the privilege of being able to relieve an animal's suffering in this way in appropriate cases.

8.3 Generally, only veterinary surgeons and veterinary nurses acting under their direction and in accordance with Schedule 3 of the Veterinary Surgeons Act, have access to the controlled drugs often used to carry out the euthanasia of animals. An exception to this is the use of Pentobarbitone by RSPCA Inspectors in England and Wales for the euthanasia of wild animals.

boomerang

Dolethal, Euthatal, etc. are legally classified as veterinary practictioner only (VPO) drugs and vets' purchasing, usage and disposal of such drugs are tightly controlled, with a legally required paper trail. Good reasons for this - someone who asks a vet for barbituates to put his dog to sleep could instead use them to kill himself. Or has also happened - he may botch the euthanasia of his animal.

So in this country at least, only a vet may use these drugs to euthanise an animal. They cannot give the drugs to a member of the public to carry out euthanasia - although this DOES happen.

Section 8.2 from UK law you cite probably refers to the use of the captive bolt gun, which the RSPCA were using on dogs until very, very recently, or the shotgun, in the case of horses. IMO only a trained person can euthanise an animal humanely, by whichever means.

It was legal in Ireland until recently for anyone to shoot a greyhound dead. Thankfully with the new regulations on the greyhound industry this is no longer the case, although it still goes on.

SillyMangoX

I remember being told a horror story where a vet gave a well known friend of his a syringe of dolethal to put down his dog that he couldn't get into the car, went into the car park and found the friend dead in his car. I don't know if that actually happened or if it's just an urban myth but still awful. I wonder is there some other place where these people are getting the drugs for euthinasia? I also remember being told there is a guy who was first pretending to be a vet, preforming neutering operations etc, then posing as the dog warden. The one thing none of the vets around could figure out was where the hell he was getting the anaesthetic drugs!

FoxyVixen

I remember hearing of that poser and always wondered what became of him. Think I was in Oz at the time and struggled to find further reports. Do you know what happened?

That's horrible about the guy in the car park, though sounds like an urban myth whispered within the veterinary profession to really highlight the strength of these drugs.

angelfire9

On the subject of putting pets to sleep
We had a cat a few years back that inhaled toxic fumes during our house fire
The vet tried everything induced coma for a week, feeding tubes, no expense spared but she had too much internal damage
Still breaks my heart
I held her in my arms and spoke to her and caressed her while she passed away (have tears in my eyes thinking about it now)
The least we could do was be with her at the end

zenno

I couldn't edit the other video, so i "updated" this video to cheer some of you up, there's always a brighter side, and it feels good when it works out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUxr642SO6w

Pumpkinseeds

What a gorgeous dog. I don't understand why there's so much paranoia about rescue dogs/cats. Most of them end up there due to no fault of their own. But so many potential owners are suspicious.

zenno

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

What a gorgeous dog. I don't understand why there's so much paranoia about rescue dogs/cats. Most of them end up there due to no fault of their own. But so many potential owners are suspicious.

Some people just don't want to be bothered in putting a lot of time into their pet, but when you do go the full hog and treat the dog with respect, you will get a lot more back.

I have seen people that are down, but when they decide to rescue a friend like this, it changes them for life, and only brings good feelings to them both.

I was born with a pup-dog beside me, I will always be with the muts, love them to bits. It's a shame that adults out there in the wild cannot be trained to look after them.